Zelenskyy says the Israel-Hamas war is distracting from Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It is, which benefits Putin.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-gaza-hamas-war-benefit-putin-russia-ukraine-invasion-2023-11

"Though the US has plans to ramp up production of 155mm artillery by 500% over the next two years, the country currently produces just over 14,000 rounds a month, Insider previously reported — which Ukrainian troops can blow through in about two days."

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in a Saturday press conference, said the Israel-Gaza war is "taking away the focus" from Russia's invasion of Ukraine, BBC reported.

While some may bristle at the notion, it is true that incremental updates of the war in Ukraine are no longer front-page news — and that ultimately could be a benefit to Russia, Stephen Walt, professor of international affairs at Harvard and author of the NYT bestseller "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy," told Insider.

Chiefly, he said the issue is one of the United States' and other countries' "bandwidth" to support their allies in wartime."

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"Bandwidth", otherwise known as 

 War PROPAGANDA!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97416/#97496

Previous threads:

                War in Ukraine drags on 9-3-23            

                            69 responses |   

                Started by metmike - Sept. 3, 2023, 11:07 p.m

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/ 

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                Nuclear War            

                            43 responses |      

                Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/

      Ukraine is ready to start process of joining European Union, Commission says      Updated        10:31 AM EST, Wed November 8, 2023  

 https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/world/eu-recommends-ukraine-accession-talks-intl/index.html

          That process could take up to a decade and no one can say with any certainty where Ukraine or the rest of Europe will be politically by that point.            

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Total propaganda with an attempt to blatantly mislead people into thinking that somehow, Ukraine which has already lost the war, which was a battle over whether Ukraine can join NATO or not.......will join the European  Union!

People reading the headline will think some sort of process is starting to make Ukraine part of the EU.

NO! Just the opposite!

The process has already been decided by Ukraine losing the war. There is a 0% chance of Russia agreeing to this.

Now they want to blame the war in the Middle East for fading enthusiasm to support Ukraine.  How about, instead they just face the fact that...........Ukraine lost the war.!!!

Stop sending soldiers on suicide missions for completely lost causes and taking 10s of billions from our debt plagued country to do it.

Strong Truth of this war that Ukraine lost a long time ago with half of their military killed off or permanently disabled. They are blaming the new crisis in Israel/Gaza but this war WAS OVER a long time ago.

China has been spending hundreds of billions to lift up the world, while the U.S., at the same time has been spending that much for the most  globally  destructive event of the decade and totally counterproductive event.(except the US military-industrial-political-media complex).  

Americans have been completely bamboozled with nonstop propaganda since early 2022. What we've been told about the Ukraine war and everything related to it has been lies. We have been exposing those lies here the entire time. 

Ukraine War is Finished (You Won't Believe What Happens Next)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jCx1qEZQcY

Russia 'raining hellfire' on Ukrainian troops who crossed Dnipro river - follow latest

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/15/russia-ukraine-war-latest-news-zelensky-avdiivka-assault/

"The average lifespan of a Ukrainian soldier on the left bank is a little more than two days, he said."

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Good thing these aren't valuable American lives. We wouldn't stand for that. Just worthless Ukrainians here and the best part, evil Russians are dying too. They don't have families with wives and children and parents at home that love them like important Americans. 

They're just political pawns for powerful people like President Biden to use to weaken Russia/Putin because of his hate for them. And use psychopaths like Zelensky as a puppet by anointing him with massive ego swelling recognition.  Fame and glory in the Western world if he sacrifices his country for the US war against Russia. Allowing Ukraine to be completely decimated. Half his army killed so far on the hope that Ukraine might get into NATO. 

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Americans can afford to spend hundreds of billions of our tax money every year to kill people the convincing propaganda teaches us to hate in other countries. While using people, who's lives have no intrinsic  value, as pawns for the agenda. Which is mostly defined by the only benefactors in every replay of this scenario around the world. The diabolical Military-Industrial-Political-Media alliance that always profits from every war.

  Politicians love wars and the U.S. is vulnerable

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100127/

As the war grinds on, Ukraine needs more troops. Not everyone is ready to enlist    

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/19/europe/ukraine-difficulties-in-military-recruitment-intl/index.html

      At home, however, he faces a human resources problem. The war is approaching the end of its second year, and Ukraine’s military needs more manpower to sustain a bloody war of attrition against Russia, a country with more than three times the population of Ukraine.    

      In a recent essay, Ukraine’s top military commander, Valery Zaluzhny acknowledged that training and recruiting troops was becoming a serious challenge.    

      “The prolonged nature of the war, limited opportunities for the rotation of soldiers on the line of contact, gaps in legislation that seem to legally evade mobilization, significantly reduce the motivation of citizens to serve with the military,” he said.  

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I've been saying this WOULD HAPPEN right from the get go, almost 2 years ago when comparing the size of Ukraine's army to the size of Russia's army.

Over and OVER for months and months.

 This Summer, I told you that half of Ukraine's army had been killed off and they LOST the war. It's impossible for them to win.

And now, on November 20, 2023, they suddenly tell us........"hey, Ukraine doesn't have enough soldiers left to fight the war"

But the worst part about it is that they don't finally acknowledge that UKRAINE LOST THE WAR and its way past time for peace negotiations.

Instead, incredibly they claim that Ukraine needs to somehow find more soldiers to go on suicide missions in order for Ukraine to stay in the war.

I can tell you exactly why this is. The objective of the war was never for Ukraine to win because that was impossible from day 1. The objective of the war by the pathologically thinking Biden administration and West has been to use Ukrainians and US weapons to fight a US war against Russia on a Ukrainian battlefield TO WEAKEN RUSSIA!

Now that Ukraine has clearly lost for numerous months, they can still weaken Russia by draining Ukraine's  human military to the last drop of blood.

Biden, along with those in the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex, even now are trying to sell us on sending 10s of billions more weapons to Ukraine to get the remaining Ukrainians and as many Russians they can kill taken out in a lost war INSTEAD OF CALLING FOR PEACE!

These people have no empathy for human beings. Ukrainians(and Russians) are not human beings to them, just pawns to accomplish an agenda.

Especially their corrupt,  psychopath puppet leader that sacrificed his army for fame and glory bestowed on him by the West that convinced him to betray his people(after getting elected in 2019 by promising to negotiate peace with Russia.

What great military leader in the past got more than half their army killed, much of their country obliterated because they wanted their country to be part of an organization?  Thats all that Putin wanted. Don't let Ukraine join NATO. If Biden had told Zelensky to agree to that, there would have been no war. Instead in 2021, Biden told gullible Zelensky(who had never been in politics before) that he would get Ukraine into NATO and they could defeat Russia with the US sending his army all the weapons they would need.

The corrupt West would make Zelensky a hero because he was fighting against evil Russia.

That's exactly what happened. Zelensky, the career actor/comedian with the massive ego but 0 military training or skills didn't see what was obvious from the get go and bought into the diabolical scheme that turned him into a famous failure that betrayed his people and country.

That scenario above is really what happened, NOT the propaganda version everybody got! What will happen next?

1. Either they will acknowledge the truth and finally negotiate for peace.

2. They will keep this going until Ukraine has almost no military left.

3. They will start sending troops from other countries to trade those worthless lives with Russian worthless lives in order to keep the war going so they can weaken Putin even more.

Guess what the most important factor is?

Whether our diabolical/corrupt politicians waste 10s of billions more of our tax dollars(during a budget crisis that might shut down the government) to fund the war. If the US pulls the plug THE WAR ENDS!

DID you get that?

IF THE US PULLS THE PLUG ON MORE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE........THE WAR ENDS!

WITHOUT US FUNDING THE WAR, THERE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN A WAR.

500,000 PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. 500,000 FAMILIES IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA(THOSE ARE HUMAN BEINGS TOO) WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR FATHERS, SONS AND HUSBANDS.

2 YEARS LATER, ALL WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR THIS IS ALL THOSE DEAD PEOPLE, 1 TRILLION IN DAMAGES. GLOBAL INFLATION HURTING THE POOREST COUNTRIES AND A NEW ALLIANCE BETWEEN RUSSIA, IRAN, NORTH KOREA AND CHINA.

BUT THEY CAN STILL WEAKEN RUSSIA EVEN MORE..........SO THEY WANT MORE FUNDING TO CONTINUE THIS INSANITY.

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https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3578754/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

Humanitarian crisis in Ukraine worsens as U.S. funding stalls

                Nov 18, 2023 7:39 PM EST

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/humanitarian-crisis-in-ukraine-worsens-as-u-s-funding-stalls

President Biden has asked Congress for tens of billions of dollars to support Ukraine in its war against Russia. Most of it would be for military aid, but it also includes money to address the nation’s worsening humanitarian situation.

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The propaganda wants you to feel empathy and support sending more money to help Ukraine but it would just MAKE IT WORSE by sustaining the horrific conditions as long as possible.

NO MORE MONEY FOR WEAPONS= PEACE =TAX PAYERS SAVE MONEY=UKRAINE CAN START REBUILDING =DEAD PEOPLE WILL NOT COME BACK TO LIFE )-:

Guess who will foot much of the bill to rebuilt Ukraine?

Hopefully,  part of the peace settlement includes Russia paying most of the cost to rebuild since he did most of the decimating.

If he is claiming this as part of Russia, then its automatic but he should fund additional expenses to  help the rest of Ukraine. 

Putin’s peace talk comments send a signal to the West; Kremlin says Europe poses a threat to Russia

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/23/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html

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The West’s Disastrous Decision to Reject Peace in Ukraine

https://www.fairobserver.com/world-news/the-wests-disastrous-decision-to-reject-peace-in-ukraine/

So, based on Biden’s own definition of US war aims, his policy is failing. Tragically, it is hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers, not Americans, who are paying the price with their limbs and their lives.  

This result was far from unexpected. Early in the year Pentagon documents, since leaked, had a bleak assessment of the likelihood of Ukrainian success. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy himself postponed the offensive in May to avoid what he called “unacceptable” losses.

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They LOST the war already but want to fight to the last drop of  brave Ukrainian solders blood. (half the army is gone already). 

The objective continues to be weaken Russia NOT peace.

Despite losing the war already...........this is what Biden continues to do:

          Biden Administration Announces New Security Assistance for Ukraine        

                                                Nov. 20, 2023                                                                                                                                            https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3594318/biden-administration-announces-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

This announcement is the Biden Administration's fifty-first tranche of equipment to be provided from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021.

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The only thing this will do is extend the fighting for X amount of additional time, killing more people with no progress. while the diabolical, greedy Military-Industrial-Political-Media propaganda complex lets the profits/benefits/ratings to them roll in. 

Those 550,000 dead people have families, you know. They are real human beings!

The West focuses on the 200+ hostages of the important human beings families being held by Hamas.

While dehumanizing the 2+ million with unimaginable atrocities  in Gaza(they have families in other places) and the 550,000 dead people from the Ukraine war with wives, children and family members......all treated like they are worth nothing.

In the case of Gaza, like they are human waste that needs to be eliminated/disposed of. 

https://essanews.com/news,category,6941086894745729?page=3

Mass exodus from Ukraine: Hundreds of thousands flee

https://essanews.com/mass-exodus-from-ukraine-hundreds-of-thousands-flee,6966900625021057a

7:09 AM EST, November 25, 2023

Since the eruption of war in February 2022, at least 650,000 draft-age men have fled Ukraine, according to official data published by the BBC using statistics from Eurostat. Furthermore, there could potentially be an additional number of unaccounted men residing illegally in Western Europe.

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This is part of why Ukraine lost the war many months ago. Half of the army has been killed or permanently disabled and they don't have that many more men to send on suicide missions. It makes 0 sense to just keeping killing them off when its impossible........IMPOSSIBLE for Ukraine to win. THEY LOST!

  Stop the killing and negotiate peace. When you lose the war, your terms in negotiating are weak. When you win, you are strong.

That's a sad reality but not facing it, just increases the losses. Loss of life, loss of United States tax dollars(our money), loss of property in Ukraine, loss in our global credibility, great loss in global stability, loss of food/energy supplies globally. All losses for ZERO gains which is how its been from day 1.  When will it end? 

Since the politicians and media selling the lost cause with propaganda have done it by dehumanized the 500,000+ dead in this war, we've accepted this despicable war as just a normal part of our world in November 2023.

As long as they can get away with selling this fake reality with false narratives and propaganda......the war will continue.

The Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex has been making out like bandits.

1. Military-Industrial complex-They manufacture all the weapons for the governments =massive profits!!

2. Political = huge campaign contributions from lobby bribes of the Military-Industrial complex that enrich their campaigns and keep them voting for wars and voting to support more spending to buy weapons

3. Media = love wars because they always increase ratings, circulation and profits. Allows the exploitation of dynamics to be twisted to line up with their personal agenda.

Davyd Arakhamia, leader of the People's Servant faction, spearheaded the Ukrainian delegation in the "peaceful" talks with Russia in Belarus and Turkey in 2022. He reports that the Russian delegation proposed peace to Kyiv, contingent upon Ukraine's refusal to join NATO. However, the Ukrainians were skeptical of their promise.

Ukrainian leader reveals Russian conditions for peace talks (msn.com)

Thanks cutworm!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#100026

The powerful storm struck the Black Sea region, killing at least 14 people in Russia and Ukraine.

Bolton argues US must ‘act quickly’ on additional Ukraine aid or ‘Russia will win’

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4339230-bolton-argues-us-must-act-quickly-on-ukraine-aid/

Bolton said a rising worry is one of diplomatic victory for Russia, an agreement to keep the land in eastern Ukraine it has illegally annexed.

“I think we’ve got to be very concerned about a Russian diplomatic offensive that tries to win over at the bargaining table with the Russian troops can’t win on the battlefield,” he said. “That could come at any time, so we need to be ready for that.”

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        Critics Want to Know Why 'Bloodthirsty Warmonger' John Bolton Still Invited on TV    

"Treating him as if he is any kind of expert on any foreign policy is just absurd at this point," said Win Without War.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/22/critics-want-know-why-bloodthirsty-warmonger-john-bolton-still-invited-tv

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North Korea: Bolton a "war monger" and "defective human product"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-john-bolton-war-monger-defective-human-product-missile-tests/

John Bolton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton

Bolton is widely considered a foreign policy hawk and is an advocate for military action and regime change by the US in Iran, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Cuba, Yemen, and North Korea.

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metmike: Bolton represents the WORST of the worst when it comes to our failed, manipulative diabolical foreign policy efforts and imperialism that has gotten 10s of millions of people needlessly killed (including thousands of our own brave soldiers) and has so many people hating our country for it. 

                Politicians love wars and the U.S. is vulnerable                                                                   Started by metmike - Oct. 29, 2023, 10:36 p.m.    

        https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100127/#100128

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With regards to Bolton's statement about the risk of Russia winning. RUSSIA WON A LONG TIME AGO! Stop the additional death and destruction to thousands of human beings and profoundly negative impact to millions of humans being and negative impact to billions of human beings(that need food/energy from this region).

Ukraine Official Accuses Zelensky of Lying About the War

Dec 04, 2023

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-official-accuses-zelensky-lying-1849427

Zelensky rejected Zaluzhnyi's assessment days after his remarks were published, saying during a press conference on November 4 that the war was anything but "a stalemate" and accusing Russian President Vladimir Putin of treating his troops "like meat" and allowing them to be slaughtered.

Klitschko, a former world heavyweight boxing champion before entering politics, said during his 20 Minuten interview that Zelensky had been "euphorically" lying about Ukraine's standing in the war while praising Zaluzhnyi for telling "the truth."

The Kyiv mayor went on to say that Zelensky's popularity had recently been declining as payback for "mistakes he made" during the war, arguing that "people see who is effective and who is not."

"The president has an important function today and we have to support him until the end of the war," said Klitschko. "But at the end of this war, every politician will pay for his successes or failures."

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As I've been stating for 18 months, Zelensky is a ego maniac puppet getting all his brave soldiers killed for his Western world/global fame, glory and adulation. Betraying his campaign promise to negotiate for peace with Russia that got him elected.

Not many leaders have wrecked their own country and got more of their people killed FOR NOTHING than him. THIS RESULT WAS INEVITABLE FROM THE GET GO!  Only the propaganda of a manufactured reality in  NATO countries, stealing their intelligence and brainwashing them caused the thinking to be otherwise.

And some of our corrupt politicians still want to send tens of billions of dollars that  we could use at home.......to fund this kill-fest. I would be good with sending money to actually HELP foreign countries. The only thing this money did was enrich our diabolical Military-Industrial-Political-Media alliance complex These people have no empathy for other human beings. All they care about is their self serving interests and agenda, using people to reach their goals.

All Ukraine has to do from the get go was make an agreement with Russia to NOT joing NATO for X number of years and there would never have an invasion. No kidding. That was it! Then, Biden jumped in during 2021 and got control of Zelensky, turning him into his puppet. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#100026

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#100726

               Friday, December 8, 2023

Ukraine war latest: Scammers reportedly cheat volunteers out of millions on drone purchases

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-december-8-2023/

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Ukraine has been and CONTINUES TO BE one of the most corrupt countries in the world! Propaganda would have you think otherwise. Facts don't lie.

      Putin Has The Last Laugh: Zelensky Faulted For Corruption In Ukrainian Military Amid War | Poll

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtEkb4avl1o

Ukraine chases draft dodgers amid war manpower shortage

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 Ukraine lost the war a long time ago, with half of its military dead or permanently disabled and them no longer having enough people to keep up the fight........regardless of how many tens of billions of weapons the US sends.

 The massive amount of money that we flushed down this toilet, has INCREASED corruption in Ukraine.

Whenever Zelensky lifts the ban on elections, he will end up resigning because he KNOWS that he will lose in a landslide!

Look what he did to his country!!

All he had to do almost 2 years ago was agree to not join NATO and none of this would have happened. Biden, knowing how corrupt he and Ukraine are, turned him into his puppet in order to use Ukraine  and Ukrainians with US weapons to fight this US war against Russia  to weaken Putin.

Russia has been talking peace this year but our side refuses to consider anything except a continuation of the war to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

Our government and media continue to lie about this and use propaganda that is getting more and more absurd compared to the truth in order to try to keep people brainwashed and supporting this war.

Continuing a war that was lost long ago only needlessly kills more and more REAL people with REAL families. Flushing 10s of billions more of US tax dollars down the toilet, destroys more of Ukraine, hurts more poor people in the world with increased supply side inflation. Strengthens the Russia-China-Iran-North Korea alliance more and does nothing but more harm to everybody on the planet............with the exception of the US Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex which is making out like a bandit!

The war was lost a long time ago!!!

Ukraine stalemate shifts war in Putin’s favor

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4350776-ukraine-stalemate-shifts-war-putin-russia/

Senate fails to advance Ukraine aid despite dire warnings from Biden

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/06/1217576804/biden-says-congress-must-approve-ukraine-aid-this-month-we-cant-let-putin-win

Our government and the media are on a massive lying war propaganda blitz to try to weasel another 50 billion that the US cant afford to flush down the kill fest toilet. No attempts at peace, except by Russia. Just selling an endless war position for the diabolical military/industrial/political/media complex to get rich and boost ratings. War ALWAYS boosts ratings and profits with sensationalizing opportunities maximized. Peace is bad for business……especially the business of making bombs and killing machines for  wars.

Biden ‘not making promises’ US will further assist Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will leave Washington without more clarity on whether the U.S. will continue sending weapons to help his country repel Russia.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/12/biden-not-making-promises-us-will-further-assist-ukraine-00131433

President Joe Biden on Tuesday mounted a full-throated case for maintaining critical support for Ukraine in its war with Russia — but sounded less certain than ever he’d be able to deliver on it.

Standing alongside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Biden hailed the nation’s survival during two years of brutal war as an “enormous victory.” He expressed full confidence that Ukraine could ultimately prevail, and vowed that his White House would remain steadfast in its allyship.

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Loony tunes!

Victory for the Military-Industrial-political-media complex in the United States, yes. Weakening of Russia which was the objective, yes.

Let's ask the people of Ukraine if they are better off now, in 2023, than they were in 2021 or before Zelensky betrayed them in shutting down the peace negotiations with Russia.

For sure this is Russia's fault because of the invasion but if there's a bully on the playground that weighs 50 lbs of muscle more than you, the way to avoid serious bodily harm isn't to spit in his face and taunt him.

Zelensky agreeing to NOT join NATO was all Putin wanted from the get go and he told Putin to shove it, Joe Biden assures me that his weapons and my soldiers will defeat you.

Over half a million dead people(from both sides) and 1 trillion in damages later.....all those weapons did were kill more and more people and obliterate more and more of  Ukraine.

Now, more than half of Ukraine's military is dead or permanently disabled..........and he and Biden want to continue to fight to the last brave Ukrainian soldiers drop of blood.  

They want to continue to send more soldiers on suicide missions for their political agenda.

ALL of them have families. Wives, children, parents and so on. This is just a despicable dehumanization of those soldiers so they can use them as political pawns.

Here is the U.S. the propaganda has convinced us that its A-OK.  Those worthless Ukrainians and Russians have no value like somebody in the United States does.

In fact, the propaganda/media news stories glorify and celebrate when the Russians are killed. As if these were not really human beings that happened to be born in Russia and had no choice but to fight Putin's war.

Instead, we wish for them to be killed because the propaganda teaches us to HATE people that we don't even know. The Russian soldiers have families too and those families are not all evil people trying to harm us.

                Hate(and love)            

       Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.

    https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/

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We've recovered mostly from the pandemic of COVID but we have another pandemic in the United States. HATRED.

And its being INTENTIONALLY spread by many to most of our politicians (who use it to fire up their base against the opposition) and in the media, especially sources like Fox News.

We use hatred to DEhumanize people that are different than us and that we disagree with.  So that we can justify doing harm to them.

Another element.

Depleting our weapons reserves to kill Russians does NOT make the United States safer for Americans.

It increases our foreign enemies which has made  us a much bigger target from numerous countries right now, in fact.

AND makes us less capable of defending ourselves if and when that’s needed.

I am absolutely for huge military spending and maximizing the strength of our military but not flushing it down the toilet with completely counterproductive wars in Ukraine and Gaza.

We should help other countries facing threats from evil adversaries but MUST use critical thinking when applying that principle And stop using self serving political agenda to make those decisions.

 This defines war mongers like Lindsey  Graham who are completely owned by massive, legal  lobby money bribing from military contractors and the Jewish Coalition.

1. Is it in the best interest of and does it make the United States safer/stronger?

2. Is it making the world a better or worse place….think big picture objectivity and both sides of disputes.

Russia-Ukraine war: Ukraine hit by one of the worst cyber attacks of the war, says UK – as it happened

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/16/russia-ukraine-war-patriarch-kirill-putin-zelenskiy-latest-news

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What is the matter with these people in continuing to subject Ukraine to this punishment. Biden wants tens of Billions with a B so that he can kill off the rest of Zelensky's army, despite the war already being lost many months ago and in fact, there never was a chance for Ukraine to win from the get go.

Ukraine LOST THE WAR. Negotiate peace! The terms will not be close to what Putin offered BEFORE the war. That's what happens when you decide to have a battle over something. The winner gains something the loser, loses something. That's how it works. Get it over with so the poor Ukrainians can finally have peace and get Zelensky exiled the heck out of there and they can start new with elections restored and 1 trillion+ in rebuilding that Russia should pay most of. 

The situation was alot different in WW2 but the most famous refusal to admit their crushing defeat (and in that case submit an unconditional surrender) came at the end of the war in Japan.

In Ukraine, Putin is not asking for an unconditional surrender. From the get go, he wants an assurance that Ukraine will NOT become part of NATO(even as some NATO countries are trying to sneak Ukraine in at this very moment) and now that he won the war, will want MORE land that he didn't have before the war.

The insane thing is that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and the war has made it worse. Zelensky is a psychopath that has killed off half of his army and won't allow democratic elections because he would lose by a landslide.

All this war did was enrich the corrupt people in Ukraine with massive funds from the US and make a hero out of the puppet man who blatantly betrayed his people and promises (elected in 2019 on a platform of negotiating peace with Russia and eliminating corruption).

AND SEVERELY PUNISH ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE. Over half a million are dead from both sides and they had numerous family members. NONE OF THEM had any choice in this war and Zelensky continues to send them on suicide missions for his political agenda.  Killing them off until the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldier blood is gone. Brave Russian soldiers have families too and nobody asked these people born in Russia and obligated to serve their country to play a role in the decisions that our high and almighty, corrupt/bought and paid for politicians make using our brave soldiers and the brave soldiers in other coutries as the pawns for self serving agenda personal enrichment(from the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex).

And our corrupt politicians and dishonest media continue to dehumanize millions severely impacted in the Ukraine war with the absurd propaganda intended to convince us to support the kill-fest.

120+ billion of our money flushed down the toilet, draining our weapons stockpile, obliterating Ukraine and astronomical death and incapacitated soldier numbers..........are just numbers on a monitor to us. We don't connect them to REAL HUMAN BEINGS AND THEIR HORRIBLE SUFFERING. DEHUMANIZED and we are DESENSITIZED because the value of a Ukrainian is worthless compared to an American.

And in fact, they want us to cheer when news of dead Russians are in the headlines. 

Ukraine sees 'big risk' of losing war if U.S. Congress postpones vital aid

December 5, 202311:54 AM CSTUpdated 14 days ago

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sees-big-risk-losing-war-if-us-congress-postpones-vital-aid-2023-12-05/

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Well, that propaganda didn't work, so let's try saying the exact opposite to see if that will work.

Zelenskyy says Ukraine not at risk of losing war with Russia

• Dec 19, 2023        Updated         23 min ago    

https://www.swoknews.com/ap/international/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-not-at-risk-of-losing-war-with-russia/article_a6ab2bcb-d180-563d-8406-f3a6d057dcf4.html

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Anything but telling the truth and negotiating for peace because there is still some brave Ukrainian soldier blood left to be wasted on the battlefield in order for Zelensky to delay facing the music. Being ousted from his position (no way he could get reelected when he allows voting again) possibly fleeing to the United States where our propaganda has convinced people that the charismatic, corrupt, psychopathic Biden puppet that betrayed his people and promises(to negotiate peace in order to get elected in 2019) , killed off over half his army and caused 1 trillion in damages is actually a hero.                       

Ukraine aid will run out at the end of the month, White House warns    https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/ukraine-aid-december/index.html

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Oh my! They might have to tell the truth that Ukraine lost the war a very long time ago. We have 600,000 dead people with millions of family members that lost loved ones who died because Biden told Zelensky he would get him into NATO and give him all the weapons he needed to defeat Putin/Russia, when there was a near 0 chance of that happening from the get go.

 Maybe we can actually start rebuilding Ukraine. Dead people can't come back to life but at least we won't be adding thousands more.

But Putin will gain territory!!!

That's exactly right and NATO/Biden/Zelensky gave it to him by not agreeing to keep Ukraine out of NATO...........and telling him to go ahead and invade Ukraine, that we would fight over it.

Then pretending that there was nothing that could have been done.

In late 2021, all they had to do was agree with Putin to not bring Ukraine into NATO and there would have been no invasion. That's it! The propaganda has continued to lie about that every day for 2 years now and continue to justify a war that has completely obliterated Ukraine and its people and PRETEND that this is all about standing by Ukraine and its people.

That is astronomically absurd and a lie!!!

The  people in Ukraine wanted PEACE with Russia.

The people in Ukraine wanted NEGOTIATIONS with Russia.

The people in Ukraine wanted to stop the corruption.

That's exactly why they elected Zelensky in 2019 based on his promises for bringing peace thru negotiations.

Biden, NATO and puppet psychopath Zelensky are the ones that want Ukraine in NATO NOT the Ukrainians. They trick Americans to support Ukraine for something UKRAINE DID NOT WANT!!!

Instead of the peace and corruption ending the people of Ukraine were pleading for, the West forced this war on them. Forced them to fight it. Zelensky killed off over half of his army fighting HIS war. Biden and NATO's war.  All to weaken Putin out of hatred and political agenda.

How twisted this is to insist that what we did this for Ukraine this was supporting them and helping them. That is twisted logic.

Now, not only has their country been decimated. Millions of family members with dead and permanently disabled soldiers. 1 trillion+ in damages and WORSE corruption and Zelensky won't even allow them to vote because he'll lose.

Some democracy. And our country flushed 130 billion tax dollars down the toilet to punish Ukraine with OUR war against Russia. The UNITED STATES and Joe Biden's war against Putin!!!

Using OUR weapons AND FORCING UKRAINIANS TO FIGHT IT!

Then pretending we are doing this for Ukraine.

Look at Ukraine, man!  All Biden/Zelensky had to do 2 years ago was to agree with Putin that Ukraine would NOT join NATO. None of this would have happened.

Ukraine’s army is struggling to find good recruits

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/12/17/ukraines-army-is-struggling-to-find-good-recruits

After we killed off over half of their army fighting OUR WAR,  we have the audacity to continue to insist we kill the rest of them???

Propaganda can sure trick people into believing crazy insane lies and reasoning. 

Let Ukraine finally have the peace it wants and to start rebuilding.  Stop the insanity, please!

Stop the blatant propaganda lies stating that if we let Putin win, he's coming for other countries.

He's been crystal clear on this from the get go. This has always been about Ukraine and NATO!

Now, his invasion has won MORE territory because he won the war over joining NATO.

Putin is evil and what he did was wrong but sending hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on a suicide mission to fight a NATO war was totally preventable and the supposed "good guys" did that to Ukraine because we care about them.

Spare me. Ask anybody in Ukraine if they could go back 2 years and agree to not join NATO and have things still like they were then,  or do what Zelensky/NATO/Biden  did to them and I would bet less than 1% of the people would take this.

Who is better off in Ukraine today than they were 2 years ago?

1. Zelensky is a global rock star, Time magazine man of the year and so on. 

2. The corrupt politicians/government of Ukraine that used some of the US money gushing at them to enrich themselves with very little accountability for it.

3. NOT the other 99.99% of people in Ukraine who are worse off and most of them MUCH worse off than 2 years ago. Can't get much worse than being dead. Many millions left the country. Many families lost loved ones in the military. Extremely high rate of poverty. 1 trillion in structural damage. 

Propaganda sure can trick people to think that what we did the last 2 years with 130 billion of our tax dollars was TO HELP UKRAINE. 

It was to USE THEM to fight our war with Putin/Russia because of the people that hate Putin and the country of Russia who brainwashed people to think that this is how we help Ukraine!!

Blinken warns against self-inflicted defeat in Ukraine

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/blinken-warns-against-self-inflicted-defeat-ukraine#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWhat%20we%20do%2C%20what%20we,It%20will%20be%20ourselves.%E2%80%9D

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Let's ramp up some guilt tripping propaganda. As if the US, flushing 120 billion down the toilet to kill off more than half of Ukraine's army and decimate their country will be at fault because.............IT WASN'T ENOUGH!

So the United States needs to  flush another 60 billion down the toilet to kill more and decimate more of Ukraine in a war that was actually lost a very long time ago. Because the objective is not to win a war THEY KNOW is impossible to win. It's to weaken Russia and hurt hated Putin and enrich the military-industrial-political-media complex in the United States that completely dehumanizes the 600,000 dead people and millions of loved ones suffering the losses in their families in Ukraine/Russia.

All those people in Ukraine/Russia are just sub human pawns/units to manipulate and force into serving the agenda of Biden/NATO and their betraying psychopath puppet Zelensky.

In fact, we are supposed to celebrate the headlines when it features DEAD RUSSIANS. Not just dehumanized but being assigned with evil traits that make us want as many of them dead as possible.

It would be one thing if Ukraine was fighting a winnable war for a just cause.

But to join NATO?

Yeah, if you're NATO and don't give a lick about humanity that sick logic might make sense.

They dragged the rest of us into that with their slick/convincing sounding, lying propaganda!

Who are the REAL evil ones? The wolves in sheep's clothing.

NPR this afternoon, was quoting an official that is claiming if we don't keep funding the war in Ukraine, Putin will be coming after the rest of Europe next. The Ukraine war is the only thing stopping Putin. 

I'd bet my house on that being complete nonsense. It's based on completely ignoring everything that Putin has ever said about Ukraine and this war.  

Putin could attack Baltics and Moldova next, says Belgian army chief

 Europe must show it can defend itself, according to Michel Hofman.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-army-chief-hofman-putin-attack-after-ukraine-baltics-moldova-next-russia/

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WRONG!!!

This has ALWAYS BEEN about Ukraine joining NATO. What would Putin want to talk/negotiate if he plans to invade Europe next?  He wouldn't. He never intended to invade Europe and clearly doesn't intend to now. They are making that up to scare people and use as propaganda to support the war that needs to end yesterday.

Putin says Russia is ready to talk on Ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-is-ready-talk-ukraine-2023-12-19/

Here's your daily dose of war propaganda )-:

Great News for Zelensky and Ukraine: More Help on the Way

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/great-news-for-zelensky-and-ukraine-more-help-on-the-way/ar-AA1lPUYX?cvid=d2fb5f52973145d997a6cfd827673efa&ei=36

Switzerland has announced a significant winter aid package for Ukraine, totaling CHF 11.5 million ($13.3 million), as reported on December 20.

This contribution increases Switzerland's total winter assistance to Ukraine to approximately CHF 26 million ($30 million).

The aid comes at a crucial time as Ukraine faces the dual challenges of cold weather and intensified Russian attacks, particularly targeting the country's energy sector.

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Ukraine would need over 4,000 packages of 13.3 million to amount to the 60 billion which is what Biden and Zelensky have insisted is needed from the US or else the war would be lost. The only reason to make this sound like Switzerland is saving Ukraine is the fact that they were insisting not getting tens of billions by the end of the month meant the war would be lost. Since they didn't get that money...........it would mean the war has been lost but now that Switzerland has stepped in with what amounts to the cost of around 1 hours worth of war support, they can keep pretending the war is not lost........into 2024. 

 60 billion in aid =24 weeks=4,000 hours =

13.3 million in aid  = .006 weeks =1 hour

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Zelenskyy reveals Russia's plans from Ukrainian Intelligence report

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-reveals-russia-s-plans-from-ukrainian-intelligence-report/ar-AA1lRxUo?cvid=6f7470a567b04b46b8d5956fbfeaab12&ei=3

The Defense Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine registers signals indicating a slowdown in the work pace of the defense-industrial complex of Russian occupiers, according to the evening video address of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The head of state has revealed that such military intelligence data was provided to him on Thursday, December 21. Updated information about the enemy's plans was also provided.

"Today, there was a separate report by the Main Intelligence Directorate. The enemy's plans, the work of the Russian defense industry - there are signals that they are slowing down," Zelenskyy has stated.

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Riiiight (-:  

Ukraine has top secret military intelligence information about the enemy's plans.............and Zelensky is sending out press releases to the global media to let the world know the top secret so that...........Russia will know that he knows, which means it's not a secret anymore. This  sabotages the advantage of having military intelligence. In a war, each side doesn't share secrets that it knows about each other. This is retarded, desperate  war propaganda.

Ukrainian shelling kills 21 Russian civilians, Russia says, a day after Moscow launched major aerial assault    

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/30/europe/belgorod-shelling-russia-ukraine-intl/index.html

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They continue to blatantly lie about what this war is about and not telling us how Ukraine lost a long time ago. This is what triggered the invasion!

September 01, 2021  

Joint Statement on the U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Partnership

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/09/01/joint-statement-on-the-u-s-ukraine-strategic-partnership/

Deepening Strategic Defense Cooperation:  The United States and Ukraine have finalized a Strategic Defense Framework that creates a foundation for the enhancement of U.S.-Ukraine strategic defense and security cooperation and the advancement of shared priorities, including implementing defense and defense industry reforms, deepening cooperation in areas such as Black Sea security, cyber defense, and intelligence sharing, and countering Russian aggression.

Supporting Ukraine’s Euro-Atlantic Aspirations:  As the United States and Allies reaffirmed in the June 2021 NATO Summit Communique, the United States supports Ukraine’s right to decide its own future foreign policy course free from outside interference, including with respect to Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO.

Providing Ukraine with Security Assistance: The United States is announcing a new $60 million security assistance package, including additional Javelin anti-armor systems and other defensive lethal and non-lethal capabilities, to enable Ukraine to more effectively defend itself against Russian aggression.

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metmike: We've sent Ukraine more than 2,000 times that amount of money since then!  Almost all of it going towards using Ukraine for our war and getting Ukrainians killed to fight it, using our weapons.

We intend to continue our robust training and exercise program in keeping with Ukraine’s status as a NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner.

metmike: Putin insisted that Ukraine would NEVER become a member of NATO and he would invade Ukraine before allowing that to happen. Biden and Zelensky completely shut down negotiations with Russia/Putin and told him to shove it, knowing that he would invade as he promised, if they kept insisting Ukraine was on a track to join Ukraine.

III. Energy Security and Climate

metmike: Everything stated under/in that section is 100% manufactured nonsense!

Addressing the Impact of Nord Stream 2:

 The United States and Ukraine continue to oppose Nord Stream 2, which we view as a threat to European energy security

metmike: So they went and blew the dang thing up!!!! State sponsored terrorism of an extreme nature.............and no consequences. Just making up  absurd conspiracy theories. Anybody with a few objective brain cells knows that the US blew up this pipeline!

It caused the biggest methane leak in history. Methane is 80 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2 and methane is NOT a beneficial gas, greening up the planet and massively increasing food production.

If they really believed that greenhouse gases are killing the planet and only cutting emissions will save the planet........how retarded is blowing up this pipeline on a scale of 1-10?

A rock solid 10!

Nord Stream gas leaks may be biggest ever, with warning of ‘large climate risk’

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/28/nord-stream-methane-gas-leaks-may-be-biggest-ever-with-warning-large-climate-risk

U.S. intelligence assesses Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 casualties -source

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/

Kyiv treats its losses as a state secret and officials say disclosing the figure could harm its war effort.

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You bet they keep it a secret, so they can manufacture their own numbers/DISinformation, otherwise known as WAR PROPAGANDA.

When was the last time there was a war when the side killing 10 times the number of soldiers of the enemy as the number of soldiers on their side getting killed..................LOST THE WAR???

How about NEVER!!!

And it isn't happening in this war either. They are getting people to celebrate the deaths of Russians as a good thing. Bad enough that they've dehumanized Ukrainians as just units/numbers that represent a cause/agenda defined by diabolical politicians who use them for their self serving interests(that include financial enrichment from millions of $$$ gushing into the accounts from the Military-Industrial complex) but they've created a dynamic which causes us to be glad to see hundreds of thousands of Russians die all because Ukraine wants to join NATO and our diabolical leaders think thats more important than millions of human beings being profoundly impacted in the worst way possible.

Ukraine May Have to Accept a Cease-Fire

The good news is it would open the door to eventual EU and NATO membership.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-may-have-to-accept-a-cease-fire-putin-orban-congress-aid-89f9932a

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Finally admitting the obvious but then, stating the absurd that this means Ukraine will be able enter NATO. Putin started this war to KEEP UKRAINE FROM ENTERING NATO! Now that Russia has clearly won...........he's going to agree to let Ukraine enter NATO????

That would be like the Allies in WW2, after winning the war.........giving Hitler everything that he wanted. When does a country(s) win a war and give up the only thing they were fighting for????

Just more propaganda to justify over 500,000 dead and Ukraine obliterated and  our adversaries united, tax payers out by $130,000,000,000, some of it going to make Ukraine even more corrupt.  

Even if Ukraine won and COULD actually join NATO, the cost was 1 million times more than that reward.

BUT THEY LOST AND we suffered the costs.

But it DID weaken Russia and that was the REAL reason for our war, using Ukraine  and dehumanized Ukrainians for pawns to accomplish our political agenda and for enrichment of the diabolical Millitary-Industrial-Political-Media complex.

Vladimir Putin threatens to 'deal with' UK and Western allies in chilling new warning

Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine is the not Russia's enemy and accused western nations of wanting to destroy Russia.

"Those who are trying to destroy Russia using Ukraine ... That is the problem."

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I've stated exactly what Putin did above, dozens of times here. Putin is an evil guy but the truth is the truth even when it's stated by an evil source about his adversaries that are also imposing their own evil actions/agenda.

This is one of the many posts where Putin's truth is clearly spelled out:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/#98023

We've been fed a steady stream of dishonest propaganda for the past 2 years. Seriously, read that post. Putin only wanted for Ukraine to agree not to Join NATO because NATO's objective is to destroy Russia and Ukraine is part of the "Motherland" for Russia. Putin's invasion was still wrong but the truth about it has been censored and the assertion that Putin intends to expand his invasion beyond Ukraine is 1,000% hogwash/propaganda. Not 1 iota of truth to it.

Russia-Ukraine war: UK PM warns Putin will not stop if he wins in Ukraine and victory would embolden Russian allies – as it happened

Rishi Sunak said if the UK wavered in its support of Ukraine it would embolden Vladimir Putin and “his allies in North Korea, Iran and elsewhere”.

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This is 100% the polar opposite of the truth(war propaganda). It's the NATO countries war in Ukraine, using that country and it's people to weaken Russia that is the main cause for Russia, China, North Korea and Iran to form a coalition that would not exist with this much strength than if we did not cause this war.

Agreeing with Russia's main demand........to not make Ukraine part of NATO 2 years ago would have prevented this war and prevented  that coalition between those countries.

And the hogwash that letting Putin win(which has already happened) will result in him going after Europe is hall of fame type propaganda.

He only wants to stop the massive NATO expansion from stealing the motherland!!!

100%, indisputable, proven fact!!!

What he did was wrong but make no mistake about the REAL reason and authentic dynamics.

WarPROPAGANDA!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97416/#97496

A totally absurd part of the war propaganda is the notion that we are SUPPORTING UKRAINE.

One of the most corrupt countries in the world, led by a corrupt, charismatic psychopath that was recruited by NATO/Biden as a puppet to do their diabolical deeds. 

Getting 500,000+ people killed-including Russians(half their army dead or permanently disabled), 1 trillion+ in damages, millions displaced, widespread poverty ..............all to join NATO.

The ironic thing is that Ukrainians voted for Zelensky entirely based on his campaign promise to negotiate peace with Russia and fight corruption, NOT to join NATO.

He completely betrayed them for the fame that the Western countries gave him as their war hero fighting evil Russia USING Ukrainians and Ukraine to weaken hated enemy  Putin and Russia.

Look what WE DID to Ukraine, while stealing 130 billion from US taxpayers to engage/fund our war/killfest with Russia. Ukraine never wanted this! Ukrainians have always wanted peace and even now, the only person calling for it is Putin(and Ukrainians), while Biden, NATO and the West refuse to negotiate and only insist on stealing tens of billions more from taxpayers to fund the endless war to hurt Putin. No endpoint or plan other than...........endless war with increasingly absurd justifications... with them pretending it can be won, despite already losing. 

They will fight to the last drop of blood of the brave Ukrainian soldiers given a death sentence the past 2 years.

This is because they have effectively DEHUMANIZED Ukrainians and Russians.

Ukrainians (and Russians) are just numbers on our screen. Units that represent, propaganda which imposes an ideology in our minds that trumps their humanity. Trumps the fact that they have families. Wives, children, mothers and fathers that suffer the same losses that you and me do when a loved one perishes.

And entirely for a manufactured cause that doesn't exist. 

Hiding the real reason. 

How many people in Ukraine wish they could turn back the clock and have it like it was 2 years ago, when Biden shut down negotiations with Russia, using Zelensky to have his war with them?

How about..........almost all of them. They weren't gung ho on joining NATO, BIDEN/NATO WAS.

They wanted peace NOT NATO. They still want peace but BIDEN, the WEST/NATO and the betraying/traitor leading them  refuse to let them have it!!!

Biden has been a part of the Ukrainian corruption for years, starting with the relationship he had via Hunter's corrupt schemes pedaling Joe's influence as VP.  This is not the Rs being political. It's a stone cold fact based on a Mt. Everest size pile of authentic evidence.

And the biggest benefactors of this war are the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex in the United States, that controls our politicians with countless millions in legal and not so legal bribes.

Wars result in block buster ratings and sales that drive the FOR PROFIT media industry.  They are also loaded with political activists that choose that profession to impose their ideologies on readers/viewers.

Ukraine’s Desperate Hour: The World Needs a Russian Defeat

After one year of war, it looked like Putin was going to lead a weakened, humbled nation. Entering year three, he has a chance to break Western solidarity.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/features/2024-01-18/russia-ukraine-latest-us-europe-west-can-t-let-putin-win-this-war

If Ukraine Fell, Russia’s Threat to Eastern Europe Would Grow

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Big fat lie and propaganda!

Ukraine war latest: NATO preparing for war with Russia - as Germany warns Putin may launch attack   

A leading NATO official has said civilians and armed forces in the West need to be prepared for the outbreak of a war with Russia that would demand significant changes to their lives.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-russian-foreign-minister-sergei-lavrov-holding-major-news-conference-12541713

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Another blatant lie! This war was all about Putin PREVENTING NATO FROM EXPANDING INTO UKRAINE so he would never face a war with NATO. They keep repeating this lie to scare people and get them to support the war against Russia, using Ukraine and the poor Ukrainians to do the dirty work of NATO, Biden and the West that wants to expand into Ukraine.

They are pretending that its the other way around, that PUTIN wants to expand. No, no, NO! He is trying to prevent NATO from expanding and surrounding Russia. 100% proven factual. 

The basic principles of warpropaganda

  https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/#93484

How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

When compared with U.S. assistance to other top recipients, both in recent years and in decades past, the extraordinary scale of this aid comes into view.

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Keep in mind that the US wasn't going broke in the past when we could afford to be more generous!

Countries That Have Sent the Most Aid to Ukraine

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-02-24/these-countries-have-sent-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

Think about what good that money could have done at home, instead of being wasted counter productively to kill  Russians/Ukrainians and destroy Ukraine because Biden wants a war to weaken Russia and for corrupt Ukraine to join NATO.

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How NATO's expansion helped drive Putin to invade Ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer

Two maps show NATO’s growth — and Russia’s isolation — since 1990

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/19/two-maps-show-natos-growth-and-russias-growing-isolation-since-1990.html

Europe in 1990

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, the Russia-dominated Soviet Union included Ukraine, the Baltic states and several other now-independent countries. The Warsaw Pact, an alliance also dominated by Russia, included six satellite countries that are all now independent as well.

Europe in 2022

Over the last 32 years, Germany has reunified and all the former Warsaw Pact countries have joined NATO. Three countries that were once part of the Soviet Union — Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — have joined NATO as well.

The US and Canada are also NATO members.

Putin is fighting NATO for Ukraine right now. Not possibly or theoretically. Ukraine was on a fast track to join NATO. Look who's helping Ukraine right now........NATO! The entire war is all about that. The US is the most powerful part of NATO fighting Russia for Ukraine right now. 

The war would have been avoided if Ukraine agreed to NOT join NATO. That's it, man. I think that Ukraine should have been able to join NATO but when the choice was this, that was inevitable and 1 million times worse than the right to join NATO, only retarded thinking and diabolical political propaganda would justify this choice. 

There was a choice that would have resulted in no Ukraine war but it meant no NATO for Ukraine. People stating otherwise are either lying or repeating a lie they read and believe from propaganda..........which is almost everything we read in the US.

Again, Putin is an evil guy and this was unjustified. But we COMPLETELY understood his thinking and intentionally choose to go to war with him over Ukraine because NATO wanted this PREVENTABLE war. 

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The people in Ukraine wanted peace with Russia NOT TO JOIN NATO.

It's NATO that wants Ukraine and Putin is fighting to keep them from getting it......and its  NATO's war with Putin USING UKRAINIANS/UKRAINE NOT Ukraines. UKRAINE WANTS PEACE! They were betrayed by the ego maniac, charasmatic Zelensky who was elected based on his campaign promise to negotiate peace with Russia in 2019. Biden bought him off in 2021.  Let me make that clear. BIDEN BOUGHT OFF ZELENSKY with promises that have turned Zelensky into a global rock star/war hero at the expense of his people.

September 2021 Biden and Zelensky discussing the dynamics of  expected war with Russia. Provoke him by cutting off negotiations with Putin and telling him that Ukraine was joining NATO whether he liked it or not. Despite Putin's insistence that he would keep NATO from expanding into Ukraine, even if he had to invade Ukraine to do it.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99446

Ukrainian Citizens Banned From Negotiating With Putin, Zelenskyy Orders

Kyiv has virtually ruled out talks before a complete Russian withdrawal as its forces retake large parts of the occupied regions

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2022-10-04/ty-article/ukrainian-citizens-banned-from-negotiating-with-putin-zelenskyy-orders/00000183-a2ae-d8cc-afc7-feee8ef30000

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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99443

Enlargement of NATO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

https://www.statista.com/chart/26674/european-countries-by-year-of-joining-nato/

metmike: The dishonest media and our government are deceiving you, colluding with the propaganda messages related to this war!!

We just flushed 130 billion dollars down the toilet, when we don't even have enough money to fund our own key projects at home.......to get 500,000 people killed and Ukraine obliterated.....because Biden wants Ukraine to be part of NATO and hates Putin/Russia.

Ukrainians want peace with Russia. Stop pretending that we are supporting Ukraine by doing the opposite of what they want the most, while getting their people killed and country obliterated using US taxpayer funded weapons.

Ukrainians (and Russians) are human beings with children, wives, parents and families suffering tremendous losses. Instead, they are being used as pawns to accomplish the political aspirations of Biden, NATO, Zelensky and company AGAINST the best interestsd of the Ukrainian PEOPLE.

And you and me, reading about it in the comfort and safety of our homes see the XXX daily deaths as just numbers on our screens and the horrible devastation as an accepted part of what the media has conditioned us to accept as THE NEW NORMAL!

Remember when the war started almost 2 years ago?

Shock and a compelling desire for peace!

Today, the Biden company has no strategy for an endgame and is NOT trying to negotiate peace. Just keep sending 10s of billions of US taxpayer money to sustain the war to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldiers blood.

Pretending that its still a winnable war using more absurd lies to justify it...........long after the war has been lost.

Zelenskyy calls Trump's rhetoric about Ukraine's war with Russia 'very dangerous'

https://apnews.com/article/zelenskyy-russia-ukraine-trump-war-130e617cfebebeeba61044a0cb68a933

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You bet it's dangerous...........to those that want the war to continue, especially Biden/NATO and Zelensky.

Here's how to end the war(seriously):

Agree with Putin and guarantee with a document that Ukraine will NOT become a member of NATO.

Doing that 2 years ago, with absolute certainty, would have prevented the war!!!

 Unfortunately for the NATO countries that LOST the war..........when you lose wars you have to give up something else to compensate the winner. Ukraine lost this war by every authentic measure. So, sadly they have to give Russia something Putin was NOT ASKING FOR IN 2022, before the war started over NATO membership.

What is that?

Maybe in this case the territory that Russia gained in the war.

What about Ukrainians?

They want peace with Russia. They have always wanted peace with Russia. They will always want peace with Russia.

It's NATO, Biden and Zelensky that want NATO membership the most,  NOT Ukrainians.

NATO, Biden and Zelensky got Ukraine obliterated and forced Ukrainians to die for that cause.

Trump is offering to give Ukrainians and Putin what they wanted, still want and will always want..........peace.

Peace really is dangerous when your objective is endless war.

Zelensky Turns Tables on Putin with Russian Territories Decree

https://www.newsweek.com/volodymyr-zelensky-decree-historical-lands-ukraine-russia-1862758

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This is just an absurd, counterproductive publicity stunt intended to keep the focus away from the realities.

Ukraine lost the war.  Zelensky and company cost 500,000+ lives to be lost(with billions of family members), 1 trillion in damages and the entire world to be negatively impacted- including US tax payers to the tune of 130 billion that we have to borrow because we can't even pay our own bills! (with positives only for the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex).

All because Ukraine wouldn't agree to NOT become part of NATO.

It's past time to give the Ukrainians what they've always wanted. Peace with Russia NOT NATO. The minute you negotiate peace is when the tremendous damage stops.

Putin is evil and his invasion was wrong but was this worth Ukraine joining NATO, when the end result has been to not join NATO anyways?

That was a rhetorical question.

Ukraine, being falsely portrayed as a great democracy fighting for freedom from the  suppressing,  evil Russia is actually one of the world's most corrupt countries.

Being run by a psychopath, authoritarian, Zelensky who has banned elections during the war because he knows that as soon as the war ends, they will boot him out by a landslide. So the war must continue endlessly so he keeps his job.........and adulation status bestowed upon him by NATO/The West that has completely manufactured propaganda to describe the opposite of what exists in Ukraine.

Ukrainians elected Zelensky because he promised to negotiate peace with Russia, their main desire and to eradicate corruption.......the war has INCREASED corruption.

Ukrainians were not the ones who want to join NATO, which is the REAL reason that we are fighting this war. It's Biden, Zelensky and NATO that are fighting this war so that Ukraine can join NATO.  

Ukrainians continue to want peace. Zelensky continues to refuse to negotiate peace because the war keeps his job. Biden and NATO continue to lie about Ukraine already losing the war a long time ago and push for more support to kill of the rest of Ukraines military as their brave soldiers are sent on suicide missions the past 2 years.

Over 500,000 dead in this war, with many millions of family members suffering tremendous losses, the country decimated, US tax payers out 150 billion all for NOTHING. 

And Biden wants more money. NATO and Zelensky want the lost war to continue forever.

For NATO, it offers the daily opportunity to vilify Russia with fake war propaganda. Once a peace settlement occurs...........that will be gone.

Zelensky's Corruption Problem

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-zelensky-corruption-problem-1863644

Zelensky Faces Full-Blown Rebellion At Home Amid Russia-Ukraine War | Watch Three Big Attacks

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/zelensky-faces-full-blown-rebellion-at-home-amid-russia-ukraine-war-watch-three-big-attacks-101705974609030.html

Zelenskyy The Authoritarian Autocrat? – OpEd

https://www.eurasiareview.com/07122023-zelenskyy-the-authoritarian-autocrat-oped/

The mayor accused Zelensky of:

• Lying to the public about Ukraine’s progress in the Ukraine’s war. Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Ukrainian military’s commander in chief, said last month that the war had gone “into a stalemate and the war could drag on for years” after a disappointing counteroffensive that failed to deliver a decisive blow to Russia.
• “Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth. … Of course, we can euphorically lie to our people and our partners. But you can’t do that forever.” “Nobody believes in our victory like I do. Nobody.”
• “People see who’s effective and who’s not. Zelensky is paying for mistakes he has made.”

However, it has been almost three years into his presidency: none of these major promises have been fulfilled, and his popularity ratings have decreased to 30%(and falling fast). As a result, it can be argued that Zelensky has not decreased instances of corruption in the Ukrainian government— instead, he has increased corruption through autocratic behaviors such as favoring blind loyalty over competence in appointments and politicizing the executive branch. However, 30 people close to him— friends, previous co-workers have been elected to positions in the Ukrainian government. In Zelensky’s case, while he has delivered on some initial campaign promises but he has also increased corruption and distrust in government through his non-deliverance of campaign promises and shady tactics that can be seen as autocratic and selfish. A worrying sign of autocratic leadership is when a politician rejects, in words or action, the democratic rules of the game, and begins to favour blind loyalty over competence.

Oleksii Arestovich, Volodymyr Zelensky’s former chief of staff, senior adviser described the Ukrainian president as a “Dictator” who has become “divorced from reality” in relation to the way he has reacted to the Russian special military operation since it began in February 2022.

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The United States has been funding this corrupt, authoritarian regime with money that we have to borrow. The Military-Industrial-Political Complex are the ones that benefit the most. They keep selling the war effort as needed by us to support Ukrainians. This is the polar opposite of the truth. What we are doing is exactly what the Ukrainians DO NOT WANT.

Ukrainians wanted, still want and will always want peace with Russia NOT NATO. What we are doing is getting Ukrainians killed off, their country and economy decimated, millions displaced and on welfare and blaming Russia, when all that Russia wanted was an agreement that Ukraine would not join NATO.  That's it!  The absurd claims that Russia is coming for other countries after this are just lies to scare people. Russia is taking Ukraine before NATO can get it. The only way that Putin will invade NATO countries is if NATO directly attacks the country of Russia in organized, military fashion.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy warns that World War III is near if they do not defend themselves

JANUARY 31, 2024

https://www.financial-world.org/news/news/crimes/24810/volodymyr-zelenskyy-warns-that-world-war-iii-is-near-if-they-do-not-defend-themselves/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

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While Zelenskyy has issued warnings about Putin's plans, he faces significant challenges as the leader of Ukraine. Corruption is on the rise, with some exploiting the war for personal gain. Even before the conflict, Ukraine ranked among the world's most corrupt nations, and the ongoing war has exacerbated the issue, fueled by daily donations. Corruption is particularly pronounced in the importation of weapons.

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We've already flushed 100+ billion that we didn't have down the toilet to kill 500,000+ people on both sides and obliterate Ukraine to the tune of 1 trillion+, cause millions to flee and go into poverty for one of the most corrupt countries in the world, that we caused to be even MORE corrupt.

Elevated a lying psychopath that has completely betrayed his people...... into a great war hero by NATO. Ukrainians elected Zelensky based on his campaign promises to negotiate peace with Russia and to end corruption, their #1 and #2 priorities.

Look what this SOB  did to them!

 He killed off half the Ukrainian military doing it for a completely bogus reason and  still wants THEM to fight his war to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldiers blood. But Russia has already won and Zelensky will NEVER go for peace, which is still what the people of Ukraine want the most under any terms. NEVER because as soon as he admits the war is over and stops his total nonsense about how Russia is coming for other countries next.........he will be booted out of office.

The people of Ukraine have completely had it with this charlatan that was recruited by corrupt Biden in 2021 to accomplish his agenda of expanding NATO and fighting Russia.

Zelensky has cancelled elections and turned into an authoritarian that answers to nobody. The people in Ukraine are being denied the right to vote because at the first chance possible, Zelensky knows that he'll be booted out of office by a landslide.

What is the matter with the United States? Why are we letting our corrupted politicians(bribed by the Military-Industrial Complex) do this???

This has entirely been about NATO/Biden/Zelensky wanting Ukraine to join NATO and Putin using force to prevent them from getting it.  

Putin is an evil guy but c,mon man! How was/is this supporting Ukraine? We did the complete opposite of helping them or giving them what they really want and caused Ukraine to be even farther away from joining NATO.

Ukrainians  didn't want to Join NATO. What they crystal clearly have wanted for many years and still want is to negotiate peace with Russia and to stop all the corruption.

NATO+Biden+Zelensky+Propagada/lies = Americans grossly misled to believe the complete opposite of what's really happening in Ukraine!

Zelensky fails to oust Ukrainian commander-in-chief in embarrassing climb-down

Kyiv, Ukraine - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tried to dismiss Commander-in-Chief Valery Zaluzhnyi, but the general refused and others would not take his job, forcing a back-down, according to media reports

.https://www.tag24.com/topic/ukraine-conflict/zelensky-fails-to-oust-ukrainian-commander-in-chief-in-embarrassing-climb-down-3084122

Ukraine’s army is short of new troops to send to the frontline

https://www.euronews.com/2023/12/19/ukraines-army-is-short-of-new-troops-to-send-to-the-frontline

Putin tells Tucker Carlson Ukraine war can be ‘over in a few weeks’

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-tucker-carlson-ukraine-war-elon-musk/

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I thought the most interesting element to the interview was the buildup up by the US media.......bashing the heck out of Tucker and trying to destroy his credibility before he even went there.

Clearly, they were afraid that statements which damaged their 2 years of propaganda would come out and were taking pre emptive strikes before a word from Putin was ever uttered.

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Putin slams U.S. and Bill Clinton for deceiving Russia over NATO membership - as he trashes Biden, praises Trump and warns there's 'no stopping' his supersonic missile system

• Carlson's interview with Putin published Thursday on his website and X
• Former Fox host says Americans have a right to hear from him about Ukraine war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13063285/tucker-carlson-vladimir-putin-interview-russian-president.html

Putin sensationally claimed that the CIA blew up the underwater Nord Stream pipeline in September 2022.

The gas pipelines were built to carry Russian natural gas to Germany and the cause of their destruction has been the subject of much speculation.

The attack came as Europe attempted to wean itself off Russian energy sources following the Kremlin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and contributed to tensions that followed the start of the war.

The blasts knocked out three of the four strands of the pipelines, essentially destroying the main energy link between Russia and the West.

In the interview, Putin was unequivocal in laying the blame squarely on the shoulders of the CIA.

When Carlson asked who was responsible, Putin replied: 'You', in reference to the US.

'I was busy that day. I did not blow up Nord Stream,' Carlson joked.

'You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi,' Putin replied.

When pressed why he  did not present evidence of Western involvement Putin suggested that it would have been futile in the face of US 'propaganda'.

'It is clear to the whole world what happened then. Even American analysts talk about it directly. It's true,' Putin.

Blame was initially pinned on the US, Russia, the Ukrainian secret services and an unnamed businessman in Ukraine. All three countries have vehemently denied responsibility.

The strongest suspicion has long fallen on Ukraine, which would most benefit by cutting off Russia's valuable energy outlet

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Gee, who to believe on the Russian natural gas pipeline being blown up (-:

 The obvious culprit based on the capability, circumstantial evidence and analysis that totally supports what PUTIN tells us or the absurd, fake leak propaganda/nonsense, blaming Ukraine which didn't even have the capability and did it behind Zelensky's back......but Biden knew about 3 months in advance.

Biden ‘knew of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream’ three months before explosion

Washington Post reports that European intelligence service told CIA Ukrainian military was planning attack

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jun/06/biden-knew-of-plan-to-attack-nord-stream-three-months-before-explosion

"The Washington Post report was based on a larger leak of secret documents that was shared by a a US armed services member on the chat platform Discord"

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I'm no Putin fan and he's a ruthless, evil man but the truth is the truth and the supposed "good guys" have blatantly defiled the truth based on my objective, independent  analysis of the authentic facts/evidence, so many hundreds of times on the war in Ukraine that is seems almost impossible for Putin to have done so even more than that. 

Again, here are THE FACTS:

                Re: Re: Biden's speech 10-19-23                                                  By metmike - Oct. 19, 2023, 10:57 p.m.      

Elon Musk says the US should stop sending aid to Ukraine as there's 'no way in hell' Putin will lose

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-end-ukraine-aid-no-way-hell-putin-loses-2024-2

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Ukraine never had a chance but lost for sure last Summer. Over half their army is dead or incapacitated. There's no point in continuing except to enrich the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex in the US and to keep psychopath puppet, leader of one of the most corrupt country's on the planet (made more corrupt by the war enriching Zelensky's henchmen) in charge. When the war ends and he allows elections again, he'll be defeated in a landslide(but he won't run, he will be chased out with his tail between his legs) BIDEN IS TRYING TO AVOID THIS BEFORE THE US ELECTION.

Our bought and paid, pathetic excuses for human being, politicians just flushed another 60 billion dollars of our tax dollars(that we need at home) to do their part for the bribes they get from the lobby interests completely funding their actions.

Almost everything that we've been told about this war has been a big lie from the get go. I've been showing this for 2 years now.

Nato could face Soviet-style mass army within next decade, intelligence warns

https://www.forces.net/operations/estonia/nato-could-face-soviet-style-mass-army-within-next-decade-intelligence-warns

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Complete RUBBISH propaganda to scare people to support the war which has already been lost. Putin is NOT going to invade NATO countries after peace is negotiated in Ukraine.

Senior US official warns of security threat amid reports of Russian nuclear capability in space

Republican House intelligence chair, Mike Turner, says Biden officials should declassify information about threat, while House speaker Mike Johnson says there was no need for panic

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/mike-turner-national-security-threat

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Just more propaganda and manufacturing fake news by our lying politicians to try to waste another 60 billion in Ukraine by crying "Russia, Russia, Russia!!" again. 

Russia is NOT going to blow up our satellites in space with their nuclear weapons. 

Russia is NOT going to invade Europe/NATO countries if we don't defeat them in Ukraine.

However, our politicians and the dishonest, colluding media will make up all sorts of stories to tell us otherwise to support our war with Russia, using Ukraine and Ukrainians to fight it, while we supply the weapons/support.

This proves exactly that they can't legitimately justify flushing another 60 billion tax payers money down the Ukraine toilet.

If they could, they would have used the real world justification. Instead, they had to concoct the Russian nuclear weapons in space baloney to scare people into thinking the best way to fight against this is..............to send another 60 billion to fight against Russia.

No matter that Russia won the war many months go. Half of Ukraine's military got obliterated and they don't even have the army left or people in reserve to win, regardless of how many weapons we send them.

THAT DOESN'T MATTER because NATO/Biden do not want peace with Russia. They want to fight Russia, just like this, down to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldier’s blood. Their conniving propaganda and thirst for a never ending war with Russia with no empathy for human beings, using Ukrainians as pawns to accomplish a political agenda is diabolical………yet they convincingly sell themselves as good fighting evil.

Tell me now, if you disagree. What good did they do for Ukraine the past 2 years?

hundreds of thousands dead and millions of family members devastated.

Millions in the country displaced with massive poverty.

A $trillion in damages.

Ukrainians we’re not the ones that wanted to fight this war to join NATO. This has always been  Zelensky, Biden and NATO’s war.
That’s why they elected Zelensky based on his campaign promise  to negotiate peace with Russia and stop widespread corruption.

Instead, he became a traitor to his promise and traitor to his people After Biden turned him into a NATO puppet to fight THEIR war with Russia/Putin.

Traitor Zelensky was elevated by our despicable war  propaganda To a great hero, traveling constantly to all the NATO countries to generate support for NATOs war at the expense of his poor people that he used to become a global super star celebrity.

A charismatic actor by profession, now playing the greatest role of his life. Pretending to be fighting for Ukrainians, while completely selling them out on his promise to negotiate for peace.

Massively increasing corruption from the many billions of dollars gushing into his country without accountability.

And the US taxpayers subsidized all this corruption and senseless killing/destruction, thanks to our politicians being bought and paid for by the Military Industrial complex. …..NOT working for the American people.

Biden and our politicians  are doing everything possible to flush another 60 billion down the toilet for THEIR war.

None of them are calling For peace …..just an endless war with Russia because we can never let Russia win, according to them.  using Ukrainians, even as Ukraine is running out of brave soldiers to go on suicide missions to sacrifice their lives as pawns for the political agenda of Zelensky, Biden and NATO.

What Ukraine wants is peace with Russia!!

They have always wanted peace with Russia.

Stop doing this to them!

The United States has a crushing budget deficit and can’t pay our bills. Think of all the good this massive amount of money could have done!

Instead, the enrichment of our politicians with lobby bribes and political agenda is driving this diabolical dynamic.

The elites and gatekeepers that control the dynamics are greatly enriched while the Ukrainians they pretend to be supporting are totally decimated!

The citizens of the United States are also used to pay for it all.

If they get another  60 billion, the total amount we spend to obliterate Ukraine will come out to an average of more than $2,000 for each tax paying household!!

Is this really what we wanted to spend that much of our money on?

If we knew the truth, nobody would want a cent sent for this agenda.

To help Ukrainians?  Heck yes, SOME money can be justified to help them…….ironically to assist them in recovering from what our politicians just did to decimate UKRAINE.

But first, we MUST stop the flow of massive money going to further decimate Ukraine which this 60 billion Iis intended to do by depriving them of the peace that Ukrainians pray for every day.

Hundreds of new propaganda articles the last day about Russia developing a new secret weapon to take out our satellites in space to scare us and get the additional 60 billion to kill more people and Make sure the war doesn’t end.

Not one of them telling the truth and using critical thinking.

what would reduce the risk of this and other embellished theoretical threats with  Russia the most and what will elevate the threats, including legit cyber security risks?……...Continuing the war with Russia as long as possible? Or Peace?

what will kill the most people and what will kill the least amount of people?….Continuing the war with Russia? Or peace?

What will destroy the most of Ukraine and  what will start the recovery? ……Continuing the war with Russia? Or peace?

What would best help Ukraine, one of the most corrupt countries in the world to fight corruption? ……..Continuing to gush billions into the country that has greatly amplified the corruption………or to stop the flow of that money with peace resulting?

What will cost the US taxpayers the least and what will cost us the most amount of money? Continuing the war with Russia? Or peace?

All no brainer answers!

But none of those questions and answers matter. This is the one Getting all the weighting.

What will benefit NATO, Zelensky, Biden and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex the most?…….continuing the war with Russia? Or peace?

Thats why those gatekeepers are continuing their war in Ukraine. Self serving political agenda and personal enrichment!!

More on the leaked, secret, national security threat that was used as a press release of more propaganda that was timed to get another 60 billion to continue the war that can never end with Russia.

National security warning reportedly involves Russian space weapon

                Feb 14, 2024 6:50 PM ES

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/national-security-warning-reportedly-involves-russian-space-weapon

"One of the handful of members of Congress with the most access to America’s secrets warned of a "serious national security threat" on Wednesday."

The source of this, was none other than:

"Now, that public statement that you just referred to right there was from Mike Turner, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. You see him right there. He is a voice for stronger national security, especially for Ukraine, which itself right now is facing serious threats from Russian electronic warfare."

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Russia is developing nuclear capability to threaten satellites, source says                                              

                Updated February 15, 20246:54 AM ET              

         https://www.npr.org/2024/02/15/1231594952/russia-national-security-threat-space-nuclear

           Nuclear weapons might offer an advantage. In 1962, before the Outer Space Treaty went into force, the U.S. detonated a 1.4 megaton nuclear weapon high above the Pacific Ocean in a test known as "Starfish Prime."            

The weapon created an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that disrupted electronics and communications and was powerful enough to knock out streetlights in Hawaii, some 900 miles away. The test also created an artificial radiation field that damaged numerous satellites in low Earth orbit in the following days and weeks.

   Such a weapon could potentially damage a satellite constellation like Starlink, says James Acton, co-director of the Nuclear Policy Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.  

"There is a pretty significant threat from high-altitude nuclear explosions to satellites," he says. "Nuclear weapons would be a much more efficient way of trying to destroy them."  

On the other hand, he says, such an indiscriminate weapon would likely destroy many satellites, not just the intended target.

   "That's going to have a ton of other repercussions on all the Russian satellites and all of China's satellites," Weeden says. "And I'm pretty sure the Chinese are not going to be happy about that."

   Weeden believes it might be more likely that Russia is developing a space-based nuclear reactor, which could in theory be used to power electronic warfare equipment in orbit.

   Russia has been working to develop high-powered space-based nuclear reactors in recent years, with speculation that it might be used for space-based electronic warfare. The idea would be that the reactor would be used to power some sort of jamming device or other weapon that could disable satellites, Weeden says.

   The U.S. military has been investing in space-based nuclear power as well in recent years. The Air Force doled out several tens of millions of dollars last year as part of its Joint Emergent Technology Supplying On-Orbit Nuclear power (JETSON) High Powerprogram. Some of that money is going toward developing nuclear power sources for future trips to the moon and Mars, but other parts appear to be developing high-power applications for orbit. And the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has also partnered with NASA to develop a nuclear-powered rocket for deep space exploration.

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Ironically, this propaganda is being used to fund another 60 billion to keep the ongoing war with Russia(that was already lost) going indefinitely or at least thru the election so that Biden isn't held accountable for what this war actually did. It made things much worse and at an astronomical cost.  It's the polar opposite of what we should be doing and is extremely COUNTER productive.

The correct course of action needed by honest politicians making smart, objective decisions to benefit everybody but them to this threat is:

1. Negotiate peace with Russia to lower the threat.

2. Instead of flushing another 60 Billion down the toilet to obliterate Ukrainians and keep the lost war going endlessly for agenda and self enrichment........PUT THAT MONEY TO GOOD USE  FOR THE UNITED STATES TO FURTHER ADVANCE OUR OWN TECHNOLOGIES IN SPACE!!!!

What Would Happen If A Nuke Exploded In Space?

Written by John StaughtonLast Updated On: 19 Oct 2023Published On: 5 Mar 2016

https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/happen-nuke-exploded-space.html

https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/what-would-happen-if-a-nuclear-bomb-was-detonated-in-space

The nonsense about Russias nuclear threat in space continues unabated from the dishonest, agenda driven lack of critical thinking and propaganda specializing media.

The media, colluding with our corrupt, self serving politicians are destroying our countries IQ.

The war in Ukraine is the quintessential example of 2 years of complete lies, stealing our intelligence to manufacture a false  picture and fake realities…..day after day…..to justify an endless war.

People have become dependent on the same news sources to tell them the news everyday. Those sources know that they dont get scrutinized or fact checked and can boost ratings by covering Issues with the interpretation that people want to hear. 

The vast majority of people believe in numerous things that are completely false.

And they all line up with their political affiliation/ideologies And they all go to places with like minded people…..echo chambers…..to find out what they should know.

Which is always what they WANT to believe which is what’s making them so vulnerable to the diabolical charlatans selling convincing sounding snake oil to control Them.

And those people are convinced tht its the ones that disagree with them that are being brain washed……not them.

This nonsense Russian space threat is war propaganda item number 104. 1 for every week that the war started 2 years ago.

The Basic Principles of War Propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_Principles_of_War_Propaganda

‘Everyone needs to calm down’: experts assess Russian nuclear space threat

Attacks in Earth’s orbit as likely to damage Russian interests as western ones, says leading academic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/15/experts-russian-nuclear-space-threat

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Sincere/honest people that have a just cause based on authentic, powerful evidence and reasoning, use that powerful evidence and reasoning to support that cause.

They would never stoop to this nonsense propaganda and making things up if they had the truth and powerful, CONVINCING evidence already to support the position. 

For example, if a prosecutor has fingerprints, eye witnesses and DNA to support his case against a suspect charged in a crime, he would NEVER completely make up things to try to get a conviction?

The ONLY time an entity stoops to using those tactics(making up fake evidence)  is because they DON'T HAVE anything better. When they use FAKE evidence, it proves they don't have the truth...........or they would use the TRUTH. Of course they would. 

These corrupt politicians and media have almost never used the truth about the Ukraine war. This space threat is just 1 more example of a manufactured/exaggerated reality to substitute for the truth when it comes to Russia/Ukraine.

ThomasSowell Interview , "Social Justice Fallacies"            

        Started by cutworm - Dec. 18, 2023, 6:19 p.m.            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/101353/

“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.”

D guests on CNN this afternoon were all fuming at the Rs for not approving another 60 billion to kill Russians and Ukrainians and delay peace for Ukraine(which is what Ukrainians want-its the US/NATO/Biden and Zelensky that want the war to never end).

1 guest insisted "This money is not to fund the Ukrainian war, it's for American jobs!!"

He sited some places where bombs and military equipment are made and told viewers those people will lose their jobs if we don't spend this money to keep their business going.

BINGO!

 But he left out the vast majority of the rest of the story.

It's true that our defense contractors are a huge, American business that employs Americans.

But labor is less than 30% of the cost and tax payers pay that 30% and the other 70%.........ALL the cost. Then we ship the product to foreign countries for corrupt wars and endeavers because this enriches the Military-Industrial complex and our politicians but yes, there are American jobs in that business.

But we might as well take 60 billion of your hard earned tax dollars to pay them to dig holes, then fill them up because that's what we have when its over.............NOTHING when we give it away.

I'm extremely for us using 60 billion more on defense spending THAT STAYS HERE FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES. 

Not only has all of our money resulted in ZERO benefits, ZERO to Ukraine, ZERO to the United states, ZERO to the rest of the world..... outside of the military-industrial complex and the bought and paid for politicians, like the ones on CNN

It has resulted in a astronomical number representing damages to the ZERO benefits. All those 600,000 dead have families that suffered losses FOR OUR WAR. They sell it to us as needed to SUPPORT UKRAINE.  Ukraine wants peace for Pete's sake, we are the exact reason for them to NOT HAVE PEACE. 

We are the ones that want the war to continue indefinately and will not negotiate for peace.

Stop this insanity and enrichment of diabolical people that have all the power, that punishes the 99.9% rest of us and give Ukrainians the peace they've been asking for. 

And stop the flow of money that has ramped up corruption in one of the most corrupt country's in the world.

That's the other thing Ukrainians voted Zelensky in for (He promised negotiating peace with Russia)  He promised to stop corruption. Corruption has INCREASED thanks to the war. He is a very corrupt person that has betrayed his people and his promises and its HIS war not what Ukrainian citizens want. 

MIKE ~ "It has resulted in a astronomical number representing damages to the ZERO benefits. All those 600,000 dead have families that suffered losses FOR OUR WAR. They sell it to us as needed to SUPPORT UKRAINE.  Ukraine wants peace for Pete's sake, we are the exact reason for them to NOT HAVE PEACE. "

TWO WORDS COME TO MIND :  USEFUL IDIOTS

The hatchet of war

A FAIRLY LONG READ

Thanks much, Jean!

Not that long at all and makes great points.

Every legit signal we get tells us the NATO, Biden and Zelensky want to continue the war as long as possible, at any cost to Ukraine, the United States and the world.

The objective is to hurt Russia/Putin. 

So far, they have managed to hurt/damage him but the cost has been a trillion times greater than any benefits outside of the corrupt elites and damage to Russia.

We've caused Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and a few others to be our enemies.

Only people deranged and delusional that have diabolical political agenda's, proceed with a  foreign policy that greatly increases their adversaries and enemies in an increasingly dangerous world.

The corrupt military industrial complex is bribing our very corrupt politicians is what's driving much of it in our country.

Israel is doing the same thing in Gaza.

Netanyahu insists that he's destroying the enemy while he increases his enemies X 100!

The real enemy is Netanyahu.

Putin is without a doubt an evil person but the real enemy is.........ourselves!

https://buttonmuseum.org/buttons/we-have-met-enemy

The Ukraine aid that House Republican leaders are blocking might actually be good for the US economy

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/the-ukraine-aid-that-house-republican-leaders-are-blocking-might-actually-be-good-for-the-us-economy/articleshow/107804513.cms
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Dang, we couldn't scare people enough with the Russia will have nuclear weapons in space nonsense, so let's twist it into us giving away 60 Billion to Ukraine from tax payers and increasing the debt which is destroying our future........into it being good for the economy with completely retarded logic.

Like I said yesterday. Why not just use 60 billion in our taxes to pay people to dig holes and pay other people to fill in the holes to create jobs.

There's nothing left when they finish and our country is in debt by an additional $60,000,000,000

At least digging and filling holes wouldn't have killed 600,000 people(maybe kill worms) obliterated Ukraine, resulted in global inflation, hurting poor countries/people the most and caused our adversaries, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea to unite against us(and become our enemies).

Spend 60 billion on OUR self defense and that's a wonderful, productive use of the money that leaves us with something worthwhile for the money!!!

How Russia has avoided bankrupting itself after 2 years of waging war in Ukraine

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-how-moscow-pays-war-economy-afloat-sanctions-ukraine-2024-2

One critical reason Russia's economy is still ticking is because of the location of the war.

"The war is being fought largely on Ukrainian land, and destroying largely Ukrainian homes, businesses, and farms such that the direct impact on Russian productive capacity and households has been comparatively limited," said Malik.

Consider the impact of the war on the economies of both Russia and Ukraine.

In 2022, the first year of the war, Russia's economy contracted 1.2%,according to official statistics. Analysts polled by Reuters expect Russia's GDP to have risen 3.1% in 2023.

In comparison, Ukraine's GDP plunged 29.1% in 2022 and the country's central bank forecast the country to have grown 4.9% in 2023.

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Who are we hurting the most in our war with Russia, using Ukraine? Russia or Ukraine?

Answer: Ukraine by an extremely wide margin. The country that we claim to be supporting, despite  Ukraine being crystal clear for years that what they want most is to negotiate peace with Russia to get rid of the widespread corruption in it's government(the ENTIRE reason that they elected Zelensky who promised that).

So we gave them the polar opposite of what they want. A country decimating war and massive increase in corruption from billions of free money gushing into the country without being properly vetted. 

For sure we are hurting Russia, the objective but we are destroying Ukraine, killing Ukrainians and doing the opposite of helping Ukraine.

Zelenskyy reveals agreements with several countries on security assurances 

Munich, Sun, February 18, 2024

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-reveals-agreements-with-several-1708289298.html

"We have three agreements. Today we had a conversation with several other countries, and we have an agreement on security arrangements. We even specified some nuances where there were questions or disagreements. Several more deals have been agreed upon. We will increase these security assurances," Zelenskyy said in an interview following his participation in the Munich Security Conference.

Zelenskyy also noted that the Ukrainian and American teams are already working on an agreement between Ukraine and the United States.

"There have already been two stages of negotiations.

According to Zelenskyy, the agreement with the United States is a very important, completely different, additional assistance that Ukrainians will be able to count on, not for a year or two, but for 10 years. However, the ten-year term of the security assurances agreement, the president added, does not mean that the war will continue in Ukraine during this time.

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Bingo!

This is exactly what Putin said was going on and what this war is all about. Keeping Ukraine out of NATO, that's been the aggressor for several decades. These countries are getting Ukraine into NATO thru the backdoor with sneaky alliances with individual countries.

Here it is again:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#101798

Germany Issues Ominous Warning About Attack on NATO Country

https://www.newsweek.com/germany-russia-nato-pistorius-1871150

metmike: The comments under the article tell us how effective this complete nonsense propaganda is for capturing non critical thinking brains.

At least this person made an  extremely rational comment!

LexingtonConcord1775

9 hours ago

"President Joe Biden has blamed the fall of the Donetsk city of Avdiivka on Saturday on the stalled $60 billion aid package for Kyiv."

Really? What's his excuse for the fall of other parts of Ukraine and the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians when the money was rolling in? It's a fleecing of America. That's all it is. Corruption.

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metmike: NATO is corrupt to the core. These current events have caused me to look closer at NATO. The more I objectively look, the uglier NATO gets.

How Corruption Undermines NATO Operations                    

Members and partners must do better at spotting and stopping corruption in the field

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2015/12/how-corruption-undermines-nato-operations/124148/

Over the past year and a half, we at the Defence and Security program at Transparency International ranked NATO member and partner states’ vulnerability to corruption on a scale from A (low risk) to F (critical risk). We found surprisingly high vulnerability across the 32 governments’ military operations, which received, on average, a grade of D.

Defense One                     

AllSides Media Bias Rating™: Center

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 https://www.defenseone.com/about/?oref=d1-nav    

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NATO is doing MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more harm to the world than good.    

27 Jun 2022, 10:28

NATO number one threat to global peace, says French politician

https://tass.com/world/1472089

PARIS, June 27, 2022. /TASS/. NATO is the biggest threat to global peace since it is pushing the European Union toward confrontation with Russia and China and is seeking to destroy the "buffer zone" by forcing neutral states to take sides in this confrontation, a French member of the European Parliament told TASS on Monday.

"Thanks to widespread NATO propaganda, it is becoming clear that the organization, which was once described by [French President] Emmanuel Macron as brain dead, is morphing from a trans-Atlantic alliance into a global structure," Herve Juvin, a member of the European Parliament’s Subcommittee on Security and Defence (SEDE), said ahead of a NATO summit due to be held in Madrid on June 28-30.

Polish farmers dump grain in protest as Ukraine dispute deepens

Volodymyr Zelenskiy accuses Warsaw of ‘mockery’ as farmers blockade Ukrainian grain at border

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/20/polish-farmers-dump-grain-in-protest-as-ukraine-dispute-deepens

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Zelenskiy said only 5% of Ukraine’s agricultural exports went through Poland and complained that the slowdown was undermining “solidarity” on a daily basis. The two countries, plus anyone who cared “about the fate of Europe”, needed to resolve the problem, he added.

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No, No, No! This is all about NATO getting Ukraine or NATO not getting Ukraine.

Must listen to from Rand Paul!

'You Want To Put Ukraine First?': Rand Paul Explodes At Democrats And Republicans Over Foreign Aid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRe09GjSoyc

Excellent discussion!

Douglas Macgregor reaction to Russia-Ukraine Catastrophe and Tucker Carlson Putin Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRb5-_790wY

Tucker Carlson 2/25/24 | Tucker Carlson Tonight February 25, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEwrMiMBbY

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Ukraine already lost this war many months ago. PLEASE.........STOP OBLITERATING THEM FOR NATO/BIDEN!

Ex-CIA: US Pentagon TERRIFIED Over New Russia Strike Plan On Ukraine

24 MINUTES

Nato chief says it is inevitable Ukraine will join defence alliance  

Western leaders pledge to support Kyiv on second anniversary of Russia’s invasion as doubts over US aid mount

https://www.ft.com/content/3f7fd1cf-56f5-40ad-935f-839d76fd1e9c

The Nato chief said on Saturday that Russian President Vladimir Putin “started this war because he wanted to close Nato’s door . . . but he has achieved the exact opposite: Ukraine is now closer to Nato than ever before”. He said Nato was helping Kyiv to make its forces “more and more interoperable” with the defence alliance and would open a joint training and analysis centre in Poland.  “Ukraine will join Nato. It is not a question of if, but of when,” he insisted.

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This is exactly what I've been saying for almost 2 years. This is all about NATO getting Ukraine for THEIR political, strategic and military objectives to destroy Russia. 

Here it is again:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#101798

This is not about freeing Ukraine, which currently isn't even practicing democracy with elections not being allowed (because Zelensky would lose by a landslide).

We're forcing things on Ukrainians THAT THEY DON'T WANT but NATO/BIDEN DOES.

Ukrainains have always wanted negotiations with Russia to obtain peace. NATO/Biden turned Ukraine traitor/betrayer Zelensky into their puppet and he STOPPED negotiating for peace because NATO promised him they would defeat Russia on Ukrainian turf.

Ukrainians also elected Zelensky because he promised to stop corruption. He, NATO and the United States massively INCREASED CORRUPTION by gushing free money in that their corrupt government has been siphoning into their pockets.

STOP FLUSHING US TAX DOLLARS DOWN THE TOILET FOR THIS 100% COUNTERproductive endeavor.

We read/heard about the fake Russia soon having nuclear weapons in space threat to obliterate our satellites with........while the United States does everything possible to make Russia our enemy and give them every reason in the world to WANT TO HURT US!

NATO and the United States are doing everything possible to provoke Russia, hurt Russia and give Russia legit reasons to strike back at us.

WE ARE THE AGGRESSORS in many cases.

Who is seeking peace?

Even after losing this war to Russia already, they are adjusting the position here to bring Ukraine into NATO, which would automatically obligate NATO to send unlimited soldiers(including from the United States) and arms into Ukraine.

The Biden replacement must be defeated in November at any cost (if the replacement picks up where he left off) or we could have WW3 with Russia, China, North Korea and the Middle East and several others against us.

AND, FWIW... I READ SOMEWHERE THAT RUSSIA WANTS ALASKA BACK.   

This statement by the NATO chief is not new news

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/17/nato-chief-says-ukraine-decides-on-negotiations-following-backlash

 but is just making clear that  NATO(using the United States military power)  wants Ukraine........no matter what and that's what this is about.

Russia wants to keep Ukraine out of NATO........no matter what.

 This spells it out graphically again:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#101798

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Somebody, mainly a NATO representative has got to give in or this is the recipe for WW3. Russia has already won the war but NATO won't acknowledge that so plan B is to admit Ukraine into NATO and declare that Russia is invading a NATO country and in violation of NATO's

Trust me, that's exactly what the plan is.

And NATO, continues to push this complete  propaganda,  blatant lies which is what had initially generated so much support for Ukraine........but Americans have been waking up to the truth..........after 600,000 dead, global inflation, Ukraine obliterated, increase in our adversaries, Americans out 120,000,000,000, flushed down the political toilet when we are being crushed by debt and can't balance our budget or spend money on our own borders.

Setting the record straight

   De-bunking Russian disinformation on NATO

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

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This is a complete joke!

    Thomas Sowell Interview , "Social Justice Fallacies"                   Started by cutworm - Dec. 18, 2023, 6:19 p.m.            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/101353/

“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.”

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I showed you the indisputable, geographical evidence that NATO is lying:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#101798

Repeating the lie thousands of times doesn't make it the truth........or claiming that it's the truth because Russia is the source contracting it and we can never believe Russia.

HOGWASH!

There's only 1 person running for president that I would trust that can keep NATO under control and bring peace with Russia.

I would prefer Rand Paul or somebody like that..........but he's not running.

This is a profoundly important issue to every country on the planet. In this environment, there are so many things that can quickly escalate to catastrophic and no going back.

Russia is NOT going to let NATO have Ukraine. NATO was willing to get Ukraine obliterated because they want it.

Nobody is listening to what Ukrainians  actually want.

Negotiating peace with Russia and stopping the widespread, massive corruption of their political leaders.

Political leaders are determining what THEY want and manufacturing propaganda to convince people to go along with it. There's that political corruption biting poor Ukrainians again.

These poor people. My God, we killed off over half of their brave  army(on suicide missions for NATO), with millions of family members, wives, children, parents, brothers, sisters suffering the losses, and frickin NATO wants to kill off the rest of their army and NOT negotiate for the peace they've been pleading for.

Maybe Trump will listen and for sure be agreeable to peace with Russia which is WHAT UKRAINE WANTS THE MOST!

Slovak PM Drops Bombshell: NATO Members Discussing Sending Troops to Ukraine

https://www.financial-world.org/news/news/crimes/25120/slovak-pm-drops-bombshell-nato-members-discussing-sending-troops-to-ukraine/

If the Russians achieve their objective in Ukraine, the conflict could potentially spread to other nations.

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This is a blatant lie!!

Russia is not interested in intervening in countries that NATO has already taken over. They are lost forever. His entire deal is to stop the continuation of NATO countries spreading. He is trying to keep NATO from taking Ukraine! The only reason he will attack a NATO country is if NATO declares that Ukraine is a NATO country...............which appears to be their next plan after Ukraine lost this war to Russia.

"We have to stop Putin here or else he will be attacking European countries or NATO countries"...........complete hogwash based on the current situation.

However, if NATO continues to threaten Russia and sends NATO troops to Ukraine and fast tracks Ukraine into NATO..........we'll have WW3, in which case all bets are off.

In that case, Putin will be ramp up his attacks and direct them at NATO because NATO will have chosen to fight Russia directly in Ukraine.

"Robert Fico also spoke about the reasons why Russia started the war against Ukraine. He believes that if Ukraine becomes a NATO member, it could mean the beginning of the Third World War."

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Exactly!!!

NATO knows it and they have been  blatantly provoking a war with Russia for years.

Here's the article again from the previous post with NATOs propaganda.

Setting the record straight

   De-bunking Russian disinformation on NATO

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

NATO does not seek confrontation and poses no threat to Russia. The Alliance will continue to respond to Russian threats and actions in a united and responsible way.

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The United States, by an extremely wide margin has been the biggest supplier of weapons and support for NATO's war with Russia, using Ukraine. More than everyone else combined.

Where the US takes this is where NATO will be forced to go.

Biden or anybody replacing him on the November ballot with his policies MUST BE DEFEATED. There would likely not been a war with Russia right now had Biden not been elected.

It's extremely imperative to do this to lower the risk of WW3 and escalating beyond the point of no return.

Zelenskyy: It's up to US and Germany whether Ukraine will be invited to join NATO

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/25/7443654/

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Gee, I wonder what Biden will decide on NATO taking Ukraine???

CNN Exclusive: Biden says war with Russia must end before NATO can consider membership for Ukraine

Sun July 9, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/09/politics/joe-biden-ukraine-nato-russia-cnntv/index.html

1. NATO is a diabolical organization that needs to go because their corruption is too deep to fix.

2. They are intentionally trying to provoke a war with Russia. 

3. They have been taking over every country surrounding Russia with their long term strategy of destroying Russia.  Russia finally drew a line in the sand with Ukraine. THEY turned Zelensky into a NATO puppet via Joe Biden and STOPPED negotiations with Russia.....telling him that NATO is getting Ukraine....go  ahead and try to stop us.                                          https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100388/#101798

4. The United States/NATO have RDS=Russia Derangement Syndrome.

Putin is an evil guy for sure but they blamed Hillary's 2016 election loss on Russia's interference. Blamed Trump for colluding with Russia. Blamed Hunter's laptop on Russia. These completely manufactured, intentional lies by the Ds and US intelligence are a couple of the hundreds of  powerful political narratives intended to vilify Russia.

Then we wonder why there's an adversarial relationship with Russia????

How could Russia NOT be our enemy?? The United States and NATO are doing everything possible to poison the minds of people in their country's to hate Russia's guts and provoke war with Russia with gatekeepers constantly bombarding us with anti Russian propaganda. We lie many times more about Russia than they do.

5. This is intentionally taking us on a path leading to WW3 so that Russia can be destroyed. Look what they did, supposedly supporting Ukraine, in order for NATO to get Ukraine. 600,000 brave soldiers dead(both sides). Ukraine obliterated....half their army dead/incapacitated........with Ukrainians pleading for peace NOT NATO.  Increasing the massive corruption in Ukraine from free US money gushing into politicians pockets(gee, do you think they might all want more US aid to enrich them?). Stopping elections in Ukraine to keep puppet/dictator Zelensky in control and pretending that we are doing this to save Ukraine's currently fake democracy

6. Biden must be defeated and not by Nikki Haley who's a corrupt bought and paid for (by the Military Industrial complex) pro NATO cheerleader.

'I'm Never Nikki': Sen. Rand Paul Issues Anti-Endorsement Of Nikki Haley

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/im-never-nikki-sen-rand-182639029.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKIsc6T4_zXvVRmENPsscegUjxIccsbboKGAELYs0D64jCCz73LwnmQdCb93-s6nAQiAdNMmdI-bX-Gt9bAWfIPs12UpPY04LzZoxnMs1cTpDBAeTSTFObCgySi73rizkRXLj86ED_VDzilshK6vlo46pE2OyAD3jEulXaqv0IEj

7. There's only 1 person out of Biden, Haley and Trump that can stop this potentially catastrophic path towards WW3.

8. Objective, Independent, non party indoctrinated people like me have a choice in November. Do we want a mentally ill, off the charts politically devisive person that tried to overturn the 2020 election using diabolical schemes as president? Or do we want WW3? Continuing border crisis. Future economy killing energy policies wrecking the planet, using the ruse of "saving the planet"?? 

8.  Biden has his own mountain of evidence showing corruption as VP...which at this point, is trivial compared to what's at stake......our entire future..........the world's future.

9. What NY did to Trump(along with other US justice department and massive deep state corruption) and what the Ds are doing to their constituents ......forcing Biden on them despite Ds screaming that they don't want him......shows that we are already losing our democracy and Trump didn't cause it. 

Zelensky’s increasingly blunt comments about Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/27/trump-zelensky-ukraine-russia/

Volodymyr Zelensky has been one of intrigue and consequence from the start. What began with then-President Trump’s attempts to leverage Zelensky for political gain over Joe Biden in the 2020 election-the thing Trump was initially impeached for — has more recently involved candidate Trump’s efforts to kill two attempts at funding Ukraine’s defense against Russia’s invasion.

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1. It was a bogus impeachment because there's a mountain of evidence of Biden's massive corruption in Ukraine(using his position to fight corruption in order to exploit Ukraine's corruption to enrich the Biden family.

2. Trump is trying to kill Ukraine funding?

HECK YES! VOTE DONALD TRUMP TO STOP NATO AND STOP WW3!!!!!

Russia Advances in Ukraine With 'Staggering Magnitude' of Losses: Petraeus

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-advances-ukraine-staggering-losses-petraeus-avdiivka-1873354

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"defense agencies believe that Moscow has suffered some 300,000 to 400,000 casualties."

"President Volodymyr Zelensky this weekend admitted that 31,000 soldiers have been killed since February 2022, a rare admission of casualty figures,"

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Sure thing blatant propaganda source. Russia is having 10 times the causalities and no mention that its the country of UKRAINE getting obliterated NOT RUSSIA. 

No mention that this is entirely about NATO wanting to get Ukraine at any cost in its war against Russia and Russia is trying to prevent that.......at any cost.

No NATO, no war. Its that simple.

The 10 Basic Principles of War Propaganda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_Principles_of_War_Propaganda

In NATO’s Newest Member, ‘Total Defense’ Includes Teens and Retirees

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/in-natos-newest-member-total-defense-includes-teens-and-retirees-c0b4c27c

When Sweden joins NATO as soon as this week, the alliance will gain a solidly anti-Russian member with a robust military

The reason that we still have a war in Ukraine after Ukraine lost the war by all legit accounts........is that NATO does not want peace with Russia. Their objective is to destroy Russia. 

Let's get one thing straight. Putin is an evil guy and I do NOT support any of his policies or his invasion of Ukraine.

But that doesn't justify what NATO is doing, which is even WORSE than Putin. Using corruption and propaganda to accomplish their objective of destroying their enemy........Russia/Putin.

NATO is pretending to be the good guys but instead are  wolves in sheep's clothing.

Ask every person in Ukraine if they have it better now, compared to how they had it BEFORE NATO turned their president into a betraying (of his promises to negotiate peace with Russia and stop corruption)  puppet, Zelensky.

Anybody out of 10s of millions living in Ukraine that claims its better now or its what they wanted would be either lying or delusional.

LOOK WHAT NATO DID TO UKRAINE because they want to take Ukraine for THEIR political objective. NATO uses Russia's current bad politics  to justify NATO's corruption and tactics.

More imperialism mentality by the US and NATO that use this arrogant, superiority complex related to them being democracies that entitles them to doing their own diabolical things with impunity in the name of "spreading democracy". 

    NATO’s Confusion Over the Russia Threat

Scenarios and timelines for Moscow’s possible war goals in Europe are a veritable Tetris game of alliance planning.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/27/russia-ukraine-nato-europe-war-scenarios-baltics-poland-suwalki-gap/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism

Imperialism is the practice, theory or attitude of maintaining or extending power over foreign nations, particularly through expansionism, employing both hard power (military and economic power) and soft power (diplomatic power and cultural imperialism). Imperialism focuses on establishing or maintaining hegemony and a more or less formal empire.^[2][3][4] While related to the concepts of colonialism, imperialism is a distinct concept that can apply to other forms of expansion and many forms of government.

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                Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex            

                      Started by metmike - Jan. 31, 2024, 2:33 p.m.  

         https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102009/

Zelenskyy to partners: Political games that limit our defense will not be forgotten

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-to-partners-political-games-that-1709407357.html

Ukraine does not understand and will not forget internal political games or conflicts in partner countries, while Ukrainians are dying because of Russian aggression, states the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

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The arrogance of this diabolical, Ukraine betraying NATO puppet.

Shutting down peace negotiations with Russia that he promised his people in order to get elected, then after NATO recruited him,  telling Putin that Ukraine was joining NATO and provoking Putin to invade.

Being ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for half of his army being killed or incapacitated, 1 trillion in damages to his country, millions displaced, widespread poverty and economic losses and after the United States tax payers flushed over 100+ billion down his POLITICAL TOILET, he has the audacity to demand another 60 billion to keep his NATO war going forever to obliterate more of his country and kill more of his people(to weaken Russia) and THREATEN US WITH CONSEQUENCES IF WE DON'T COUGH UP THE DOUGH..........even as our own government struggles to avoid shutdowns because we can't fund ourselves.

He's greatly INCREASED corruption in Ukraine! He's also stopped democratic elections and wants the war to continue because Ukrainians, given the opportunity will vote him out of office ASAP!

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Here in the US and Western countries we are constantly bombarded with war propaganda that elevates the charismatic, corrupted actor, Zelensky as a great hero.

African leaders snub western puppet Zelensky

https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/african-leaders-snub-western-puppet-zelensky

Tamás Fricz: Zelensky, the puppet of the global elite

https://civilek.info/en/2023/09/19/fricz-tamas-zelenskij-is-the-brainchild-of-the-globalist-elite/

Zelensky 'Carrying Out Boris Johnson's Instruction to Fight to Last Ukrainian,' Former PM Says

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230520/ukraines-former-pm-reveals-how-zelensky-transformed-from-stage-actor-to-american-puppet-1110487778.html

Fox News Flash 

Zelenskyy's return to DC for more cash in Ukraine war a 'most disgraceful charade': JD Vance 

Zelenskyy returned to Washington as the White House calls for Congress to release more aid

https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyys-return-dc-more-ukraine-war-cash-disgraceful-charade-year-jd-vance

Ukraine Braced for Russian Disinformation Attacks on Zelenskiy

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-03/ukraine-braced-for-russian-disinformation-attacks-on-zelenskiy

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Translation: Get ready to blame the truth about corrupted NATO puppet, Zelensky on Russian Disinformation. Note the "anonymous" source.

France's Macron Urges Allies Not Be Cowardly on Ukraine

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-03-05/frances-macron-urges-allies-not-be-a-coward-on-ukraine

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From BEFORE the war that didn't need to happen this has ALWAYS BEEN about NATO getting Ukraine as they continue to provoke and threaten Russia and surround it with NATO countries...........and pretend to be a defensive pact.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/

Ukraine never had a  chance because there was never enough manpower for their army to defeat Russia which I insisted on 2 years ago. The math never worked!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97046/#97246

The propaganda and crimes of NATO are countless.

NATO/Biden committed a terrorist act against Germany and Europe by blowing up the Nordstream natural gas pipeline from Russia before Winter in 2022 to try to hurt Russia.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92953/

Biden send cluster bombs that were made illegal in over 100 countries, violating treaties agreeing to NOT use them because of the harm they do to innocent people.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100268/#100292

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Ukraine never had a chance to win the war.

Ukraine LOST THE WAR by every objective standard a very long time ago because half of their army was killed off or incapacitated. They have a near 0% of winning. It's over....................unless NATO decides to send troops to replace all the dead Ukrainians that were forced on suicide missions to fight NATO's despicable war against Russia to get Ukraine. Ukrainians don't want NATO they have always wanted peace.

NATO refuses to acknowledge any of this and plan D here is to PRETEND that they already have Ukraine and send NATO troops in.

Ukraine is a corrupt, political cesspool that stopped elections to keep Zelensky in office and to keep the free money from the US/NATO gushing into their corrupt government officials pockets.

The people of Ukraine have been used and  abused and decimated.

Pretending that we are supporting them when we did this to them is galactic lunacy that ranks at the top in the hall of shame.

Biden, leading the charge should get life in prison for the horrendous war crimes, 600,000 dead brave soldiers, 1 trillion in damages, global inflation and uniting our adversaries in addition to blowing up the natural gas pipeline, using cluster bombs.........to just name a few of the especially heinous items which come to mind.

Flushing 130 billion of our tax dollars down the Ukrainian toilet and insisted on stealing 60,000,000,000 more when he ignored OUR OWN border and OUR government is constantly threatened with shutting down because the United States can't fund itself.

Wake up people. These politicians are diabolical and only serve the military-industrial-political-media complex and schemes that enrich themselves with lobby/special interest money and power as well as political agenda.

Most of them(Rand Paul for instance, is an exception) DO NOT give a dang about Americans except for anything other than votes and vehicles to manipulate/brainwash to accomplish their diabolical agendas.

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Biden claims that we are destroying the planet with a beneficial greenhouse gas , CO2 that is GREENING UP the planet.

Then he blows up the Nordstream pipeline and causes the biggest instantaneous release of methane in human history.

Methane is 16 times more powerful as a greenhouse warming gas and NOT beneficial like CO2.

Global terrorism AND destroying the planet at the same time for his political agenda to hurt Russia.

All Zelensky had to do 2 years ago was continue negotiations with Russia and agree that Ukraine would not join NATO.......but NATO owns him for their agenda NOT the agenda of the Ukrainian people that have been decimated because of the traitor puppet.

We need to stop funding/sponsoring this lunacy.

It's one thing to spend money we don't have on an altruistic cause but the only thing missing in this debacle is killing off of our own brave soldiers........but now, some desperate NATO countries are trying to push for that because we killed off more than half of the brave soldiers in Ukraine, in order to kill off an equal number of brave Russian soldiers that had no choice in fighting this political war.

Each one of the 600,000 brave and now dead soldiers  had numerous family members that suffered catastrophic losses. Wives, children, parents.......siblings.

These ruthless elites don't care a bit about human beings. They dehumanize people and use them as disposable pawns.

They use propaganda and absurdly sell this endeavor as the United States supporting Ukraine.

The only people in Ukraine that the US has been supporting are the corrupt politicians benefiting from the increase in corruption and of course Zelensky.

EVERYBODY ELSE in Ukraine has been severely punished and used for NATO's objective.

Snap out of the propaganda trans/brainwash and try to start using some common sense/critical thinking.

And for Pete's sake, if Biden somehow manages to make it to early November, vote that SOB out of office!!!

All those things described above are bad enough but  NATO, deciding to send troops in because they won't give up on getting Ukraine and they don't want the war with Russia to end will almost certainty result in WW3 with an extremely elevated chance of unthinkable consequences.

Russia won by every standard. 

Russia is not going to offer the same thing that was on the table 2 years ago. They won, man!  No way they will not get the land they captured. 

The longer NATO waits to negotiate, the worse it will keep getting for NATO/Ukraine.......unless they send in troops......then, its not just Ukrainians being obliterated for sure but the United States that risks losing everything.

It's like our people in leadership positions are retarded! 

This is galactic lunacy to go to such extremes to pick a fight with an extremely powerful global adversary.

Provoking, provoking, provoking, vilifying, attacking, provoking.

This isn't North Korea or Iran. That 120 billion that went to Ukraine so far was to support Ukraine TO KILL RUSSIANS. 

The only reason that Russia has not struck  back at the US is because THEY WON THE WAR despite the US.

Now 60 billion more down the toilet? 

NATO troops?

And NATO keeps lying that if Putin wins in Ukraine, he will be coming for Europe next.

No, No, NO! Putin will only come for Europe IF NATO SENDS TROOPS TO UKRAINE and he will be doing it to FIGHT BACK AGAINST NATO!!!!!!

And that is WW3!!!!!!!

That is the only thing which will cause Putin to use nuclear weapons. We are working  hard to provoke Putin instead of having peace. 

He wants NATO to stop surrounding him and drew the line in the sand in Ukraine, which is part of the original Motherland, especially eastern Ukraine.

Zelenskyy reveals what could have changed course of Russia's war in Ukraine

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-reveals-what-could-have-changed-1709905067.html

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NATO countries sent this guy over 200 billion and guess what.........THEY STILL LOST THE WAR when the weapons were still coming in!

He got over half of his brave soldiers killed or permanently disabled. Russia had 3 times the army. He never had a chance and does not have enough manpower left now, no matter what weapons are sent.

As a chess coach for 3 decades, it's always looked like Russia was playing chess and would win from the get go, while Ukraine was playing checkers but NATO's propaganda kept convincing us to send more checkers pieces to get obliterated on the chess board...... with NATO doing nothing except getting Ukraine and Ukrainians obliterated and flushing 100+ billion US taxdollars down the corrupt Ukrainian/NATO toilet. 

Stop the lies.

Give Ukraine what they have always wanted PEACE WITH RUSSIA! NOT NATO!!!

Restore elections in Ukraine so they can boot Zelensky out of there ASAP and get somebody that will resume peace negotiations that he stopped in 2021 when NATO recruited this very charismatic, professional actor for their corrupt, traitor puppet that decimated his people and country for NATO and Zelensky's personal fame and adulation by the West. 

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How sad is it when Russian sources are telling the rock solid truth to contradict  the West/NATO's propaganda and lies. And if somebody like me states this? We're pro Russian..........How about pro TRUTH!

US Interested in Prolonging Ukraine Conflict, They 'Feed' Zelensky's Ego, Belarusian Leader Says

https://en.sputniknews.africa/20230818/us-interested-in-prolonging-ukraine-conflict-they-feed-zelenskys-ego-belarusian-leader-says-1061420988.html

Pope says Ukraine should have 'courage of the white flag' of negotiations

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/

America is exporting more arms than ever. Here’s why.        

Record arms exports are a sign of America’s commitment to Europe — and its foreign policy failures during the war in Ukraine.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2024/2/4/24059340/us-arms-exports-2023-ukraine-war-russia-gaza

US foreign military sales recently reached a record high, largely driven by Russia’s war in Ukraine.

The 2023 fiscal year, ending October 1, saw $80.9 billion in US government arms transfers, foreign defense services, and security cooperation — a figure up more than 55 percent from $51.9 billion in 2022

                Re:  The horrific Genocide ramps up                       

            America Is Leading the Global Arms Trade, but at What Cost?

https://chicagopolicyreview.org/2024/02/27/america-is-leading-the-global-arms-trade-but-at-what-cost/

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Top firms rake in millions lobbying for foreign nations on US defense budget

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2023/12/top-firms-rake-in-millions-lobbying-for-foreign-nations-on-us-defense-budget

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Defense Lobbying

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying?ind=D

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Over 500 Former Government Officials Are Now Lobbying for Defense Contractors

Dozens of armed services committee and Defense Department personnel swung through the “revolving door” in 2023.

https://truthout.org/articles/over-500-former-government-officials-are-now-lobbying-for-defense-contractors/

                  Warren: Hundreds of former feds working for defense corporations         

        Revolving-door practice gives 'at minimum, the appearance of corruption and favoritism,' report says  

https://rollcall.com/2023/04/26/warren-hundreds-of-former-feds-working-for-defense-corporations/

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 Reporting |                    Military Industrial Complex

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/09/02/top-defense-firms-see-2t-return-on-1b-investment-in-afghan-war/

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Defense Giants Spend Big on Lobbying and Elections to Boost Post-9/11 Profits

By Alex Kotch

September 15th, 2021

https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2021/09/15/defense-giants-spend-big-on-lobbying-and-elections-to-boost-post-9-11-profits/

As these five companies—Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon—earned up to $2.3 trillion in Pentagon contracts during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, they collectively spent a considerable amount, over $1.2 billion, on federal lobbying and campaign contributions, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics and analyzed by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD).

Macron considers two options for sending troops to Ukraine, says Ukrainian MP

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/15/macron-doubles-down-on-nato-deployment-in-ukraine.html

French President Emmanuel Macron has doubled down on the possibility of sending troops into Ukraine, a day before a key summit with Germany, which is staunchly opposed to the idea.

“We cannot exclude options,” Macron said in a joint interview with TF1 and France 2 TV on Thursday, when asked to revisit controversial comments made in late February. At the time, the French leader refused to rule out the prospective deployment of Western troops into Ukrainian territory — resulting in scorn from Russia and a backlash from Macron’s NATO allies.

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“We cannot exclude options,”.............except for the most important option as he steadfastly refuses to consider negotiations for peace. Instead, he insists on escalating to whatever is needed to continue the war with Russia......to infinity! No matter how thick the deceit and how many he has to hurt!

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Macron considers two options for sending troops to Ukraine, says Ukrainian MP

https://english.nv.ua/nation/french-troops-deployment-discussions-are-underway-but-numbers-and-location-not-yet-determined-50402876.html

Macron is "very determined," he said, adding that Paris is creating a coalition of allies that will likely include Poland and the Baltic states, and possibly other European countries.

 Read also: ‘We have made our position clear’: USA won’t be sending Ukraine troops, while France mulls it over

At the same time, Berlin is against the initiative, considering it an "unnecessary escalation" that could lead to global risks and direct confrontation with Russia

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Just another out of control world  leader elite that massively abuses their power for their personal political ideology with little regard to the  countless human beings that will greatly suffer, costing many lives of brave soldiers (in this case) that he use as pawns (and tax paying citizens he rips off with his deadly agenda) and many times that from the suffering of their families. 

Macron is "very determined," he said, adding that Paris is creating a coalition of allies that will likely include Poland and the Baltic states, and possibly other European countries.

 Read also:

 ‘We have made our position clear’: USA won’t be sending Ukraine troops, while France mulls it over

At the same time, Berlin is against the initiative, considering it an "unnecessary escalation" that could lead to global risks and direct confrontation with Russia

Macron doubles down on possible NATO deployment in Ukraine ahead of talks to bridge rift with Germany

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/15/macron-doubles-down-on-nato-deployment-in-ukraine.html

Peace

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