Chris Krebs Speaks Out
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Started by joj - Dec. 1, 2020, 7:05 a.m.

A life long Republican who was appointed by Trump, unanimously approved by the senate, to protect Cyber Security against vote fraud (as well as other national Security systems) speaks definitively about all the "issues" put forth by Trump and his minions.  

Watch the interview here:  Powerful.

Trump is doing real damage to US democracy.  Not my words.  HIS!!!

By mcfarm - Dec. 1, 2020, 7:28 a.m.
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that interview is as "powerful" as a Mr Rogers episode. This guy should be able to document any number of things and instead is asked Biden type questions. Might as well ask him "how are you holding up"? Now with the number of strange anomalies already found with more coming he sits there and repeats "most secure election" well dude, either he is desperately stupid, off his meds, or hiding some deep dark secrets. 

By TimNew - Dec. 1, 2020, 8:56 a.m.
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Couple observations.

The entire effort on 60 minutes part was to debunk the claims made by the Trump team.  There was zero effort to put forth an unbiased presentation.  

Also,  they claimed that without a doubt there was no malfuntion in the systems, yet we know for a fact that in one district in Michigan, 6,000 votes were flipped from Trump to Biden.   They were later corrected,  but it continues to affect my confidence in the system, further exacerbated by their intentional "glossing over" of a known fact in this report.  Why did it not bear mention in this "unbiased" reporting?

I remain with more questions than answers tho I am nearly certain how this will all turn out.

By joj - Dec. 1, 2020, 1:25 p.m.
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Paper ballots are the proof of the legitimacy of this election.  Hand recounts revealing nearly identical results.

Or... You can believe the guy who’s been lying to you daily for the past five years.

By mcfarm - Dec. 1, 2020, 1:55 p.m.
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for the 3rd and final time. What are you talking about? without verifying signatures nothing matters, you can count til the cows come and then crow how you got the same numbers. Very similar to most all the fraud, Rule changes without state legislatures at the last moment. State legislatures are where the rules are made and enforced for a reason...Local control and control by the people.  Can you not even say the words and ask the question why are there so many anomalies with this election.

By joj - Dec. 1, 2020, 5:19 p.m.
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AG Barr says no fraud worth a mention.

I expect that won’t get much attention from the Trump cult.

By mcfarm - Dec. 1, 2020, 5:41 p.m.
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well that would absolutely be your finding.....if you did no investigation wouldn't it? holy crap...and by the way, to most of us, any fraud from anyone is worth more than a mention, its worth prosecution to the full extent of the law

By metmike - Dec. 1, 2020, 6:57 p.m.
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Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election, disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims. 

Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,.”

The comments, which drew immediate criticism from Trump attorneys, were especially notable coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voting could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

More to Trump’s liking, Barr revealed in the AP interview that in October he had appointed U.S. Attorney John Durham as a special counsel, giving the prosecutor the authority to continue to investigate the origins of the Trump-Russia probe after Biden takes over and making it difficult to fire him. Biden hasn’t said would he might do with the investigation, and his transition team didn’t comment Tuesday. 

Trump has long railed against the investigation into whether his 2016 campaign was coordinating with Russia, but he and Republican allies had hoped the results would be delivered before the 2020 election and would help sway voters. So far, there has been only one criminal case, a guilty plea from a former FBI lawyer to a single false statement charge."

metmike: Barr has been very unfairly portrayed as a political hack for President Trump since he was appointed. His main problem was that the truth sometimes supported Trump and when he told that truth, Trump's enemies attacked Barr for it. 

A perfect example of his integrity/objectivity was this decision to appoint Durham as a special counsel, in October, before the election so that he can continue his investigation. He intentionally witheld that information because he didn't want it to influence the election. And we haven't been getting leaks of information from his office about the investigation that would have benefited Trump, similar to what defines the other side when they want to vilify Trump. 

Bill Barr has always been a very honest man loaded with integrity and people that already knew that are not surprised at his statements today. 

By TimNew - Dec. 1, 2020, 10:48 p.m.
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JOJ,  you feel that the 60 Minutes piece was an unbiased and objective  presentation of facts with no apparent agenda and that the documented malfunction of voting machines  in the disctrict in Michigan had no place in a discussion that included claims that the machines worked flawlessly. 

Duly noted.

By metmike - Dec. 1, 2020, 11:38 p.m.
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Very sadly, unbiased and objective presentations that tell both sides are almost nonexistent today in news coverage, social media and elsewhere.

It even defines our climate science, which is not even about climate science. It's politics that intentionally hijacked climate science, even rewrote climate history for a political agenda. 

And it's really working.

It took over 3 decades of being wrong to convince people there is a climate crisis.

How can that be?

They have been repeating the same things over and over and over and even constantly saying that its worse than they thought(as the planet greens up from the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years during this climate optimum and them been completely wrong about a crisis)  and after awhile of hearing this repeatedly for 30 years, people have come to believe it.

I love this example:

None of this ever happened but they have just continued to keep telling us that it will, year after year. All the gatekeepers and news sources told us the science is settled/debate  is over, censor objective scientists like me and only tell us things like the article above. Now, most people believe it and its paved the way, using the Climate Accord and Green New Deal to impose their socialism/Marism on us. 

This is how the Mueller investigation worked too. For 2.5 years, all we heard about were the crimes that Trump committed, how he colluded with Russia and how Russia caused him to win and Hillary to lose.  It was a big lie but hanging that narrative out there and repeating it every day for 2.5 years, stuck in peoples heads so they believed it. When the Mueller report came out and showed that Trump did NOT collude with Russia, many people did not believe it and still don't believe it today. 

Once you believe something, even if its wrong, it takes 20 times more information, to convince you that you are wrong and that often isn't enough. Because of cognitive bias, and sometimes, brainwashes,  your brain has defined what is wrong and right based on what you think that you know. If you think that it's right, even if its wrong, then its gets stored in your brain as knowledge. If it contradicts what you think that you know, it get discarded because your brain tells you its bogus. 

So thats also whats happening now with the results of this election.

Trump and company have provided no substantive evidence that anything close to enough votes were changed or manufactured to get him even close to Biden. They have continued to get shot down in the courts and recounts and all the measures that count.

But they continue repeating the same narrative that the election was stolen and their was widespread fraud............over and over and over. Like with the Mueller investigation and results of the 2016, that were spun to make people think  thatTrump won fraudulently, the other side, this time wants their followers to think that Biden won because of fraud.

I'm quite confident that this Biden stole the election narrative will continue indefinitely. The longer it goes on, the less likely people are that believe it to see anything to change their minds.

Never mind that there was never any substantive evidence to prove what they think just got repeated so many times for so long (like the fake climate crisis scare and Trump colluding with Russia) that people who wanted to believe it initially(those most vulnerable) will hear is so many times that there never has to be any real evidence for them to believe it permanently.

The mind is an amazing thing.

Why do companies and businesses spend billions of dollars on tv commercials? Very often, the advertisements will have nothing to do with the performance of the product but are just very the Aflac Duck or a Caveman. 

What the heck does a caveman or duck have to do with good insurance?

Not a dang thing. What they do have is the ability to cause you to remember the name of that company, when you see that commercial over and over and over. 

They could be the worlds crummiest insurance but your mind has been tricked to remember their name from repetition and when it comes time to picking insurance, you are familiar with their name vs a bunch of unfamiliar names that didn't have catchy commercial or advertising slogans and you pick them. 

Same way with selling false narratives repeated over and over to sink in.

1. Trump colluded with Russia and Russia interfered in the election and caused him to win.

2. CO2 is pollution and its causing a climate crisis.

3. And the latest one, Biden stole the election because of fraudulent mail in ballots/counting and machines that were programmed with an algorithm from a corrupt company. 

All those things are clearly and indisputably false(with #3 on course for that) Yet, massive numbers of people believe those statements to be true. 

By TimNew - Dec. 2, 2020, 6:25 a.m.
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1 and 3 are different from 2.  

For #2,  Climate Crisis hoax, all the data needed is available via easily observable metrics.  They are simply not honestly presented, but are available for anyone willing to take the time to research.

#1, The Russian Colusion hoax and #3, The Biden Stole The Election hoax are similar, with some differences..   

The Russian collusion hoax was investigated using millions of dollars and millions of hours. But there could be data there that has not been observed. Possibly some interesting coincidence, but nothing of substance. And of course, for the most part, the MSM does not accurately present the available data. The Turner/Sondland exchange during the hearings was glossed over. The media presented Sondland's testimoney as "damning" even after Turner evicerated him..  One of dozens of examples.

No where near the same level of effort has been made in examining the election and the media is again remiss in their coverage.  Did you know we just got a court order in Ga preventing election officials from bleaching the election data?  Lots of oddities like this are hapening all over the country,  but are not being examined.  So,  while we have no damning evidence,  I think it's quite possible there is a lot of evidence out there that remains to be seen.  And with Biden at the helm, any efforts to continue discovery are likely to end.

By mcfarm - Dec. 2, 2020, 7:14 a.m.
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MM did you just compare companys spending billion to modern day news coverage? And then wonder why after 4 weeks we still have few damning facts? You think big media is freely and fairly covering anything lately?

By metmike - Dec. 2, 2020, 12:33 p.m.
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Those things are quite different in many respects but my point was to use those as examples of repeating something over and over and over..........until people get it in there heads(like with tv advertisements). They begin to accept it after awhile. 

mcfarm's statement makes that point:

"And then wonder why after 4 weeks we still have few damning facts?"

For 4 weeks, we've heard these same damning facts and same speculation with no major/substantive evidence to back them up..................long enough for many people to assume there must be something there because their facts have not been DISproven(when it should be the other way around-the proof MUST come from those claiming fraud) and long enough for some people, because of 4 weeks of repetition so that their brains accept speculation/assertions as facts.

Don't confuse the above statement with one of whether there was fraud or not, which is what your response did. I am talking about cognitive bias and human nature and how peoples brains respond to repetition of a fact over a long period of time. 

This is brainwash 101 theory. 

If you believed it initially, the longer it gets repeated, the stronger the belief will become in your head and the harder it will be to displace it because your mind will continually accept information that seems to confirm it as knowledge to be stored and information that contradicts it gets rejected because your brain sees that as bogus.

After awhile, it becomes impossible for you to be objective.

This can even work if you didn't believe it initially. 

I am telling you without question that this indisputable reality of human behavior is kicking in with gusto with regards to the results of this past election.

The same can be said about the other side. They have already decided with 100% certainty that there could not have been enough fraud to cause Biden to win and Trump to lose and 4 weeks of hearing that from every source out there makes it a done deal and it would be impossible for them to believe anything that showed otherwise. 

Here is the deal on that. It's always easy to see somebody else's bias, when its the opposite of yours. Thats why you see the other side shrugging off evidence that you think is huge as being a bias. Them, not wanting to get to the bottom of this fraud, in your opinion, displays their bias.  I would agree on that. If you wanted Biden to win, you became biased on the potential fraud issue. 

My position is to just look at the facts/evidence. After 4 weeks, there is a compelling story to be told to the objective mind.