You guys are not going to wish away the truth. This was the most secure election in history and Mike Lindell proved that he's a huge deceitful snake.
The only thing being learned here is from metmike appreciating, after seeing the reaction of Trump supporters.......... why all the tv advertisers spend billions of dollars every year, selling crap products because gullible people want to believe what they hear on tv.
In this case, no truth that I state and proof is ever going to change any minds of active posters about anything, no matter how indisputable the evidence/facts but maybe a few lurkers with objective brains will process it with open minds.
Related threads:
By metmike - March 17, 2021, 1:07 p.m.
Wonderful discussion here:
The truth about voter fraud:
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/The%20Truth%20About%20Voter%20Fraud.pdf
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Re: Re: Capitol Insurrection News
By metmike - Jan. 27, 2021, 9:55 p.m.
In the "Most secure election in history", Georgia's Fulton County election officials have no idea how many absentee ballots were printed, mailed out or recieved while there was no verification of signatures.
Georgia's Sec of State, Brad Raffensburg, one of the orginaters of the statement "Most Secure..." etc has now stated that there must be firings before anyone can have any confidence in Fulton County elections ever again. Seems he's not as confident as he once was about the "security" of this election.
But I am glad to see you remain steadfast MM.
More theoretical and speculated and unproven fraud Tim.
Maybe I should change that to, most secure based on authentic facts and evidence but most fraudulent based on entirely unproven allegations(almost all proven false) and speculated, potential fraud that might have happened.
The ironic thing about this, is that you guys have insisted that there is 100 times more fraud than the evidence you've provided and metmike has PROVEN 10 times more fraud than all you guys put together.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71813/#71816
It's now 7 months after the election and I will continue to ask for PROVEN fraud, based on objective and the legal definition of proof, not the same speculation of things that COULD have led to fraud or things that show small potatoes fraud that, not only do I acknowledge, I showed you tons of it already-so please don't get into trying to MIS characterizing me as somebody not looking-I've been looking closer than all you guys combined at the facts, you guys just read about it on your favorite link/source and believe what they say because its what you want to hear.
We still have not received any proof of widespread, major fraud from you guys.
You can't show it because none of your sources trying to capture the minds of republicans can show it.
That's all you guys are. People reading articles at your favorite sites telling you what to think.
Stop letting these places steal your intelligence. Be independent thinkers. Do your own research with objective minds using critical thinking.
Break free from the Trump hypnosis.
You easily see the other side being brainwashed exactly like this and think its abhorrent. Be outraged that your side is targeting you guys and doing the exact same thing, using propaganda to capture your brains!
Trump didn't target democrats with this crapola.............he used it entirely on republicans that continue to trust and support him, no matter how big the lies.
Here's the other thing.
The election was NOT run by unelected bureaucrats like those that conducted the hugely fraudulent Mueller report to target and obliterate Trump.
Because they did this to Trump is no more evidence that the election was corrupt than if the National Football League owners got busted colluding and doing something illegal and claiming that means the National Hockey League must have done the same thing...........with ZERO evidence and all the circumstances being totally different.
The people running the elections, were 100% different in every way shape and form than those that work for the corrupt DOJ or Intel departments that targeted Trump.
They are also totally different than the MSM that reports on Trump with massive bias.
They are totally different than the democrats in Congress.
People that run elections are more like you and me, patriotic citizens involved in the vote counting process, many as volunteers doing their civic duties.
Imposing an automatic assumption that they are all corrupt because the entities mentioned above(completely different than them) are corrupt is total BS, fed to you by BS sources, like this one.
Unelected bureaucrats (in the DOJ/Intel depart) are part of the swamp. Big government is job security for them. Democrats represent big government.
They were NOT responsible for the results of this election.
Seeing corruption of one entity does not mean that every unrelated entity must be corrupt.....if you don't like the outcome of the results in which the unrelated entity played a hand in.
They were independent.
holy gee if one state finally admits what looks to be a problem what comes next. Sort of like old Comey, Meuller, or Linda what's her face from the IRS after months of lies, deception, half truths a crack in the damn might lead to a flood. Might not but for years we have been down a dark dangerous road by these crooks and every dog has his day. As I stated years ago in regard to this comey, clapper, deep state deal that if they are crooked enough to try this seems under proper pressure they will turn on each other. Thanks for the help MSM's, academia and all the rest that just buried this crap.
Trump’s legal team had 100s of sworn affidavits of people who had witnessed “irregularities” during the election process.
There were also computer experts who wanted to dig into the voting software, to expose the issue of “vote switching”.
Yet, somehow, puff, all this stuff disappeared… nothing ever came from it.
No wonder then, that Trump’s fight is now called “the big lie”
However, the article posted by mcfarm and cutworm, gives at least an explanation why none of this alleged evidence made it to court.
Since we live in an era where the mob rules, none of the judges wanted to take any chances. Take on a Trump case and find actual fraud?…. and then have your house burned down?… no way. I fully understand the judges’ refusal to look at any of the evidence.
Can you imaging what the mob would have done, had Trump won the election? They were prepared to burn everything down… Jan 6 and the riots of 2020 would have looked like a picnic.
On the other hand… metmike is also right…
When we look at the despicable efforts of the DNC during the 2016 election ( the paid-for scandalous fake news items, the involvement of the intelligence community and the FBI, etc) , as well as the fake-news, manipulative efforts throughout the last few years to discredit Trump, we should not look at the individual citizen of the Left as a villain.
Just because a person registered with the Democratic Party, does not make him a villain.
It’s the politicians who divide the country… it’s the politicians of the Left who encourage increased violence and rioting….and most of all, it’s the MSM.
While the Left and their MSM portray themselves as purveyors of Truth and “Fact”… and while they paint the other side as “fake news’, “conspiracy theorists”, who are “manipulating” us to accept a “false reality”, one has to wonder if the other side doesn’t present a more realistic reality.
My grampa was a gentle giant of a man, hands as big as dinner plates. He died when I was a teenager. When he retired from operating “The ranch” as it was known around here he took up raising turkeys and sheep.
I must have been around 12-13 years old helping him with cutting lambs and did something that caused me to get run over and went *ss over appetite, spitting dirt and a little blood when I got up.
He used a phrase I have found appropriate many times since: “Stupid should hurt.”
Oh if that could be universally applied.
Stupid does hurt. But a lot of people don't know how bad they've been hurt.
There is plenty of evidence that the last election had issues. But keep bleating "Most secure election in history", no matter what the facts indicate. I've watched very closely here in Ga. It was a mess. But let's wait for the audit to complete. I suspect I'll have the right to say "haa ha haa ha Hee Hee" to the "Most secure.." folks. Maybe I will. But it won't be necassary.
MM, did you read the twitter account that Cutworm linked? I would truly enjoy reading your rebuttal of any of the points made. A year ago you agreed with most of them, right here on the forum. I saw it. Everyone did.
My favorite "evidence" so far was liinked right here. A poor Michigan state senator had done an "exhaustive" anslysis and found nothing. The article described him as "salt of the earth hard workin farmer folk." He'd decided there weas no reason for a forensic audit. Of course, we know that had he recomended a forensic audit, the same author would have depicted him as a dumb hick farmer. Tthat's what the nedia does these days.
Anyway, he had a long list of vulnerabilities for potential fraud in the system and he's taking steps to eliminate them. But, he conluded that there was no reason to think that anyone would ever take advantage of those bleeding gaps. How very reasonable. As we know, the democrats were entirely ethical and stuck to the rule of law during the last 5 years. They always have. right? How silly to look into the possibilbities.
But, oddly enough, every attempt at forensic audits is met with a massive assault by democrats through the media and legal avenues. Odd, Huh?
Suppose we had a group that insisted on legislation that Unicorns could never use public transit. Since Unicorns don't exist, why would anyone mount a massive and expensve effort to block the legislation? That would seem at least as silly as the legislation, wouldn't it?
But gosh darn it, if Unicorns exist, they have every damn right to ride public transportation, Right?
Objective and honest people will see the humor and maybe even be a little concerned.
BTW MM. That Fulton county has no idea how many absetnee ballots were printed, mailed or received is an absolutely proven and documented fact as was the fact that the signatures on the unknown ballots were not verified. These are FACTS in your "most secure election in history".
I've been asking for proof for 7 months and this is what you give me:
"Fulton county has no idea how many absetnee ballots were printed, mailed or received is an absolutely proven and documented fact as was the fact that the signatures on the unknown ballots were not verified. These are FACTS in your "most secure election in history". "
Seriously, this is your proof?
After 7 months???
Here's the authentic proof that there WAS no significant fraud in GA(AGAIN), where you guys have been insisting there was fraud based on continually proven wrong speculation and false allegations:
Fact check:Georgia military, overseas ballots not evidence of election fraud
Since President Joe Biden beat incumbent Donald Trump in Georgia by more than 12,000 votes, the state has been a hot spot for misinformation about election fraud. But three separate audits found no evidence of wrongdoing affecting the state's election results — and the review mentioned in the post hasn't even started yet.
The Georgia secretary of state's office has audited the state's election results three times. None of those audits turned up evidence of widespread fraud.
"Our law enforcement officers and secretary of state's office spent literally thousands of hours examining ballots in Fulton County and other counties trying to track these kinds of claims down, and so far we've seen nothing give any merit to it," Gabriel Sterling, the Republican chief operating officer and chief financial officer for the Georgia secretary of state's office, said in a recent interview with CNN."
"Amero’s ruling prompted a blistering statement from Robb Pitts, chairman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners, who called on “this whole circus” to end. Georgia officials have already conducted three audits of the 2020 election ballots, including a hand recount, which produced no evidence of widespread fraud.
“This lawsuit is the result of meritless claims and the Big Lie. The votes have been counted three times, including a hand recount, and no evidence of widespread fraud was found,” Pitts said.
“Last year, I told President Trump and others who push the Big Lie to ‘put up or shut up.’ It’s been six months and still no proof of wrongdoing has been produced. Enough is enough — this whole circus must end,” Pitts added."
metmike: Let me guess. They didn't find fraud because..............it's being covered up again (-:
Every time they find no fraud, which is almost EVERY time, the response from the delusional gang is that "it's covered up". Every time a court dismisses a silly lawsuit because its frivolous with no evidence to support it.............."it's being covered up"
The DG then insists there was widespread fraud and that dozens of investigation that did not find any fraud......... were all covering it up. They accept the results of no investigations that proved no fraud. Only the ones proving fraud are accepted............which means NONE of them.
Their minds are completely incapable of seeing the authentic truth which I have shown here many dozens of times and busted EVERY SINGLE allegation, some of the same ones many times.
If doesn't matter. They keep going to the extreme right conspiracy theory sites selling the big lie and telling them what they want to read/hear and believe it entirely. Trump continues to sell it and they believe him instead of the truth.
"Trump’s legal team had 100s of sworn affidavits of people who had witnessed “irregularities” during the election process.
There were also computer experts who wanted to dig into the voting software, to expose the issue of “vote switching”.
Yet, somehow, puff, all this stuff disappeared… nothing ever came from it."
Riiiight Gunter,
We are supposed to believe that they had all the evidence and the only reason that you can't show it is because it all got censored or destroyed and covered up and no republicans anywhere or Trump or the Trump team is showing it now because they all had their brains wiped clean by some magical drug so nobody remembers any of it.
"MM, did you read the twitter account that Cutworm linked? I would truly enjoy reading your rebuttal of any of the points made. A year ago you agreed with most of them, right here on the forum. I saw it. Everyone did."
Tim,
I already totally rebutted the guy earlier. Read it over.
I've been agreeing with those points constantly up to this minute. What the heck does that have to do with the election other than you guys insisting that since the swamp and MSM were out to get Trump, it means that an entirely different group doing the election must have committed fraud too because............Trump can never lose unless people out to get him caused it.
He is invincible and no way could people have voted him out legitimately. It just had to be fraud that caused it.
He would never lie about it either, nor would dozens of others because only the dems, MSM and swamp(DOJ/Intel agencies lie).
So now this is your position? Because there was fraud against Trump previously, the election must have also been rigged?
Never mind all the false allegations proven to be false and there still not being any proof, just speculation and theories and made up stuff. It just had to be stolen and then covered up because the other side lied and covered up other things.
If Joe Blow robbed different banks on 5 different occasions, then a 6th bank was robbed it just had to be him.
Never mind that he has absolute proof of where he was with video and a dozen witnesses backing him up..........since this is the type of thing that Joe Blow would do.............he needs to be charged and convicted based on him having done that sort of thing before.
None of this below has 1 iota worth of importance in determining the facts of the election last year.
The delusional gang just can't tell the difference between the events below and the election because their sources want them to think there is no difference. Stop going to these fake news sites filling your heads with propaganda if you want to have brains that can think critically and see the truth.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71953/#71963
Hunter back in the news
9 responses |
Started by metmike - July 3, 2021, 3:25 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71953/
More smoking gun evidence on Bidens
78 responses | 1046 likes
Started by metmike - Oct. 14, 2020, 7:39 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/60077/
Re: Re: Hunter back in the news
By metmike - July 3, 2021, 10:45 a.m.
"mcfarmer,
I'm sure that you watch with jaw dropping shock as tens of millions of republicans were convinced to believe that the election was stolen from Trump because their party affiliation and cognitive bias worked together to sabotage their objectively and critical thinking, along with the powerful communication technologies that allowed the gate keepers of the trusted sources to broadcast messages which captured their minds.
Republicans all believe their side is right on everything and the other side is wrong. I'm sure that you can agree on this..........right?
Even as your side does the exact same thing and your mind is just as captured by democrats doing the EXACT same thing............only with the assistance of the MSM intel/DOJ in many realms, part of the unelected bureaucrats which thrive on a big government because that is job security for them. You've maybe heard the expression "Deep State" to describe them.
Both sides readily recognize it when the other side falls for the brain washing but are totally unable to see themselves falling for the exact same brain washing by their side.
The Mueller investigation, one side feels was totally justified(because it favored their side and targeted Trump) even though all the authentic facts show that it got started with fraudulent evidence, then pretended to be after justice(looking for evidence of Trump colluding with Russia), realized there was none early on..........but persisted for another 2 years, creating their own crimes from the investigation and allowing the investigation to be the source for the dems and MSM to make daily headline totally fake news of Trump being a traitor, colluding with Russia and they knew the entire time it was fake, while they totally wasted tax payer money trying to bring down Trump...........as the intel, that has no regulatory investigating entities that objectively oversee them..............when they do get investigated........just destroy and doctor evidence and this is totally accepted because the investigators are often in cahoots with the investigated.
If I'm giving an opinion here, I will usually try to distinguish that from a fact. This is not just my opinion.........it's a fact"
More Mueller corruption!
Started by metmike - Sept. 11, 2020, 6:44 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/59031/
FISA report: DOJ watchdog releases findings on Russia probe surveillance Started by metmike - Dec. 9, 2019, 1:12 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/44076/
IG testimony today
Started by wglassfo - Dec. 11, 2019, 5:09 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/44129/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71034/#71207
metmike:This is mind boggling, watching/reading so many people, acting like they've been hypnotized so that they can only believe things that Trump says and the far right positions.
I thought it was pretty bad when the other side captured the minds of those people but this tops all of that........and then some.
As I have said dozens of times, what I am showing is potential for fraud. A potential that has not yet been verified one way of the other. A potential for a massive level of invalid votes/ballots. Reasons for looking much more closely. And for some reason, many on the left have put forth massive efforts to fight those efforts, constantly. Through the media and the courts. Why would they care? Hence, my Unicorn on public transit analogy.
Now I know you've already made up your mind that the Arizona audit is a joke and no matter what they present, you'll reject it. Ten thousand pre-printed ballots with the same signature? Obvious fraud on the part of the auditors. Right? After all, they had <GASP> Blue Pens!!!!
I have not watched Arizona as closely as I have watched Ga in general and Fulton County in particular and even the once stoic sec of state has shown a little less confidence than he once did. Much less, actually. There were too many irregularities to ignore and a thorough audit is taking place as we speak. They are being very quiet about it and, quite frankly, I have no idea what they are finding. But I have strong suspicions they will find a lot. We'll see.. But I wonder.. Will you dismiss those results as well, should they show fraud? I will rest my case one way or the other in Ga based on the results. But I will never agree that we don't need to tighten up voter id requirements, particularly the grossly loose requirements illegally implemented due to Covid, prior to the last election.
I keep hearing that people like me, with doubts about the election are the dastardly result of Trump's concerted efforts to destroy the nation, but that's simply not the case. I dismissed Trump's claims long before Jan 6th and his speech on the 6th sealed the deal, for me. The counts were accurate enough. There were lots of audits on the counts that showed the ballots were counted correctly I have, and continue to question the validity of the ballots.
And it's not Trump's words that have sown the seeds of doubt. It's the events of the last 5 years or so. Not only the ruthless and illegal prosecution of Trump and any associate. Not only the complicity of the MSM. Not only the lack of repercussion for what is now known as ilegal actions. But also the total lack of response to all that is Hunter and likely Joe himself, that has been totally sand bagged and S#!T canned. This system is broke and I don't trust it any more.
You say that the election was run by people like you and me, and that is in part true. Do you know how many of those people like you and me issued sworn statements to irregularities that were also S#!T Canned? I actually personally know some of these people. I don't know that they are right, but I know they believe they are and I think their statements deserve more than a cursory glance.
Do you know the efforts of Stacy Abrams and her crew? I have paid a lot of attention in Ga and there are too many questions that have not been answered. Too many questions to not be at least a little suspicious. And I sincerely doubt that Ga is Unique. I'll wait for the results of the audit to draw final conslusions, but until then, I'll have strong suspicions. If you don't, you are not paying enough attention.
BTW, if Joe Blow robbed 6 banks and a 7th bank was robbed, I'd sure want to know where Joe Blow was during the robbery.
metmike said: "More theoretical and speculated and unproven fraud Tim.
Maybe I should change that to, most secure based on authentic facts and evidence but most fraudulent based on entirely unproven allegations(almost all proven false) and speculated, potential fraud that might have happened."
Tim says: "As I have said dozens of times, what I am showing is potential for fraud. A potential that has not yet been verified one way of the other."
metmike: Sounds as close as its going to get on agreeing about this aspect.
And since I've looked for and found more than 10 times more fraud than everybody else combined here, I don't want this "nobody is looking for fraud hard enough and thats why they can't find it" crapola/false narrative pushed again.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71813/#71816
So I was thinking about this more very early this morning based on how this particular thread got started and it seems pretty clear how they are brainwashing the rest of you guys into thinking the election was stolen.
The original link still has exactly 0(zero) evidence of any fraud in the election but I was asked to read it over as if I missed the obvious proof. So I read it over several times. Not a shred of legit evidence in there by any standards.
Why would these guys be so convinced that no evidence is powerful evidence, I thought?
It's because your dishonest sources are taking fraudulent things that DID happen to Trump and there WAS proof of, caused by corrupt people..........the DOJ, Intelligence community, MSM and democrats and convincing you that this means the election must have been corrupted in similar fashion by people out to get Trump.
This is 100% false!!!!
The election was run by a totally different group of people. Many were patriotic Americans, volunteering their time to do their civic duty for the democratic process to work.
The election workers were NOT all diabolical people, putting themselves in a position to alter the results. Unlike you extremely angry guys bitching about the job they did, they were sincere, altruistic people volunteering their valuable time for our democracy, while you guys spend your time in the comfort of your home reading bs on far right sites that totally lie about what they did and why they did it.
It had zero to do with any of the crap that happened to try to obliterate Trump previously.
It was all about the American people speaking with their votes using the American democracy and Americans playing a key role in the outcome.
This stolen election bs is the most anti American, anti Constitution lie in the history of our country.
You should be outraged................at the people that have targeted you with the big lie for their political agenda. They have stolen your intelligence with propaganda for their self serving political agenda.
They deserve to be exposed, not elevated. They deserve to be shunned not admired.
If there were true justice, they would get life in prison for the unprecedented damage that they have done to this country and the people in it the last 7 months.
The saddest thing is that it has turned into a movement for the right.
A movement 100% based on a huge lie that has recruited very patriotic people to do one of the most unpatriotic things in our countries history.
Again, I am your friend, not your adversary. I am all about the objective truths based on verificable authentic facts/evidence/science.
Ironically, the tactic that you clearly recognize being used on the left to convince them of things that are not true has been maximized like never before by the right, to convince you of "The Big Lie".
Somebody else's brainwash is easy to recognize but our subjective viewing of the world establishes a cognitive bias that every human has and makes us vulnerable to a brainwash that, by definition is impossible to recognize.
Storming the capitol is unpatriotic.
Millions of us did not. Millions of us condemned it.
Questioning the results of an election and insisting the results be verified is very far from unpatriotic.
Let;s table this debate until the audits are finished and we know the results.
I wanted to reply to this thread one more time.
I often read that Trump “brainwashed” the members of his “cult’ into believing that the election was “stolen”…. the “Big Lie”!
Speaking for myself, Trump could never ‘brainwash” me into anything! And I don’t belong to any Trump Cult. I believe, many of the people who question the 2020 election, should also not be described in such manner.
Millions of people watched their screens on election day and the following days. Very quickly, the internet was abuzz with people sharing videos and discussing suspicious “irregularities’ they had witnessed. This was before Trump spoke of a “stolen election”
Later, 100s of people provided written affidavits of what they had seen on the ground, on location.
In one of my previous posts I wrote that “puff, all this stuff disappeared”. This was a bad choice of words.
Nothing really “disappeared”… it’s just that Trump’s legal team failed to make their case…. and the voting machine company (which was discussed at length on the internet) somehow was allowed to deny an inspection of their software.
The fact that Trump’s legal team failed to make their case, voids Trump’s attempt to challenge the election, but it does not prove that there was no wrong-doing, it does not make all the observations of suspicious activities “crap” or non-existing.
In conclusion:
Trump lost.
However, It should not be surprising that so many people question this election. Millions of people have not forgotten what they saw.They are not necessarily “brain washed” or belong to a “cult” (and they are not necessarily part of the crowd that made it ugly on Jan 6.)
Add to this the fact that it was later revealed that the voting software was allegedly accessible to outside hackers… and then you have a Congressman coin the phrase “the most secure election in the history of the US” !!!!(which is now being used over and over)
IMHO, I would have to call this statement another “Big Lie”
The Information Age started during the 1970s. The Misinformation Age started in 2020.
The Misinformation Age started in 2020.
I have to assume you are making a joke here, because you can't possibly believe this, right? Misinformation started a long time before 2020.
No, I’m serious. I’m also Larry, but that isn’t important right now. <G> I agree that misinformation started well before 2020. Heck, on the web, itself, it started when it was created. But that didn’t start the Misinformation Age because it wasn’t rampant enough then. Between COVID-19 and the election, misinformation became so rampant in 2020 that that’s why I said the Misinformation Age started in 2020.
This is pretty significant coming from a Trumper and this was said on Hannity:
Alan Dershowitz Says Evidence Suggests 2020 Election 'Wasn't Stolen' from Trump (newsweek.com)
Larry,
I agree that this Big Lie disinformation campaign has easily set new highs(or lows, depending on how you look at it) in disinformation damage in a record period of time for the US.
I've spent much more time on trying to expose the Big Lie in 2021 than any other topic here.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/72115/#72123
But by an extremely wide margin, a couple of orders of magnitude, I've spend MUCH more time showing the truth/exposing the fraud with authentic facts/science and trying to enlighten people on the BIGGEST disinformation campaign in global history...........the hijacking and rewriting of climate science for the political agenda:
Climate Reality discussions-new discussion June 2021
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/