Although I have tried to keep my comments to a minimum, now I see a post that mentions Rudy and his attempted court filings, capitol riots and Trump not accepting what is perceived to be the correct vote count.
All of this was posted by MM and to top it off he had the gall to say " get more voters"
Ist of all I see no reason for MM to beat a dead horse which has been on this forum for what seems like for ever, but he refuses to consider there is always two sides to every debate. If we always agree with those who shout the loudest, then what have we become. Have you noticed in every thread with debate MM always has to have the last word by way of the last post. Amazing that a person feels this way. Most of us say what we have to say and then stop. Not MM he will go one forever
Thus I have decided to add some comments, even though this should be over and done.
Every court that Rudy Giuliani has attempted to convince of voting fraud has ruled against him. I am positive Rudy is convinced fraud occurred but proving such a thing is near impossible and has been impossible, thus far and will likely end that way
Let's assume some body strikes me with a vicious blow from behind and then disappears. There are no witnesses, nor did I see the assailant. Can I go to court and claim bodily harm and make the claim some body did this to me. Of coarse not, even though I know it happened, I can not prove a dog gone thing
Given that we know in some places a ballot was mailed to every voter. We know piles of ballots were placed in the lobby of apartments for people to pick up and vote. We know that several drop boxes were placed in convenient places to drop off your ballot. We know that observation of the counting of ballots was severely restrained to put it mildly
Given the above would it not seem to most people that skull duggery could exist. Not everybody is squeaky clean. We know that. We know that some would do almost any thing to have their person win
However, Trump claims he had the voters and the vote was rigged
Now given how the ballots were handled I think he has a legitimate claim. But you and I know that just because in all appearances, the whole thing seems wrong, the court has no choice but to throw the claim of voter fraud out of court because of no proof.
And that my friends is where Rudy has his problem. He can not get a court to agree on assumptions of fraud
He needs proof, the same way I would need proof of bodily harm. This is the part he can not produce. Now claims by individuals should have carried some weight but apparently not enough. The way the voting was set up and ballot harvesting, is just one apparent fraud, of many possibilities, which most people would think, should have carried weight, but apparently not
We can not continue to beat a dead horse and I am guilty of just such a thing. The courts have ruled and that is the end of that
But I might agree with Trump that he had the voters, he just did not expect the dis honesty that happened. In all fairness he should have expected dishonesty and had a plan to counter such actions
But to say "get more voters" may be debateable
I made a mistake and started a new thread
Please move to the correct thread
Wayne,
Let's go ahead and keep it here, since you changed the topic of the thread back to contesting the election for the umpteenth time that this has been done here and elsewhere.......asserting again that Trump might be right and the election might be stolen from him.
This was the post you were responding too.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/80852/#80884
Once again Wayne, there were more audits, investigations, legal challenges and everything including the kitchen sink and crap filled toilet thrown at contesting the 2020 election and there was not a shred of evidence that Trump won, that the results were not rock solid valid or that democrats used some sort of, still not determined/discovered trick/scheme to generate massive votes to steal the election from Trump.
Stop going to far right sites and listening to Trump if you want to stop being completely bamboozled about this.
This is just a partial list below of corruption COMMITTED BY (related to it)Trump(and his cronies):
mikelindells election tape
11 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Feb. 6, 2021, 8:58 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/65299/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/72115/
By metmike - March 17, 2021, 1:07 p.m.
Wonderful discussion here:
The truth about voter fraud:
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf
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Maricopa audit
Started by wglassfo - July 7, 2021, 9:30 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/72061/
Arizona recount
5 responses |
Started by metmike - June 3, 2021, 5:34 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/70449/
State election officials try to stop election audits
6 responses |
Started by wglassfo - May 26, 2021, 4:22 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/70014/
Arizona Election audit. My favorite story so far.
22 responses |
Started by TimNew - May 21, 2021, 7:30 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69771/
Snake Oil Salesman Mike Lindell
Started by metmike - May 13, 2021, 12:16 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69324/
mikelindells election tape
11 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Feb. 6, 2021, 8:58 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/65299/
Election Fraud in Ga
29 responses |
Started by TimNew - Dec. 5, 2020, 5:14 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62268/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62268/#62292
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62268/#62317
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62268/#62385
oh boy! more vote-switching "evidence"
9 responses |
Started by GunterK - Jan. 4, 2021, 10:02 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63755/
Umm, we have a major problem here: "Trump Pressured GA Secretary of State to 'Find' Votes"
15 responses |
Started by WxFollower - Jan. 3, 2021, 8:28 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63694/
Chart reading and the Election line chart for Wisconsin/Michigan
16 responses |
Started by rockitck - Dec. 27, 2020, 11:23 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63393/
is this where we have come to as a country?
17 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 19, 2020, 8:07 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63002/
forensic analysis of Dominiion software
4 responses |
Started by GunterK - Dec. 15, 2020, 11:02 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62756/
Wisconsin case: Trump side didn't think it was worth calling even a single witness.
2 responses |
Started by WxFollower - Dec. 14, 2020, 3:21 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62730/
Sedition Defined
14 responses |
Started by joj - Dec. 12, 2020, 2:39 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62603/
latest on the election
8 responses |
Started by GunterK - Dec. 12, 2020, 7:46 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62634/
mail in ballots explained again
6 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 13, 2020, 7:40 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62662/
supremes turn back Texas challenge
15 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 11, 2020, 7:31 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62596/
Dominion spokesperson says....
7 responses |
Started by GunterK - Dec. 8, 2020, 8:29 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62426/
Hi Mike
26 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 8, 2020, 12:26 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62389/
Is there a there there
5 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 7, 2020, 4:40 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62373/
the election.... "death by a thousand cuts"
13 responses |
Started by GunterK - Dec. 3, 2020, 1:10 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62128/
more anomolies explained
6 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 6, 2020, 5:18 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62320/
Votes manipulated
22 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 1, 2020, 5:40 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62042/
send all others home and then count the fake ballots?
9 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 3, 2020, 10:35 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62206/
Greetings from Dominion.... all is well
4 responses |
Started by GunterK - Dec. 3, 2020, 11:16 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62142/
Lin Wood Sidney Powell
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 2, 2020, 11:17 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62122/
Fraud or perjury
6 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 2, 2020, 6:58 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62105/
dominion
5 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Dec. 2, 2020, 10:45 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62081/
Georgia GOP Election Official Speaks Out
Started by joj - Dec. 2, 2020, 5:13 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62096/
Chris Krebs Speaks Out
12 responses |
Started by joj - Dec. 1, 2020, 7:05 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62024/
Votes manipulated
22 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 1, 2020, 5:40 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62042/
reasons to wonder about the fruad
12 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Nov. 29, 2020, 8:42 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/61936/
Why this election was a fraud
24 responses |
Started by wglassfo - Nov. 26, 2020, 10:21 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/61803/
Re: Re: Capitol Insurrection News
By metmike - Jan. 27, 2021, 9:55 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/64730/#64841
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/72115/#72145
Arizona clown show continues
2 responses |
Started by metmike - Aug. 23, 2021, 12:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/74108/
Mike Lindell......a complete nut job!
14 responses |
Started by metmike - Aug. 6, 2021, 7:41 p.m.
And in case you want to, once again repeat the same old accusation that this is the same thing as what Mueller did and that I've got TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)
Here is this again.
This was corruption used AGAINST Trump:
Durham finally getting some bad people
12 responses |
Started by metmike - Nov. 9, 2021, 11:42 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77477/
John Durham Grand Jury Indicts Lawyer Whose Firm Represented Democrats in 2016
Started by metmike - Sept. 16, 2021, 8:37 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75018/
More Mueller corruption!
Started by metmike - Sept. 11, 2020, 6:44 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/59031/
FISA report: DOJ watchdog releases findings on Russia probe surveillance Started by metmike - Dec. 9, 2019, 1:12 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/44076/
IG testimony today
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 11, 2019, 5:09 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/44129/
Alan Dershowitz: Stone indictment follows concerning Mueller pattern
This is exactly like what Mueller did for 3 years!
More Mueller corruption!
Started by metmike - Sept. 11, 2020, 6:44 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/59031/
Re: Re: Pardon for Michael Flynn
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/61735/#61805
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/60589/#60599
Reviewing Muellers corruption with facts:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55925/#55961
They got away with this one too:
June 2016: Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton meeting.
And to help you out with the interpretation again:
#2 Trump did not collude with Russia and and did not commit any crimes related to the 2016 election. He did nothing wrong but they tried to frame him.
#1 In 2020, Trump committed crimes and tried to overturn the legit 2020 election, acting diabolically against the Constitution and to trash the most sacred element of our democracy..........the election process and still has over half the republican party bamboozled into thinking the election was stolen from him and that the democrats committed widespread fraud in 2020.
Denying #1 and pretending its the same as #2 is totally delusional but when you leave here and go to Fox or some other far right source that lies to you about it......that's what you'll get.
With Mueller........it was a bunch of corrupt, unsupervised bureaucrats creating their own rules and setting up people to create crimes that didn't exist before the investigation........ALL IN SECRET.
All we here about it that they were out to get Trump and they are the same thing.
Wayne,
I can't believe that Trump did what he did as a president of the United States
Disgracing the office by an extremely wide margin that is 100+ times worse than Watergate and I'm not exaggerating.
But the most incredulous thing about it is that over half the republicans actually fell for it..........and most of them, now are convinced that democrats are widespread cheaters in elections.
Why did he do it?
Look at how many people actually believed him!!
That's exactly why he did it.
HI Mike
I mean no dis respect to you
In fact I would really like to meet you in person
Maybe this truck convoy will explain to those who keep us doing this and that all in the name of pandemic
Maybe if some thing breaks and the border opens up and my foot injury is such we can travel we might stop by on our way to Florida
Any way I don't read what you have posted
I mostly read Zero Hedge and about the activities of your house and senate members
I also keep up to date on SA crops and also what american farmers are doing and thinking
For relaxation I play Texas Poker against real people but no money
"Any way I don't read what you have posted....I mostly read Zero Hedge"
Wayne you sound like a really nice guy and I would love to meet you and interact with you in person. I can tell that you're a good person and am very grateful for all your insightful posting here and consider you a good forum friend.
Lots of other really nice guys like you........in fact tens of millions......are being bamboozled by MISinformation from extremely low credibility sources that state things that they like to read and hear.........THAT ARE NOT TRUE TO BEING BLATANTLY FALSE.
I'm sincerely trying to help you.
Our most important right.........is the right to know the objective truth!
The freedom to make good choices based on the truth and not propaganda. These sources are in the propaganda business stealing people's intelligence.
Because they get things right some of the time, they lure you into believing that they are right all of the time.......and with your captured brain, they are able to push their propaganda, selling it as secrets that you can only get from them.
Alex Jones, Fox commentators and many others do the same thing and there are many tens of millions of others, so you aren't alone.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/
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Wayne,
I can tell that you are a sincere and good person that really wants to do the right thing and to follow the truth.
I challenge you to cast aside these forked tongued MISinformation/propaganda sources, like the one you just gave us or the one from mcfarm earlier and the ones from Gunter....... or at least counter them with something that leads you to authentic truths and improving your mindset to become a better human being.
At the very least, counter the enormous negativity, hatred and MISinformation that they spread with some positives........please.
If you sincerely embrace a fraction of these messages below..........I guarantee you they will enrich your life and help lift you up/add to the quality of your life...........vs the MISinformation creating divisivness and inspiring rage/hatred at the sources like those mentioned previously.
It's actually why I'm here Wayne. I don't get paid for this.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77019/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77019/#79598
Just because I read Zero Hedge doesn't mean I believe everything they print
I image you read a lot about global or planet change but just because you read it doesn't mean you believe all that is printed
Zero Hedge has several articles about finance which I find interesting
Even more interesting is when one person disagrees with a previous article printed some time ago, that is when a person has to do one's own thinking
In other words Powell is going to have 3 maybe 4 rate hikes in 2022
Then perhaps Jamie Dimon comes out and says anything more than 50 bps increase is as much as the economy can stand
Then some body like Warren Buffet says get ready for a 90 % drop in equities
The Jimmy Rodgers says we have lived the soft life longer than expected, get ready for massive inflation And so it goes
Of coarse a rating of very poor will result with so many conflicting predictions At least 90 % will be wrong
But it does force you to think
Occasionally Zero Hedge will wander into politics but that is when I go to the house and senate to find out what people are saying
Even there or public pressers one can only guess how sincere these public statements may be. Remember Hillary???
When Ukraine tells Joe to lower the temp then you have to wonder if Joe has all his marbles
Today's announcement about how horrific a ground war would be to the civilian population
That I can believe