The recount in Georgia was a ballot by ballot hand count with the same result.  Trump lost.  Proof of an absence of fraud.

The baseless farce of the fraud allegations makes no sense when you consider the fact that Dems lost seats in the house and failed to take the senate.  If the election were fraud we would be looking at 52-53 seats for Democrats instead of a long shot run off election for a 50-50 result.

Stop it.  

joj, what good is a recount if signatures are not checked....oh, but you already knew this and conveniently omitted it...what a good and loyal dem you are, the truth means nothing because you hate Trump. One dump they found in PA had over 600,000 ballots. 570,000 for biden and 3200 for Trump. Get over your self and be on the side that wants legal and accurate elections

As I understand some of what happened, the ballots and envelopes were separated. There was no chain of custody and a huge amount of envelopes disappeared That means people could vote multiple times while others were told they had already voted. This was only part of the fraud, but was an important part of the process, as this allowed the Dominion machines to manipulate the results, with no paper trail..

An expert on security fraud testified in PA, the whole chain of custody was a fraud with re-counts being use less

PA state legislature is or has taken back the authority of the state election commission to declare Biden the winner in PA.

Similar fraud happened in other states

I don't have the complete picture yet as the inquiry in PA lasted for 3 1/2 hrs

Both Rudy and Powell have evidence of Dominion machines fraud which forsenics can prove anomalies which are not possible. They even know who manipulated the machines and how, as I understand it. A couple of cyber experts recently retired from the USA armed forces, testified in PA explaining in brief detail how the machines were manipulated. These are not back door garage hackers but experts in the field of cyber security

Things are finally coming to the light of day with evidence the media claimed did not exist

PA was the 1st [as I said above] to make inquiries and take back their authority from the Dem controlled state election commission and I am sure the evidence will continue. Rudy claims to have two whistle blowers but will need subpoena's to protect these people from job loss etc. The Trump team in PA had Dem and Pub testimony, under penalty of perjury, which is a serious crime. Everybody had a small part in the bigger picture and witness testimony was limited, even though the entire PA inquiry took 3 1/2 hrs

This not your typical ballot re-count as Rudy explained, a couple hundred here and 100 over there. This is much more,  most of which is above my pay grade

This is the largest fraud committed in the history of USA elections that is known as of today. I have watched and the media still does not do it's job. However, some print web sites have carried bits and pieces and given the holiday, I am surprised there is any print coverage. They big media may be excused, for a lack of evidence, but, one would think they would give equal weight to both sides. I am as anxious as others to find out more about this election fraud. 

I will stick my neck out and say this election an/or questions ends in the Supreme Court

I wonder if our Canadian elections are safe from fraud???

Just FYI

This reminds me of the movie " The absent minded Professor" of whom made a discovery but nobody believed him even though he tried to make believers of ordinary folks

Today the citizens need confidence in the election process, today and in the future with over whelming proof, punishment of those who are guilty if proven, so there is no chance of repeating election fraud

Let the chips fall where they may and as bear posted. There is a process.

Republican appointed judges in case after case have thrown out these flimsy law suits.

I am reminded of the 1919 false narrative of "the criminals of November".  

77% of Republicans believe these lies.  Never mind that Trump was/is a pathological  liar.  Never mind that Trump said BEFORE the election that if he lost it would be due to a rigged election and that he said it BEFORE the 2016 election too.  They slurp it up.   

It spells trouble.  I fear for our country.

wow want to list all the things Trump has been way more accurate than the media....doubt if this page is big enough because its a long, long, list....just keep throwing crap from the media out there joj and maybe something will stick someday. 

Just the latest. Seems Trump accurately predicted a vaccine and after months of taking crap from who, little Nazi Fauci, the media and their partners the libs looks like he hit it dead on

We did not have all the evidence until just recently

This is not your typical ballot re-count, as the new evidence shows, there is not a paper trail to follow

The Dominion machines are now the center of attention

This was not available in earlier law suits

If you watched  the PA inquiry you would know how the Dominion machines flipped 1000's of votes to Biden, certainly enough for Biden to win a fraudulent voting system

Retired army specialist and fraud and security experts can explain anomalies that are not reasonable or physical possible given the speed the machines can process ballots. In one situation there are 600,000  ballots received with no explanation of where they came from. This fraud was so complicated it took a lot of time to find experts willing to testify, under penalty of perjury, and gather evidence the courts would recognize as acceptable new evidence

Foreign countries watched the tabulation of votes in real time. However, the vote was so over whelming for Trump they were forced to quickly change the vote tabulation which caused these spikes in votes which are not easily explained why Biden received huge numbers in a short span of time. Also, because the ballots were separated from the envelop, this resulted in 1000's of ballots that  should not be counted, as the chain of custody was broken. This break in custody allowed for multiple people voting multiple times, people being told they had already voted when they had not, dead people voting but still the vote was so over whelming for Trump that the machines had to be manipulated with spikes in Biden votes which can not be explained

People were actually filling in votes for Biden on blank ballots, as forsenic evidence shows this happened both by forsenics and observers who thought they could see but the distance was so far, the observer testimony may not be allowed as evidence. 

Dems, both poll workers and observers, also observed anomalies in procedure.  Dems  did testify in PA. that procedure was not followed, thus you can't say this is a pub scam to change the fraudulent vote

This evidence was not complete and available in earlier court law suits

There is also a whistle blower willing to testify, under penalty of perjury

Problem:

Can a court of law over turn the results

Does congress have to decide

Is it too late for a court of law [Supreme Court] to weigh in with a decision, given the time consuming appeals that must be a part of the process

If anybody has 3 1/2 hrs to watch the PA inquiry, you will find a large amount of what happened in this election and you can decide for your self

This is all way above my pay scale.  I may be wrong, thus, you should decide

I understand why you guys are skeptical of the election results............because you don't trust the system and the gate keepers for good reasons.

The Mueller Witch Hunt was based on fake information to get it started and violating the rights of innocent Americans for a political agenda......then was 2.5 years of creating crimes FROM the investigation that never existed before the investigation. We know that with certainty but were told for 2.5 years, while it was happening that it was going to be the smoking gun that showed Trump colluded with Russia and Russia caused Clinton to lose.

Then it came out and we found out how it got started and we know it was a complete fraud. 

So now you think everything in the system is just like that. Rigged against Trump to cause him to lose. 

The problem is that you can't trust any information any more. What is rigged and what is authentic/honest.

When that happens, then you automatically just believe your sources. You believe your bias and you believe things that don't have evidence, thinking that the evidence will come out later.

That's a mistake in this case. The 2020 election is not the Mueller investigation. It wasn't run by a bunch of high level elites/unelected burearocrats with unlimited power that could do what they wanted with impunity  to get Trump.

There were thousands of people who all came together to give us the election results. Almost all of them were honest citizens like you and me, not diabolical schemers with unlimited power.

There was fraud as usual but you will likely find that it was NOT systemic and not big enough for generating anything but a fraction of the votes Trump needs.

Do we know that for sure?

Not quite but the election was over 3 weeks ago. Where is this evidence? There are rewards out for information about fraud, one for 1 million bucks. 

Fraud that would have shifted 100,000+ votes couldn't have been quietly, snuck thru by a couple of tricky people and nobody else noticed. Some of the assertions of how this did take place are absurd. That foreign countries had control of our computers and so on. 

If there was evidence, the side with it would be gushing it out and wanting every person on the planet to see it, to generate as much support possible for their case. Every day that they fail to show evidence is just digging their hole deeper. 

They are just gathering it and waiting until they have accumulated enough to present legally in court???

Yeah, right.

In court that works but this is the real world and they want you to think that but in the court of public opinion, which is the one that counts right now they are totally failing to provide any real substantive evidence to convince anybody with an objective brain.

The only people they are convincing are the ones that want to believe they have tons of evidence they are amassing. 

Trump is once again shooting himself and his legacy in the foot again by taking this current position. 

At the very least, he should be saying something like "If we don't have the evidence in time, before the electors vote, then I will concede"

The truth is that if they don't have the evidence by then, they wouldn't have the evidence if we gave them another year.

Sadly, Trump could continue to squawk about how the election was stolen from him for the rest of his life but don't forget, Hillary Clinton did the same thing but she was smart enough to say it tactfully with verbiage that can't be proven wrong so easily and the MSM backs her.

Trump on the other hand says outrageous things. Exaggerates and tells lies that can be easily proven even about things that he might be right on. So most people never know when to believe him or not.

If you love him.........you believe everything.

If you hate him....you don't believe anything.

On the election results, I suggest that you don't believe anything, even if he gets a few things right(that don't make a difference) and stop getting your hopes up. 

Wayne,

You said that the evidence was released in your first post. Where is it? I can't find it..I WILL recognize that evidence the minute that I see it.

600,000 votes in a "glitch" with 3200 for Trump, and 570,000 for Biden, That is in one instant, in one county, in one state. I was not born yesterday. That is a huge number.

Biden got more black votes than Obama? Really? Even a half crazed lib with 200% TDS would not believe such nonsense.

Biden got 87% of the Black vote.

Obama got 93%.

Regardless of my opinion on this, your views are widely held by many Trump supporters and its great if you want to express them here. 

Not only that, you will probably be the first ones to post  real substantive evidence of fraud that could change the results of the election..........if it was out there.

look joj if you  want to talk percent's fine, play you little game but will have to include the fact that Trump got a higher % of black and latinos by far than any recent repub...so there , feel better now?

I think mcfarm mentioned this but it needs to be repeated 1.9 million ballots printed

2.5 voted and counted

As I understand the decision 2.5 million ballots count as legit ballots

I really hope our country does not try anything similar to this kind of election

Just asking if anybody knows your system

If Biden accepts the transition information or is elected President

Is Biden required to confirm no conflict of interest with a foreign power

If Biden does have a conflict, either today or some body finds evidence at a later date is this not a problem from a natn'l security view point

Was this conflict of interest not the basis for the Mueller investigation and impeachment trial???

Given Joe's denial of any conflict, he will take the oath and be sworn in, but it does open the door for an investigation

Perhaps some body can help me, understand your system better

I also wonder if Joe is sworn in then he accepts and swears the election was a fair election, when he takes the oath of  office?? or does he just take the word of others that the election was fair

Where does the buck stop???

At this stage of the game [so to speak] with allegations and law suits, the country certainly will not be united

 Until if/when it is proven in court, widespread election fraud taking the win away from Trump didn't happen. Not guilty until proven guilty. Same as was the case for Justice Kavanaugh. It isn't guilty until proven not guilty. I'm still waiting for proof but am not holdingmy breath. So, we're still no closer to it being proven as Trump's side has lost numerous cases so far. Until then (if that ever gets here). it is all just a bunch of talk, wild speculation, and dreaming. Like a winter storm showing up late in wx model runs, it is the equivalent of Saturday morning cartoons vs reality until if and when proven.

"I think mcfarm mentioned this but it needs to be repeated 1.9 million ballots printed

2.5 voted and counted

As I understand the decision 2.5 million ballots count as legit ballots"

That would definitely be major fraud. So where is it please?

I'm pretty good at doing searches/research/detective work on the internet but just can't find this.

Help me out with a source or link so that I can evaluate your information objectively.

It's in everybody's best interest (including yours) for us to have sources for information like this so that we can establish credibility and determine whether the information is reliable or not.

Thanks much for helping if you can. 

Wayne,

It's not up to Joe Biden to determine if the election was fair or not. There are countless other people that make that determination, including judges in the various states, recounts and things like that.

President elect Biden only reacts and responds to/accepts legal certifications and Constitutionally determined outcomes in front of him. 

If those were wrong, it would not be his fault and he would not be held accountable. The law is based on them, so we assume that they are right..........unless somebody(s) proves otherwise. Those somebody(s) who disagree are given plenty of opportunity to present their case legally and with evidence to show what they have. Trump doing this currently is totally his right and he is not violating the Constitution by appealing the outcomes of the election in several states.

The mistake that current President Trump is making relates to the above. HE is one person with his opinion that carries 0 weighting in the court of law. What he thinks doesn't matter because the laws, Constitution and evidence count 100%.

If he can't use those legal means afforded him to prove his case............he loses the case. It's just that simple.

Making allegations about cheating and fraud that are not proven, don't count. Otherwise, anybody could allege anything that they wanted.

Losing fair and square based on the rules above is a loss.............even if you don't like the rules. In this case, the rules are not rigged against Trump. Don't believe that. He is being given opportunities to prove his case.

If he ends up losing but still claims that he won, it would be like the red football team playing the blue football team and the BLUE team winning by a touchdown in a close game in the last minute of the 4th quarter.

Then,  instead of the red team conceding defeat, they claimed that the blue team cheated and paid the refs to make a bunch of bad calls to help the blue team in the last 5 minutes. 

Turns out, there were a bunch of penalties on the red team in the last 5 minutes, so the commissioner opens up an investigation and looks at all the replays. The replays all show the refs made the right calls and the red team just made too many mistakes which cost them the game at the end.

Then, the red team refuses to accept this and continues to insist the game was rigged for the blue team to win.

If Trumps legal challenges fail, then he needs to concede because he lost by all legal and objective standards based on rules that were applied to both sides.

Not conceding has nothing but downside for everybody, especially his legacy.

Trump has said over and over he will {when the time comes} concede. Why would he concede prematurely just to satisfy a press corps that has tried to ruin him for years? Where do you get this information about not conceding? He said it gain just yesterday at a press conference in answering a very rude, obnoxious reporter. Why didn't some brave reporter stand up and ask why Joe Biden was advised to never concede?

MM

The best I can do is refer you to the PA inquiry with the Trump team presenting testimony from witnesses

It is a long video and may not be available now on any media source

It was a long 3 1/2 hr investigation but I am sure Rudy brought up those numbers. Not many people have 3 1/2 hrs. but I watched the whole inquiry plus the introduction by the media anchor who was explaining and mostly filling in dead time until the inquiry officially started

I would estimate I watched a total 4 hrs

Sorry Mike that is the best I can do.

"Trump has said over and over he will {when the time comes} concede."

Trump Challenges Biden: Prove Votes Were Not Illegally Obtained to Enter White House

By Janita Kan

November 27, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-challenges-biden-prove-votes-were-not-illegally-obtained-to-enter-white-house_3594840.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-27-5

President Donald Trump said on Friday that Democratic nominee Joe Biden can only enter the White House as the next commander-in-chief if he is able to prove votes were not “fraudulently or illegally obtained.”

“Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous ‘80,000,000 votes’ were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!” Trump wrote in a Twitter post.

The post is the latest indication that Trump is not giving up his efforts to challenge the results of the 2020 general election in several battleground states. The Trump campaign is facing an uphill battle in its legal challenges filed in Pennsylvania and Michigan aimed at protecting the integrity and accuracy of elections. The campaign has also expressed support for lawsuits filed in other battleground states challenging the Nov. 3 results.

MM Your question about information/link

I did a goggle "PA voting inquiry"  on my Windows platform

It's a long 3 1/2 hrs plus the anchor introduction, mostly to fill dead  air time until the inquiry got started

You will find the  Trump Team list of PA voting irregularities presented to the PA state legislature, mostly by witnesses some Dem and a lot of Pub poll watchers

Also some info about the Dominion voting machines

It's a long video but worth the time

Thanks Wayne,

I just can't find anything that shows anything of substance from PA that would affect  the outcome of the election or the video that you are referring to. 

Somebody must be convinced  of voter fraud

The state legislature is attempting to take back the authority they gave the PA election commission

The legislature admits it will be a struggle to get the support needed  to assume their legislative responsibility

https://ugetube.com/watch/live-pennsylvania-state-legislatureholds.

This is 3 1/2 hrs but skip to when proceedings actually start

 After some effort I got my wife to help with this link

I will keep on with the links and try to learn

My wife says my memory is gone and I am trying to memorize instead of using logic

I will try to find a link to the legislative efforts

Will be good practice if I can find it

MM

I went immediately to the link after submit etc. and opened the thread, to see if my efforts worked and got a 404 error on that link

We will try some thing else my wife thinks will help

I got the link to work after some effort but on second try it went hay wire

Patience

Will keep trying to make the link work

Judge: Republicans Will Likely Win Pennsylvania Election Lawsuit

https://www.theepochtimes.com/judge-republicans-will-likely-win-pennsylvania-election-lawsuit_3596477.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-28-1