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Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-03-23/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/03/world/ihor-kolomoisky-ukraine-fraud-investigation-intl-hnk/index.html
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has dismissed all officials in charge of regional military recruitment centers amid a widespread corruption scandal
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KYIV — President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s move to equate wartime corruption with treason is triggering a backlash from officials and watchdogs, who warn the plan could hobble Ukraine’s main anti-graft forces.
Two senior officials following the proposal, who were granted anonymity to speak candidly, say concerns are growing within Ukraine’s anti-graft agencies that Zelenskyy’s plan will take top corruption cases away from their oversight and pass them to the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), which falls under the president’s command.
The SBU could, potentially, have the power to bury corruption cases involving top officials. The move, the officials say, could put Ukraine’s anti-corruption infrastructure under threat, and anti-corruption watchdogs are sounding the alarm.
Corruption scandals in Zelenskyy’s administration have drawn increased attention at the same time as the country is pushing to start membership talks with the European Union.
The deadline for Ukraine’s seven-step progress is approaching in October and the country, so far, has fulfilled only two steps
Though Zelenskyy personally has not been implicated in scandal, some 77 percent of Ukrainians think he is responsible for ongoing corruption in the government and local military administrations, according to a poll by the Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation think tank published at the beginning of August.
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One thing is clear – the political circle of Ukraine is heating up, and Zelensky’s grip on power is being questioned. Will he continue on his path toward dictatorship, or will the people of Ukraine have the last laugh?
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Zelensky has already killed off half of the Ukrainian army and caused 1 trillion in damages to his country. He insists that he will never negotiate with Russia as long as Putin is there. It seems hard to imagine that people would vote him back in.......but we can't know because he's not allowing the country to have democratic elections.
The retarded propaganda supporting this corrupt psychopath and his personal agenda at the expense of applying critical thinking and insisting on negotiations or peace is another example of how people can have their brains captured with messages they want to believe in.
Here's several examples:
1. The (most secure in history) 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump
2. We're saving the planet by cutting (beneficial) CO2 which is greening up earth (during this current scientific climate optimum for most life)
3. Joe Biden isn't corrupt. The Rs are just making it all up using Hunter (even though all the evidence shows that Joe is extremely corrupt)
4. COVID vaccinations kill more people than COVID.
5. Zelensky is a great leader (killing off his army and destroying his country for fame/agenda with NATO/Biden using him and Ukraine to host their war with Russia) as widespread corruption continues in this extremely corrupt country under his rule and democratic elections are banned/cancelled, which means the people don't have the opportunity to vote him out of office.......like they do in every real democracy.
Captured Brains
Started by joj - Aug. 18, 2023, 8:30 a.m.
The basic principles of warpropaganda
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/#93484
The basic principles of warpropaganda(Principes élémentaires de propagande de guerre) is a monograph by Anne Morelli published in 2001. It has not been translated into English. The subtitle recommends its "usability in case of cold, hot or lukewarm war" (Utilisables en cas de guerre froide, chaude ou tiède).
The ten "commandments" of propaganda which Anne Morelli elaborates in this work are, above all, an analytical framework for pedagogical purposes and for media analysis. Morelli does not want to take sides or defend "dictators", but show the regularity of use of the ten principles in the media and in society:
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September 4, 2023
https://www.dagens.com/news/ukraines-intelligence-service-vladimir-putin-is-missing
"Russian President Vladimir Putin has been missing for an extended period, according to Ukraine's intelligence service. Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine's intelligence, questions Putin's very existence in an interview with Radio Svoboda according to Dagens.se.
In the interview, Budanov states,
"Either he is not alive, or he is in a really bad health condition."
This isn't the first time Ukraine has questioned Putin's existence. In another interview, Budanov claimed that it's "common practice" for body doubles to replace the Russian dictator.
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky also questions whether Putin is alive.
"Today, I find it difficult to understand who I should actually turn to and talk to. I am not sure if it's Russia's president who occasionally appears on a screen. I am not sure if he is alive or who is making decisions in Russia," Zelensky told Ukrainian Pravda.
This development has created an atmosphere of uncertainty and speculation, not only in Ukraine but also internationally, about who is actually in charge in Russia and whether Putin is still alive."
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-dead-man-walking-vladimir-putin-solovyov-1823907
As the much-hyped counteroffensive against Russian forces stalls, the West is falling out of love with Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelensky.
https://www.newstatesman.com/the-weekend-essay/2023/09/ukraine-war-realists-right
"Eighteen months into the war in Ukraine the breathless hype that characterised early media coverage has curdled into doom. This is the deepest trough of despair that the wartime media has entered yet: the past month of reporting has given us new admissions about a war that increasingly appears to be locked in bloody stalemate, along with a portrait of Ukraine and its leadership shorn of the rote glorification and hero worship of the conflict’s early days. The deadlock has increasingly resembled brutal, unabating, First World War-style combat, with the Ukrainian army rapidly depleting artillery ammunition supplied by the West. Distant audiences, who always treated the war as a team sport, and Ukraine as an underdog defying the odds against a larger aggressor, are thinning out; surely many will soon turn their attention to the partisan conflict of the forthcoming US presidential election. Optimists say the change in the media’s tone is indicative of little more than the inevitable pendulum swings of war and that Ukraine may yet emerge victorious. But such a view elides a host of unavoidable realities."
"We don't want the Russia-Ukraine war to continue, it's very irrational," Lopez Obrador added, noting that the conflict has caused massive human suffering. "The only thing that benefits from it is the war industry."
"Lopez Obrador had outlined a separate peace plan last year, which Ukraine opposed, arguing it would have benefited Russia."
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Who honestly thinks that this will end soon and the result will be:
1. Russia completely withdrawing from Ukraine.
2. Russia agreeing with Ukraine joining NATO.
3. Russia agreeing to help foot the bill for the 1 trillion in damages to Ukraine.
4.. Ukraine, suddenly being transformed into a non corrupt country.
5. People exclaiming: "It was worth this and 500,000 dead for Ukraine to join NATO!"
This will NEVER happen and anybody that believes #5 continues to be deluded by war propaganda.
Ironically, many of the same people that clearly see the absurd, delusional, religious faith type belief of Rs in the idea that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, believe in some version of #5 right now!
joj nailed a huge part of the reason here:
Captured Brains
Started by joj - Aug. 18, 2023, 8:30 a.m.
Interfax reported that in the survey — which it said the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology carried out for the Ilko Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation think tank — 77.6% of surveyed Ukrainians said they believed that the president was "directly responsible" for the corruption. The report cited a statement by the think tank's executive director, Petro Burkovskyy.
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Gee, I wonder what would happen to Zelensky, if he lifted the ban on elections?
The MSM has continued with their BS narratives that Zelensky is vigorously fighting the corruption in Ukraine, every time more of it is uncovered. It will just take more time is the implication for this great, honest man to clean up Ukraine.
WRONG!
He was elected 4 years ago. This would be like Trump at the end of his term, in late 2020, blaming a widespread problem that got worse during his term.........on Obama.
The US, gushing money out to Ukraine has GREATLY INCREASED THE CORRUPTION!
There is an extremely strong correlation to our massive funding of the war in Ukraine with very little accountability for the money and blatant corruption in Ukraine.
If we didn't send any money, for instance, there would be no source for graft and other nefarious methods to steal the money for self enrichment of corrupt entities!
Ukraine has had a long history of corruption and corrupt VP Joe Biden (whose job was supposed to help eliminate corruption there) exploited that corruption with his partner and son, Hunter to enrich the Biden family.
Instead of trying to fix the corruption, Biden took advantage of it and made it worse. Look where we are today in Ukraine!
Is Biden responsible for the situation in Ukraine?
A big part of it, you're dang right he is!!!
Biden Firing Ukraine Prosecutor Clip
https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/110813/vivek-ramaswamy-ukraine-war-putin-china
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I love his objective but there's no way to get Zelensky to suddenly do a turnaround regarding negotiating any such deal. We enabled him the past 1.5 years and provided the needed resources to have our war against Russia using his people/country.
It will be interesting to see his response if/when the U.S. pulls the plug.
Biden, absurdly wants to flush tens of billions more down the toilet for this counterproductive endeavor., while continuing to NOT seek peace with negotiations.
https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/110723/Putin-propagandists-nuclear-strikes-US
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Nuclear War
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Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m.
Updated 48 mins ago - World
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/05/kim-jong-un-to-putin-russia-arms-meeting
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Beijing has pushed renminbi as alternative global currency to dollar
https://www.ft.com/content/96349a26-d868-4bd1-948f-b17f87cc5c72
From earlier this year:
"It's very troubling to see Russia and China cooperating on this," John F. Plumb, assistant secretary of defense for space policy, replied.
"They may have talking points around it, but there's no getting around the fact that breeder reactors are plutonium, and plutonium is for weapons. So I think the [Defense] Department is concerned. And of course, it matches our concerns about China's increased expansion of its nuclear forces as well, because you need more plutonium for more weapons," Plumb added
Providing weapons to Moscow for Ukraine war will not ‘reflect well on North Korea’, national security adviser says, amid reports of active talks
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This is the most messed up, horrendously damaging foreign policy administration in the history of the United States.
1. They got 500,000 human being killed
2. They displaced 8 million people in Ukraine
3. They caused 1 trillion in damages to Ukraine
4. They caused global inflation with food/energy shortages that are crushing poor countries, especially Africa
5. They've destroyed the credibility of the US as a country seeking peace and taking the moral high ground and replaced it with self serving political agenda and war to serve the almighty military-industrial complex that controls our politicians. Biden, sending cluster bombs banned in most countries because of what they do to innocent people was the wake up moment for the world on what really counts.
6. They've cost our country (which is being crushed by debt) an additional XXX billion dollars that has gone towards supporting something that has not made 1 iota of progress and has only done off the charts damages. Even if Ukraine could win, the damages are already 1 billion times greater than what they would get.
7. They spend no time trying to negotiate for peace, instead insisting absurdly that we will win the war on the battlefield..........even after killing off half of Ukraine's army.
8. They drove our most dangerous adversaries, Russia, China and North Korea into uniting against us. And now, the US sends laughable warnings to North Korean that they better not help Russia or else.
9. There continues to be an elevated risk of nuclear war that could destroy the planet and take everything that all of us have away in a flash but the risk can go to near 0 immediately...........any time that Biden decides to negotiate instead of insisting we defeat Russia on the battle field. https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/#98023
10. Contributed toward Ukraine's corruption. Money earmarked for supporting the war efforts has been stolen and used by numerous nefarious entities in Ukraine. Zelensky promised 2 things with his platform, running for election in 2018/19. 1. Peace with Russia. 2. Ending corruption. Instead of following thru with his fake promises he decimated his continued corrupt country to make himself a NATO/US hero.........and banned elections so Ukrainian's can't vote him out of office.
11. The latest is that Biden and company, instead of being able to comprehend how messed up this is with the multiple, simultaneous MEGA disasters they've caused (just read the list above, man) ......continue to push even harder with the disaster path.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/europe/antony-blinken-kyiv-ukraine-zelensky-intl-hnk/index.html
CNN —
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited Kyiv on Wednesday for his third trip to the Ukrainian capital since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion, where he doubled down on US support for Kyiv’s counteroffensive, announcing more than a billion dollars of additional US aid and underscoring for an audience back home why the US needs to commit billions of dollars more to help defeat Vladmir Putin
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C'mon MSM, do your job as journalists and sacrifice the ratings boost that war brings to your business and see the truth that even people with captured brains are finding harder and harder to ignore. Forget your agenda and politics and do the right thing for 99.9% of the world, including every person in Ukraine (except for Zelensky). Biden and company will only stop when the MSM and Ds stop enabling him and the American people say "enough is enough"!
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This is supposed to reassure us? Just great, the U.S. will be able to do their share of damage in a nuclear war, against nut cases that have the capability to destroy huge parts of the US if we have an exchange.
But that's ok. We'll be able to kill more of their people and destroy more of their country with our nuclear weapons, which by the way Russia leads the world in.
This is much better than negotiating for peace because if we did that, we would have to give Putin something that he wants.
Better to destroy Ukraine(which has already happened) and risk destroying the US and the world than to give Putin something, like an assurance that Ukraine will not be part of NATO.
Ukraine becoming part of NATO is much more important than anything else.
I predict that when Zelensky allows his people to vote again, if he allows a fair election, that he will be defeated. Maybe by a landslide.
Dozens of armed services committee and Defense Department personnel swung through the “revolving door” in 2023.
Prepared by Senator Elizabeth Warren
April 2023
Pentagon Alchemy:
How Defense Officials Pass Through the
Revolving Door and Peddle Brass for Gold
https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/DoD%20Revolving%20Door%20Report.pdf
III. Findings
A. Top Defense Contractors Hire Hundreds of Former Government Officials, Most
as Lobbyists. This analysis identified 672 cases in 2022 in which the top 20 defense contractors had
former government officials, military officers, Members of Congress and senior legislative staff
B. Defense Industry Consolidation Increases the Risks from Big Corporations Abuse
of the Revolving Door
The sheer size of America’s military budget provides ample and lucrative opportunities
for former government officials. Last year Congress gave the DoD over $851 billion in total
funding.19 The DoD is also the largest federal contracting agency: of the total $692.3 billion in
contracts awarded by the federal government in FY 2021, 61 percent were awarded by DoD
amounting to $386.9 billion.20 Almost 40 percent of this was awarded to just 10 defense
contractors.
C. Big Defense Contractors Hired the Most Revolving Door Lobbyists and Stocked
Their Boards Stocked with Government Officials
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The combined net worth of the 50 richest members of Congress is $4.8 Billion. With an annual salary of $174k, they would have to work 27,500 years to earn that much money. The highest positions of our government, on both sides of the aisle, are abusing their power for personal financial gain. How are we allowing this to happen?
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The test was to ensure the readiness of the United States' nuclear deterrent.
https://www.space.com/us-test-launches-icbm-vandenberg-september-2023
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Nuclear War
43 responses |
Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/
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"nuclear deterrent" my arse. The only nuclear deterrent with 100% effectiveness is negotiating for peace!
https://www.anews.com.tr/economy/2023/08/17/g20-host-india-confirms-ukraine-is-not-invited
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https://www.reuters.com/world/india-seeks-g20-consensus-by-noting-russias-views-ukraine-2023-09-07/
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The astronomical blowback from the US war with Russia, using Ukraine continues to escalate.
The Military-Industrial complex's main man, Joe Biden continues to insist on the relentless war instead of negotiations for peace.
The colluding MSM continues to push the war propaganda to make us think that almost the entire world is on the side of Ukraine and they are kicking Russia's ars and on the verge of winning!.
https://fair.org/home/report-shows-how-military-industrial-complex-sets-media-narrative-on-ukraine/
The Quincy Institute—whose own start-up funding came mainly from George Soros and Charles Koch—looked at 11 months of Ukraine War coverage in the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, from March 1, 2022, through January 31, 2023, and counted each time one of 33 leading think tanks was mentioned. Of the 15 think tanks most often mentioned in the coverage, only one—Human Rights Watch—does not take funding from Pentagon contractors. Quincy’s analysis found that the media were seven times more likely to cite think tanks with war industry ties than they were to cite think tanks without war industry ties.
With 157 mentions each, the top two think tanks were the Atlantic Council and the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Both of these think tanks receive millions from the war industry. The Atlantic Council has long been the brain trust of NATO, the military organization whose expansion towards Russia’s borders was a critical factor in Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine. (See FAIR.org, 3/4/22.) Both think tanks receive hundreds of thousands of dollars from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, companies which have already been awarded billions of dollars in Pentagon contracts as a result of the war in Ukraine.
CSIS was revealed in a New York Times expose (8/7/16) to produce content that reflected the weapons industry priorities of its funders. It also “initiated meetings with Defense Department officials and congressional staff to push for the recommendations” of military funders.
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https://fair.org/home/calling-russias-attack-unprovoked-lets-us-off-the-hook/
By December 2021, US intelligence agencies were sounding the alarm that Russia was amassing troops at the Ukrainian border and planning to attack. Yet Putin was very clear about a path to deescalation: He called on the West to halt NATO expansion, negotiate Ukrainian neutrality in the East/West rivalry, remove US nuclear weapons from non proliferating countries, and remove missiles, troops and bases near Russia. These are demands the US would surely have made were it in Russia’s position.
Unfortunately, the US refused to negotiate on Russia’s core concerns.
Instead of addressing Russian concerns about Ukraine’s NATO relationship, the US instead chose to pour hundreds of millions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine, exacerbating Putin’s expressed concerns. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy didn’t help matters by suggesting that Ukraine might begin a nuclear weapons program at the height of the tensions.
After Putin announced his recognition of the breakaway republics, Secretary of State Antony Blinken canceledtalks with Putin, and began the process of implementing sanctions on Russia—all before Russian soldiers had set foot into Ukraine.
Had the US been genuinely interested in avoiding war, it would have taken every opportunity to de-escalate the situation. Instead, it did the opposite nearly every step of the way.
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October 25, 2022 by Vijay Prashad
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/#98023
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Why the United States Seeks to Prolong the Conflict in Ukraine
https://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/why-does-the-united-states-seek-to-prolong/
At the same time, it is impossible not to see that the prolongation of the military crisis in Ukraine is fully in line with American military-political interests. In total, there are eight arguments in favour of the fact that the United States intends to prolong this conflict.
Finally, eighth, the goal of the United States in Ukraine is to kick-start its own reindustrialisation. An important goal is to scale up the military-industrial complex of this country.
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More evidence that that constant propaganda/DISinformation/lies that we get about Ukraine from our sources does NOT reflect the sentiment of much of the world.
2 days ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
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At this rate, Ukraine will regain most of it's territory in 500 years )-:
Half of Ukraine's soldiers have been killed or seriously injured, so future progress will depend on the US sending troops orrrrrr negotiations!
Look at the map above and think about Biden continuing to insist that we will defeat Russia on the battlefield. .......and insisting on sending 10s of billions more to support a war that is absolutely impossible to win based on any reasonable standard.
When you read the propaganda about Ukraine turning the tide and now winning the war.
Assuming that this map is not the usual distortion in Ukraine's favor.
Compare the purple(winning) to the red (losing) and try to imagine how the purple will spread out to replace the red with Ukraine now down to half an army and the counter offensive quickly diminishing their military by larger fractions because there's less and less soldiers left.
Every 1,000 lost now, is 2X the % left compared to the start of the war.
Soon, if not already is will be 3X the % left. Then 4X. Russia knows this. They can't lose a war of attrition. It's impossible for them to lose a war of attrition unless the US/NATO send 100,000+ troops in to start replacing the dead Ukrainians.
Want to see Americans turn even faster against the war?
Send our brave soldiers over there to die for a cause that has no benefits to our country or the world for that matter.
Many seem to be ok with 500,000 human beings dying so far to make the United States Military Industrial complex wealthy and adding to the crushing US debt. .......as long as those real human beings are just worthless foreigner pawns, who's lives don't matter to the great USA, that should be able to impose its agenda around the world with impunity.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/europe/zelensky-zakaria-interview-ukraine-putin-intl/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/11/politics/biden-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine/index.html
More recently, defense officials were wary of providing a system that the US does not have a ton of in its own fixed stockpile. How many the US has in its arsenal is classified, but providing hundreds of the missiles, which Ukraine has asked for, could undercut US military readiness, some Pentagon officials argued.Lockheed Martin, which produces the ATACMS, is currently manufacturing around 500 per year to fulfill current US Army contracts, a Lockheed spokesperson told CNN. Many of those systems have already been allocated to US allies other than Ukraine, however.
The transfer of the ATACMS would mark just the latest instance of the US reversing itself on providing a system after months of pressure. The Biden administration also resisted sending multiple-launch rocket systems, Patriot air defense systems, Abrams tanks, and cluster munitions – all of which were ultimately provided to Ukraine after extensive lobbying by Ukrainian officials.
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https://www.amazon.com/America-Brink-Foreign-Policy-Ukraine/dp/1949762726
The American government, through its media, has convinced most Americans to support the Ukrainian government. This books shows why this is a mistake: The United States promised Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward”; and there had been ample warnings, by George Kennan and others, that moving NATO eastward, especially moving into Georgia and Ukraine, would cause problems for Russia.
In Ukraine prior to 2014, Ukrainian and Russian speakers were coexisting tolerably well. But in 2013 and 2014, neocons in Obama’s administration engineered a coup, with help from neo-Nazis, turning Ukraine into a Russia-hating nation. The war in Ukraine began that year (not in 2022, when Russia attacked in order to protect the Russian-speaking regions under attack by the new coup government in Kiev).
Although this book is primarily about the war in Ukraine, it also shows how, in one sense, the war in Ukraine is simply one more instance in the trajectory of American imperialism. as illustrated by previous US interventions in Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Brazil, Greece, Dominican Republic, Panama and Iraq.
In another sense, this war reveals just how committed America is to maintaining a unipolar world order: Because this war illustrates that America is willing to threaten nuclear holocaust. it is almost as if people in the U.S. State Department and military believe that life is not worth living unless the US can control the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
Enlargement of NATO-below
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American Imperialism and the Crisis in Ukraine
http://www.kropfpolisci.com/PS250.Ukraine.CST.Sample.Paper.Khim.pdf
Abstract The aftermath of the Cold War has seen a fundamental restructuring of international politics in eastern Europe. The American-led military alliance NATO has expanded eastward into the territory of the former Soviet Union, inflaming tensions with the Russian Federation. Ukraine, a strategically vital country, has emerged as the focal point of these tensions. American interference in Ukraine, including a coup in 2014 that overthrew Ukraine’s government, caused a political crisis and civil war in the country that escalated into war between Ukraine and Russia in 2022. American interference in Ukraine’s affairs and promotion of NATO expansionism are the
result of its capitalist, imperialist economic structure dominated by a wealthy ruling class. The demands of capital, in particular the American arms industry, for the maintenance of existing imperial hegemony and relentless conquest of new markets have been the driving force of American aggression and militarization in Ukraine and eastern Europe.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/zelenskyy-warns-the-west-of-refugees-issues-1694425519.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/11/politics/biden-long-range-atacms-missiles-ukraine/index.html
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The claim in that article is that they will send the long-range missiles because Ukraine is promising to only use them in Ukraine, not Russia:
BUSTED(for the 100th time)
"The airport attacked in Russia’s Pskov region is located approximately 700km north of the Ukrainian border.
Ukraine’s Western allies generally forbid Kyiv from using weapons they supply to attack Russian territory, but they have also said that Ukraine has a right to attack Russian military targets with its own weapons where it sees fit to do so."
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Got it MSM war propaganda source. Zelensky will only use the more powerful US/NATO weapons for attacks in Ukraine and only use his weapons for attacks in Russian territory and there will be somebody in Ukraine(which is going to every extreme to fight the losing war) to make sure he adheres to that.
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Spin this anyway you want but the stone cold fact is that continued United States foreign policy catastrophic blunders related to our war with Russia, using Ukraine have 100% caused this pact, which unites and strengthens both of these adversaries.
This, after we forced a similar thing to happen between adversaries CHINA and Russia.
During a time when the negatives of the war outweigh the positives by a billion to 1 and it just keeps getting worse (except for enriching the Military Industrial complex).
War propaganda sure is powerful!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#98693
With war propaganda, you just manufacture the fake realities for people to believe.
https://mronline.org/2022/06/06/mapping-u-s-imperialism/
U.S. imperialism is the greatest threat to life on the planet, a force of ecological devastation and disaster impacting not only human beings, but also our non-human relatives. How can we organize to dismantle the vast and complicated network of U.S. imperialism which includes U.S. war and militarism, CIA intervention, U.S. weapons/technology/surveillance corporations, political and economic support for dictatorships, military juntas, death squads and U.S. trained global police forces favorable to U.S. geopolitical interests, U.S. imposed sanctions, so-called “humanitarian interventions,” genetically modified grassroots organizations, corporate media’s manipulation of spontaneous protest, and U.S. corporate sponsorship of political repression and regime change favorable to U.S. corporate interests?
This article deals with U.S. imperialism since World War 2. It is critical to acknowledge that U.S. imperialism emanates both ideologically and materially from the crime of colonialism on this continent which has killed over 100 million indigenous people and approximately 150 million African people over the past 500 years.
The exact death toll of U.S. imperialism is both staggering and impossible to know. What we do know is that since World War 2, U.S. imperialism has killed at least 36 million people globally in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, the Congo, Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Chad, Libya, East Timor, Grenada, Honduras, Iran, Pakistan, Panama, the Philippines, Sudan, Greece, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Somalia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Palestine (see Appendix).
This list does not include other aspects of U.S. imperialist aggression which have had a devastating and lasting impact on communities worldwide, including torture, imprisonment, rape, and the ecological devastation wrought by the U.S. military through atomic bombs, toxic waste and untreated sewage dumping by over 750 military bases in over 80 countries. The U.S. Department of Defense consumes more petroleum than any institution in the world. In the year of 2017 alone, the U.S. military emitted 59 million metric tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, a carbon footprint greater than that of most nations worldwide. This list also does not include the impact of U.S. fossil fuel consumption and U.S. corporate fossil fuel extraction, fracking, agribusiness, mining, and mono-cropping, all of which are part and parcel of the extractive economy of U.S. imperialism.
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How ironic, that Biden insists that we have a climate catastrophe from fossil fuel emissions and his war in Ukraine is one of the biggest emitters of CO2 and being used to KILL PEOPLE.
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This doesn't even count the 500,000+ dead in Ukraine because of our war with Russia, using Ukrainians to fight it.
You might wonder how in tarnation Americans put up with the decades of American sponsored atrocities around the world??? Our tax dollars and the U.S. Military- Industrial complex is responsible for most of this.
WAR PROPAGANDA! DISinformation about all these situations to justify our relentless. Imperialism! Ukraine is just the latest one. Tawian cannot be the next one.
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Is Taiwan next? Looks likely!
US estimates almost 500,000 Russian and Ukrainian military casualties in fighting in the conflict so far
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/18/ukraine-russia-war-battlefield-deaths-rise
Russia’s standing army is between two to three times larger than Ukraine’s, and the country has a larger population from which to replenish its frontline soldiers.
Ukraine has about 500,000 troops, while Russia has more than 1.3 million, the newspaper estimated, including reserves and Wagner paramilitaries.
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Ukraine is running out of soldiers for Zelensky and Biden to kill in THEIR war(sponsored by the U.S. military-industrial complex!!!
Forget this blaming Putin for everything propaganda crapola! We are responsible for OUR choices, not his.
This is 2023. We've had generations of lessons about wars, especially U.S. wars in this generation to have known much better. Putin, Zelensky and Biden should all be tried as war criminals because each of them have had the power to end this war from before it even started to this point on. Instead, all 3 are willing to do this in order to accomplish their political agenda.
The only reason that people can't appreciate that is because the daily bs war propaganda repeats the same lies over and over to maintain control of the powerful brainwash.
https://www.reuters.com/world/accounting-war-ukraines-climate-fallout-2023-06-06/
"We didn't expect the emissions of war would be so significant and it's not only the warfare itself that contributes to the emissions, but it's also the future reconstruction of the destroyed infrastructure," said de Klerk by phone from his home in Hungary near the border with Ukraine.
Carbon accounting will be in focus at the COP28 climate summit in Dubai this year as countries assess progress against climate goals agreed in Paris in 2015, and de Klerk said it was crucial military emissions were included.
According to the report, seen by Reuters, almost half of the net increase in emissions since the Ukraine war started in February last year are linked to the anticipated reconstruction of buildings, roads and factories damaged in the fighting.
About 19% of the emissions, meanwhile, come from military activities such as burning fuel in vehicles, making and firing ammunition and the construction of concrete fortifications.
The overall tally included greenhouse gas emissions from outside Ukraine linked to the conflict, such as gas leaks from the sabotaged Nord Stream pipeline, the rerouting of international flights, as well as the movement of refugees.
"If you look at the environmental costs of what's happening in Ukraine, that war is a catastrophe when it comes to carbon emissions," said James Appathurai, NATO's deputy assistant secretary general for emerging security challenges.
The report acknowledged there had been a drop in Ukraine's domestic economic activity due to the conflict, but said emissions related to those activities had mainly shifted to other countries
The U.S. military's war-related activities abroad between 2001-2018, including in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, caused 440 million tonnes of emissions, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University.
"Unfortunately, the impact of the war in Ukraine was not and will not be reflected in the reports and reviews of greenhouse gas emissions prepared annually by the Secretariat of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change," the ministry said in an emailed statement.
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Increasing CO2 is the biggest threat to our planet, according to Biden/the UN and others that claim the climate crisis but the United Nations/NATO/Biden intentionally don't include THEIR war as a factor.
One of the biggest causes of human deaths(not just a threat) on this planet comes from politicians and governments lying and getting people killed in dumb wars for their political agenda.
With regards to the non human life on this massively greening planet..........the optimal level for CO2 is 900 parts per million and the current ambient atmospheric level is still just 420 ppm. Climate science was hijacked by those politicians/governments for their political agenda. Truth is that humans boosting the beneficial CO2(building block for all life) is the biggest gift that we've ever given to most life on the planet by an extremely wide margin!!!
"joe Biden did nothing wrong, the Rs are just being political"
"joe Biden did nothing wrong, the Rs are just being political"
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/zelensky-washington-dc-biden-mccarthy-congress
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's (R-Calif.) on Thursday said he denied Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's request to deliver a joint address to Congress.
Why it matters: Zelensky's visit comes at a crucial moment for Ukraine, as it seeks to shore up support and secure additional funding for its counteroffensive against Russia.
State of play: Biden in August requested $24 billion of additional aid for the country.
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'If we don't get the aid, we will lose the war,'"
Independent, critical thinkers know that Ukraine's enormous losses that have decimated their country and killed half of the soldiers would have been completely avoided if Biden/Zelensky agreed with Putin to not make Ukraine part of NATO. Continuing to drag this out is just increasing the losses that are 1 million times worse than what Ukraine could have gained if they won and they never even had a chance to win. Biden is supplying the weapons at US tax payer expense, using Ukraine and their soldiers to weaken Russia.
All of the 500,000 dead HUMAN BEINGS from this war are dead forever. It has done nothing but hurt the entire planet(except for the enriched military-industrial complex, some politicians and corrupt entities in Ukraine and of course Zelensky becoming globally famous-ironically for obliterating his country)
Then, there's the 1 trillion dollar rebuilding cost ahead. Guess who will be footing a large part of the bill )-:
Daniel L. Davis , Senior fellow, Defense Priorities
https://www.newsweek.com/we-can-no-longer-hide-truth-about-russia-ukraine-war-opinion-1826532
The United States, however, would be wise to adjust its policies to reflect the reality of Ukraine's slim chances against Russia's fortified lines. Washington has spent nearly $113 billion over the course of this war, provided Ukraine with an astounding volume of modern arms and ammunition, and delivered an impressive array of training and intelligence support. After almost a year of preparation, it hardly dented the Russian lines.
There is no realistic basis, therefore, to believe that Ukraine has the capacity to attain its stated strategic objective to reclaim all its territory, including Crimea.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1idp3RVM9jk
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Ukraine lost the war a long time ago!!!!!!!! Half of the army has been killed or maimed. There has been 1 million times greater losses to Ukraine, US tax payers and the world than what Ukraine could have obtained even if it had won.
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Ukrainians aghast as Poland stops sending weapons to fight Russia
Kyiv, Ukraine – “I can’t believe the friendship is over.”
That is what Maryna Vasilevskaya, a Ukrainian woman of Polish origin, told Al Jazeera with a heavy sigh on Thursday after learning that Warsaw halted arms supply to Kyiv – and may cut aid to a million Ukrainian refugees it hosts.
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https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/90532
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https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/21/ukraine-faces-a-long-war-a-change-of-course-is-needed
The war in Ukraine has repeatedly confounded expectations. It is now doing so again. The counter-offensive that began in June was based on the hope that Ukrainian soldiers, equipped with modern Western weapons and after training in Germany, would recapture enough territory to put their leaders in a strong position at any subsequent negotiations.
This plan is not working. Despite heroic efforts and breaches of Russian defences near Robotyne, Ukraine has liberated less than 0.25% of the territory that Russia occupied in June.
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Biden tells Zelensky he will 'ensure world stands with' Ukraine
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230921-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-poland-no-longer-arming-ukraine
US President Joe Biden told Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday that he will "ensure the world stands" with Ukraine as the pair met at the White House in Washington
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From the beginning, Ukraine never had a chance to win the war. If you think that they did have a chance, then how is it that the West, especially the US giving them massive amounts of weapons and aid and hundreds of thousand of brave Ukrainian soldiers giving up there live has still resulted in the current crushing defeat to the country Ukraine?
Ukraine lost the war. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to change that fact, with half their army killed and Russia still having a great deal of soldiers left. It was always a war of attrition that Putin knew he would win but the West/U.S. media and governments completely lied about it with propaganda to trick us to support the war.
And Biden, insanely continues on the same ruinous path, still insisting that Ukraine will win the war on the battlefield.
Look at the enormous consequences to Ukraine, US tax payers, every consumer of food and energy in the world. We've driven our adversaries, Russia, China, North Korea and Iran to unite because of this.
NATO/ the US would have to send 200,000 troops to Ukraine for them to have a chance, which will never happen because our citizens would suddenly wake up to the suicide mission that the Ukrainian soldiers have been sentenced to.
Perfectly fine for Americans to support endeavors which kill 500,000 low valued foreigners with our pathetic politicians/media brainwashing us with a mindset which disrespects their humanity and gives their lives much less value than our pompous arse lives.
Even if he extracts more money from Congress this may be the last time; patience in Washington is frayed
https://asiatimes.com/2023/09/us-fails-to-get-zelensky-to-negotiate-with-russia/
Just before leaving Kyiv, Zelensky fired six deputy defense ministers, alleging corruption. His action was designed to backstop the Biden administration which is accused of providing money with no strings to Ukraine, much of which disappears. The administration has blocked any auditing of money for Ukraine.
In the past it was the United States that opposed any peace process, but that opposition was before US and NATO weapons’ arsenals were emptied and before the attempt to overthrow Vladimir Putinfailed. Trying to compensate, Washington and NATO armed up Ukraine to break through Russian defenses.
A real breakthrough did not happen, and Ukraine chewed up most of its strategic reserves. Two important brigades, the 25th Air Mobile and the 82nd Air Assault, lost so many men and so much equipment on the Zaphorize front, much of it supplied by NATO, that they became combat-ineffective and were withdrawn.
The Ukrainian offensive continues to grind on, consuming more equipment and manpower. Reports say that Ukraine is losing more than 1,000 men a day – sometimes close to 2,000 – with little to show for it. The US and some of its NATO partners let it be known they didn’t approve of Ukraine’s military tactics, although for the most part the tactics were built around NATO computer simulations and massive intelligence support.
Published September 19, 2023
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-graft-accusations-plague-top-zelensky-aides/
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Biden tells Zelenskyy that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles
Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia.
September 23, 2023
Defense officials have said the U.S. does not have a large stockpile of excess ATACMS, which have a bigger payload than traditional artillery, to provide to Ukraine. Also, some in Washington have resisted supplying the weapon, known colloquially as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia
The latest move comes just over two months after Biden signed a presidential waiver on the transfer of cluster munitions to Ukraine, despite concerns from human rights groups and some U.S. allies that their use will lead to more civilian casualties.
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Biden has completely lost his ability to think and make rational decisions on his long lost war with Russia, using Ukraine's soldiers and U.S. weapons to weaken Russia.
If this were a trade, Biden would be down the entire account on a trade against the trend and with a huge margin call. Borrowing money from every source possible. Trying to convince his broker not to liquidate and cut his losses............which mount every day and every fundamental screaming that the trade will continue to lose MORE money.
Eventually, a trader like this loses ALL their money. Sadly in this case, Biden has lost 500,000 human lives that will never come back and 1 trillion in damages with his catastrophic Ukraine trade. Guess who will foot much of that rebuilding cost-in addition to the 150 billion we've already flushed down the toilet for an endeavor that has been 100% counterproductive every single day of it's 577 days of existence.
The only positives we get come from totally BS propaganda, telling us what we want to read/hear in order to support a war that Ukraine has already lost. There is a near 0% chance that Ukraine can regain a large portion of its lost territory under these conditions.
The entire world has suffered energy and food insecurity and resulting inflation because of the war. Our adversaries have been forced to form an alliance against us that didn't exist before the war. The additional CO2 emissions from the war are enormous, ironically with Biden preaching that the CO2 caused climate crisis is by far the biggest threat to the planet by far.
There was only 1 logical choice from before the war started and the US shut down negotiations with Russia because it wanted this war. NEGOTIATE FOR PEACE!
2 years ago, NO LAND WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST. Russia only wanted an assurance that Ukraine would never join NATO then. That was it. Seriously, THAT WAS IT! Now, after winning the war, Russia will not go for that deal anymore.
And look at the damage. And look who decided to shut down negotiations with Putin. (Zelensky was elected on a platform promising to negotiate for peace with Russia and fixing systemic corruption in Ukraine.
He's done the exact opposite. US money gushing into Ukraine, with this administration blocking the auditing process has INCREASED corruption in Ukraine.
Like when VP Biden was put in charge of Ukraine corruption. Instead of trying to fix it, he and Hunter made it worse by exploiting it.....becoming active participants to enrich the Biden family with bribes to corrupt Ukrainian officials, using US taxpayer money.
This time, however his really bad decisions have resulted in cataclysmic consequences. Mind boggling that even after this has become blatantly obvious to anybody but the most captured minds, using the real world metrics above that tell us how incredibly ruinous his war with Russia has been. .......he continues to blindly double and triple down making extraordinarily horrible NEW decisions to supposedly win a ground war with Putin that is already lost instead of negotiating.
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This is 416 pages below but the Biden administration and NATO countries should have read it before they refused to negotiate with Russia during the 6 months prior to the invasion. Now, that they have been defeated by Russia, which was always going to happen, Biden continues with the quagmire strategy, sentencing Ukrainian soldiers to pointless suicide missions instead of negotiating for peace........with Ukraine's position at the table getting weaker and weaker.
Ukraine's strongest position at the negotiating table was BEFORE the war. It was then, when just agreeing to Ukraine not joining NATO would have completely avoided the US vs Russia war, using Ukrainian and US weapons.
Over half of Ukraine's army is dead or permanently disabled from the loss of limbs or other severe injuries. What the heck is Biden thinking here? With Ukraine's army weakening faster than Russia's much larger military?
Answer: Continue to sacrifice Ukrainians and US tax funded weapons to weaken Russia. Use convincing sounding bs war propaganda to justify and blame everything on Putin........but don't negotiate for peace or tell people the truth because Americans would never support the truth if they knew it!
Biden is in this until he's used up the last drop of Ukrainian blood and last $$$ of US money to hurt Russia/Putin!
https://www.businessinsider.com/sergey-lavrov-us-at-war-with-russia-military-aid-ukraine-2023-9
"You can call this whatever you want to call this, but they are directly at war with us. We can call this a hybrid war, but that doesn't change the reality," CNN reported Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday after being asked by a journalist when the US will be considered to be directly involved in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, as opposed to engaging in a proxy war.
He added: "They are effectively engaged in hostilities with us, using the Ukrainians as fodder."
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He took the words from the last year+ right off my keyboard!
Now go and read more completely bs war propaganda at all the mainstream media sites, telling you what you need to read/hear to support our war with Russia, so you don't have to wrestle with the stone cold realities and TRUTH.
How ironic!
Russia stating the exact truths and the U.S. lying their ars off over and over in this realm.
Don't get me wrong. Putin is EVIL and the best thing would be for him to go away. But this is about the TRUTH.
EVIL in this case is telling the truth.
And the TRUTH is, that the side you think is all good.........also has EVIL objectives!
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Wow, delusional war propaganda with the title telling us about Zelensky's gains, which are massively amplified in the intentionally distorted map.
Here, let me help you out with the reality. See that tiny purple spot at the bottom?
Those are the gain's they point out and that news is a month old, just being regurgitated for propaganda.
The U.S. has lost the war with Russia, using Ukraine. The counter offensive failed miserably. Look at the red and look at the purple and admit the reality. There is no other way to realistically see it.
Propaganda sources telling you otherwise are lying. Sending more weapons will just prolong the killing off of what's left of Ukraine's army.
Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
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They're (propaganda from MSM, acting as the mouthpiece for governments) making that up to get you to continue to support the lost cause. There isn't enough left of the Ukrainian army to win a war. Half of them were killed off for NOTHING. In fact, their deaths were a part of an effort that caused a million times greater losses to the world and US than anything that would have been gained.
All they had to do 2 years ago was agree that Ukraine would not be part of NATO and there would not have been a war.
They still won't negotiate and now, because they lost the war, they will have to give up part of Ukraine. The winner always gets more than the loser when they finally stop the fighting and admit its over.
Continuing to fight only continues the losses but that's exactly, the only game plan for Biden/Zelensky.
Fight until the last drop of Ukrainian soldiers blood is gone because the objective, is the use all those Ukrainian deaths as worthless pawns to weaken Russia.
Killing 500,000 REAL human beings, while spewing false rhetoric about a fake climate crisis, supposedly being the biggest threat to humanity, supposedly killing millions of FAKE human beings.
Even while causing a war with massive carbon emission that are supposedly the source of killing all the FAKE human beings.
We must eliminate carbon emissions to save the planet, claims Biden. But not the carbon emissions his military-industrial complex emits. He needs those to kill Russians.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#98758
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#98773
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#98819
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Ask yourself. How many times have you read about Ukraine winning or Putin being sick/dying or Zelensky/Biden claiming that if we get these weapons we will beat Russia and them being right?
ZERO!
They're batting .000! Stop believing the fake war propaganda!
Perhaps Mike is thinking similarly to Kenny Rogers in “The Gambler” with regard to this war. Is it a matter of knowing when to hold them vs knowing when to fold them?
That was a great song by him. My wife has always been a fan of Kenny Rodgers.
Kenny Rodgers
Started by metmike - Sept. 9, 2023, 12:01 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98835/
I note that those links don't seem to work because I used the Tinyurl function that Alex, our previous moderator taught me about.
So I added some that will work.
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With regards to knowing when to fold em in this case, we should never have decided to play Putin's game because he always had a massive upper hand by every metric. That's why he threatened to invade if NATO and Ukraine just agreed with him that Ukraine would never be part of NATO. He already had a full house with 3 Aces and 2 Kings.
In the beginning, there was always the hope that we could draw 4 of a kind to beat him.
Those cards are gone now. We lost the war. Only the propaganda won't admit it because the ones pushing the propaganda are in denial and will never admit they what they did to mislead us for their agenda. And the atrocities they caused by getting into an unwinnable war with Putin.
Yeah, Putin is extremely diabolical but we had the option to give him 1 small concession to CONTROL HIS EVIL!
If Western allies fail to send Ukraine the weapons it needs, the odds increase of the war dragging on indefinitely, at a terrible cost to both Ukraine and Russia and a growing risk to the wider world.
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/what-ukraine-needs-win-war-against-russia
The Ukrainian military has been doing extraordinarily well given the limitations it faces in equipment and training as well as the ability of Russian occupiers to dig in and entrench their positions. In July, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken noted that the Ukrainians had retaken roughly 50 percent of the territory seized by Russia since its 2022 invasion. Since then, the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Zaporizhzhia province has gained more ground as Ukrainian troops have penetrated at least the first Russian defensive line.
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Again, Ukraine has already lost the war. Does the purple on the REAL map below, look like 50% to you?
With half of Ukraine's military killed or permanently disabled, in what world can they possibly continue to fight at this level(which is losing the war)?
Stop believing the propaganda. The only reason for them to keep using it, is the fact that people continue to believe it.
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Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682
I have been dumbfounded the past 1.5+ years by how incredibly dishonest and evil that NATO and the West are, especially the United States and specifically this administration.
With the media colluding and censuring the truths, not only with regards to the core principles defining the dynamics of the war but especially with reporting the realities of most of the battles on the ground.
Constant lying/propaganda, that at the moment, is so far fetched from what's really happening, that it's blatantly exposing what a total sham they are and how untrustworthy they are.
Please don't buy into the propaganda that for a person like me to have this opinion, I must be supporting Putin/Russia or unable to understand the just cause of NATO and Ukraine.
This actually sums up the TRUTH behind the war.
https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/100483
NATO, led by the Biden administration in 2021 blocked negotiations with Russia, regarding NATO's expansion into Ukraine.
All that Putin wanted was for NATO to STOP expanding and he drew a line in the sand around Ukraine. That was it entirely, folks. All the fictional stories you might hear from the dishonest media never include that.
If NATO had just told Putin that it would not expand into Ukraine, there would never have been a war.
NATO has had the opportunity to make that commitment every single day of this war but refuses, with puppet, Zelensky having a mind meld with Biden insisting on the 100% polar opposite needed for peace.......Ukraine will become part of NATO.
Zelensky was elected on a platform of promising PEACE with Russia thru negotiations and has blatantly betrayed his people, getting half his military killed off for NATO.
Ukraine also continues to be EXTREMELY corrupt. News that Zelensky is fighting corruption is just propaganda. ZELENSKY IS VERY CORRUPT!
This great democracy we hear about has banned upcoming elections. The real reason is that Zelensky would lose and he's basically made himself a dictator.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/17/ukraine-martial-law-parliamentary-elections/
Zelensky not delivering on reform platform-July 2020
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/ukraines-zelenskiy-ran-on-a-reform-platform-is-he-delivering/
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Biden's family benefited to the tune of many millions when Joe was VP, by using his power over US foreign aid to Ukraine. Ironically, as the point man for fighting corruption in Ukraine, he instead, EXPLOITED the corruption for self serving objectives, using extortion and bribery with Hunter being his agent.
Even today, US aid to Ukraine is being used by corrupt entities under corrupt Zelensky's regime and Biden refuses to allow for better vetting of the money because he knows what's happening and doesn't want that to get out.
September 19, 2023
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/graft-accusations-dog-top-zelenskiy-aides-2023-09-19/
5 Sep 2023
The report fuelled yet another scandal in the military, where corruption has been endemic, especially in non-transparent procurement contracts – and where new forms of corruption emerged after the Russian invasion, experts and servicemen have told Al Jazeera.
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People, that money is money from you and me. U.S. tax payers are the biggest funding sources for this corrupt war and our money, so far has gone towards killing 500,000 people, decimating Ukraine to the tune of 1 trillion dollars, displacing millions of Ukrainians, enriching corrupt Ukrainian officials, bringing Russia, China, North Korea and Iran together. Imposed energy/food hardships on the world's poor, along with global inflationairy pressure, including in the United States.
And laughably, the massive additional CO2 emissions that are greening up the planet but supposedly killing the planet(and the worst threat to humanity, according to Biden earlier this month) are now being used as a reason to hold Russia accountable for an environmental crime.
A new international effort is working to hold Russia accountable for the climate impact of its invasion.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/03/ukraine-russia-invasion-carbon-footprint-00111652
Yet, never discussing peace negotiations.
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Nuclear War
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Started by metmike - July 30, 2023, 7:50 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/97707/
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Ironically, because Russia has won the war, the risk of nuclear war has been reduced. The main reason for Russia to use nuclear weapons would have been if they were going to lose the war, which was the impossible objective of Biden. So Biden's absurd hopes put us at the highest risk for a nuclear attack.
Now that it appears clear that Russia is not being threatened by Ukraine of losing the war, the threat of nuclear war is EXTREMELY LOW. .....but not 0 and still elevated vs before Biden stopped negotiations with Putin in late 2021 because he wanted Putin to invade.
Regardless, NUCLEAR WAR, which has been mentioned so many thousands of times the last 1.5 years, to the point that people no longer are as worried about it because its just another 2 words in the English language.
However, I liked this video because it describes in great detail what could actually happen.
Only leaders with extremely horrible judgment and self serving, secret agenda, like the ones making decisions in this war would have an objective that greatly elevates the risk of the unthinkable that happens in this video.
Again, the threat of nuclear war appears to have dropped tremendously because Russia won the war. Zelensky got half his army killed or permanently disabled. Please acknowledge that and negotiate for peace instead of punishing the entire planet with this continued, 100% counterproductive endeavor!
Russia's Top Nuke Targets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsFAqTldnhg
It's becoming more and more incredible that Biden is so completely disconnected with the reality.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-defence-intelligence-predicts-nuclear-142428388.html
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Pure war propaganda to scare you into supporting the war, suggesting that Putin is losing the war and getting desperate enough to use nuclear weapons, the opposite of the truth. Articles like this continue to gush out constantly.
Nearly 50 European leaders stress support for Ukraine at a summit in Spain. Zelenskyy seeks more aid
REMINDS ME OF THE SONG: "FOOLS ON THE HILL" LOL
Nobody brings attention to this but these are the EXACT same countries that push the completely fake climate crisis.
Supposedly to save the planet.
Completely manufactured rubbish on a planet with CO2 levels that are only half the optimal level for most life and global temperatures that most life would still prefer a bit warmer than this.
Cold still kills 10 times more humans in the world than heat. Cold used to kill more than 20 times more people than heat but the current authentic scientific and biological climate OPTIMUM for life is making things better. Cold still kills over 200 times more life than heat.
The climate crisis is entirely a political one for these same NATO/United Nations countries based on busted global climate models which use intentionally flawed mathematical equations with 42% more CO2 forcing than what has been accurately measured with instrumentation for 20 years, to create unrealistic simulations of the atmosphere and planet for the next 100 years.
The exact same countries insisting those conditions are destroying the planet(that is greening up massively because we gifted it with beneficial CO2 and rescued it from dangerously low levels of CO2) are lying to us about the situation in Ukraine.
"He said that victory or defeat in Ukraine would determine the fate of all of Europe."
Wrong! This entire war is because Putin does not want Ukraine to be part of NATO.........end of story! Near 0% chance of Putin going after anything but Ukraine.
Again, Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO, which includes not having US military bases and loaded warhead missiles aimed at him from Ukraine.
NATO/The West, Biden and Zelensky continue to lie about it to scare people into thinking we must contain Putin now or he will be like Hitler. 0% chance of that.
People suggesting that Putin is coming for NATO countries next (below)ARE on drugs (-:
Actually, everybody in NATO want us to believe that for their political agenda )-:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO
https://www.statista.com/chart/26674/european-countries-by-year-of-joining-nato/
Seems to me that the US was ready to go to war over Russian missiles 90 miles from us, and we don't expect Russia feels the same?
Exactly, cutworm!
The Kremlin claims the West broke a promise it made in the 1990s not to expand NATO, and is now using this claim to justify threats to invade Ukraine. Issued on: Modified:
https://www.france24.com/en/russia/20220130-did-nato-betray-russia-by-expanding-to-the-east
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The ludicrous part of NATO's position on this is the complete, 100% rejection of Putin's/Russia's concerns/position.
It would be one thing if they disagreed but acknowledged very legit points the other side has and NEGOTIATED. That's what sincere/reasonable people do when they want to work something out.
Or even if they didn't want to acknowledge them and NEGOTIATED. Thats what sincere/reasonable people do when they want to work something out.
Instead, they told Putin to go fly a kite, that he wasn't stopping Ukraine from becoming part of NATO. He took many weeks with troops piling up at the border and they continued to tell him to shove it. Ukraine was joining NATO.
The propaganda only gives us a version the NEVER includes the part that the entire war could have been avoided if NATO (mainly the US under Joe Biden using Zelensky as his puppet) had just recognized his concerns regarding NATO expansion into Ukraine and did something as simple as this.\
Sign a document that promises Ukraine will not join NATO for at least the next 5 years.
That's it folks. No kidding. That's all Biden needed to do to avoid the war.
Zelensky, BTW campaigned on and got elected because he promised to negotiate with Russia to have peace, the #1 concern of Ukrainians(along with fighting corruption)
Joining NATO was desired by over half of Ukrainians but NOT the top priority like obtaining PEACE with Russia.
Its insane to think that Ukrainians would pick this outcome for their country because they want to join NATO so badly. People OUTSIDE of Ukraine made this choice, until Biden puppetized their leader in 2021 and made him a hero.
Biden has absolutely kept his end of the promise!
It's NATO and Biden that used Zelensky to betray his country and snub negotiations that led to this war.
Betcha anything that when Zelensky allows elections again, he get's voted out by a landslide!
By Maegan Vazquez and Kevin Liptak, CNN
Updated 7:22 PM EDT, Wed September 1, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/01/politics/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-biden-white-house/index.html
“I would like Ukraine to be known, not notorious,” he responded.
In the Oval Office, Biden formally announced $60 million in new security assistance,
A source at a US-based firm that engages closely with the Ukrainian government indicated that NATO membership and the defense agreement were top of mind.
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Imagine the difference between that 60 million in new security assistance compared to what we flushed down the toilet on the Ukraine war. 2,000 times that amount and all of it to cause billion times more damage than if they had just told Putin that Ukraine was not joining NATO for X number of years.
60,000,000 X 2,000 = 120,000,000,000
500,000 dead human beings.
1,000,000,000,000 in damages that the US will be helping to rebuild.
Those are not just numbers on our computer screens. They represent real world metrics that accurately measure the impact to real human lives that emphatically trumps all the bs war propaganda and politics!
DID WE, OR... DID WE NOT SELL OR INDIRECTLY SELL, URANIUM TO RUSSIA?
I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER KNOW THE TRUTH.
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The dishonest media wants to blame it on a "pro-Russian Fico" instead of the REAL reason. REAL democracy.
A new study by the Slovak Academy of Sciences shows that Slovakia is experiencing a “solidarity fatigue”. More than half of Slovaks think that Ukraine is being helped “too much” and that aid should be temporary. Over 55% of Slovaks also believe that “arms deliveries only prolong the war”, which the researchers think can be influenced by political rhetoric.
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That number has consistently continued to grow and there's no reason to expect that the stop.
Complete flip on their position and hypocrisy of the Progressives on this horrible war in 2022 that sacrificed the ethics of their long stated ideologies for the politics of the Biden administration.
If Trump was president, they would have continued to scream bloody murder for us to negotiate peace every day of the war!
WHEN THIS ISRAELI CONFLICT STARTED... MY 1ST THOUGHT WAS... NOW, EVERYBODYYS' EYES ARE GONNA BE OFF OF RUSSIA & UKRAINE... HMMMMMM
WHO IS REALLY BEHIND HAMAS?! IMO, SOMEONE IN OUR OWN GOVT.!
Jean,
I never followed this stuff as closely as with the Ukraine war, where I've done hundreds of hours of research/investigating to understand what's going on and how we got here with some clarity.
Its pretty clear that the gatekeepers have their own agenda and they have the ability to control the messages/narratives and media.......even as they exploit people using that information to support their sometimes diabolical, self serving schemes.
They turned a wonderful climate optimum on this greening planet for most life because of a beneficial gas that is only half the optimal level..........into a climate crisis supposedly destroying the planet for their agenda. There is nothing they can't convince people of or do with convincing reading/sounding propaganda, and DISinformation!
If you've been reading/believing the war propaganda lately, you think that Ukraine is winning back territory, Putin is dying, Russia is revolting against Putin and NATO/Biden/Zelensky are just doing the right thing, fighting the just cause for democracy.
None of that is true!
Ukrainians are being sent out on suicide missions as their army size dwindles to the point of providing less and less resistance. They lost the war already but absurdly, they refuse to negotiate for peace because they won't acknowledge the truth.
Zelensky/Biden/NATO will fight until the last drop of poor Ukrainians blood has been shed for their self serving agenda.
Reality check:
Ukraine gave it their best shot with the counter offensive this year. What do they have to show for it above?
Many more dead human beings on both sides, more mass destruction. Nothing positive except the military-industrial-political complex in the US got richer.
Russian losses are extremely high. Accordingly, Ukraine reported last Friday that Moscow lost 1,380 soldiers in the days before.
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Yippeee! 1,380 non human, devils were killed from the country that we intensely hate and want nothing but bad things to happen to. The propaganda of hate from the MSM and White house wants us to celebrate each death with a victory dance because they are the enemy and we hate their guts )-:
More than 1,300 innocent Israelis killed, including at least 31 American citizens, by the terrorist group Hamas.
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We mourn the loss of these precious, life deserving souls. They earned the right to live a long, prosperous life by being born in Israel or Ukraine or the United States unlike those pieces of shisst born in Russia or Palestine.
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Hate
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
We all remember this, when the R party faked information to get us into the Iraq war!
David CornMarch 20, 2023
Remember this expression:
September 2021 Biden and Zelensky discussing the dynamics of expected war with Russia. Provoke him by cutting off negotiations with Putin and telling him that Ukraine was joining NATO whether he liked it or not. Despite Putin's insistence that he would keep NATO from expanding into Ukraine, even if he had to invade Ukraine to do it.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99443
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/98691/#99446
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99761/#99771
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-shoigu-beijing-ukraine-peace-talks-1839149
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It was Biden that shut down the peace talks in 2021 and who wants the war to continue endlessly, not Putin/Russia!
Their best show ever!
Zelensky’s Corruption EXPOSED: ‘Stealing Like There’s NO TOMORROW’ in Ukraine Government, Per Report
Even if Ukraine wasn't still a very corrupt country using some of the tens of billions the U.S. gushes at them without effective accountability and flushed over 100 billion US tax dollars down the toilet to destroy Ukraine and kill people..........the war is nothing but counterproductive for every entity in the world(except the Military-Industrial-Political Complex pulling the strings in the United States).
It has weakened Putin in many ways but then, its greatly strengthened his alliance with China, North Korea and Iran which makes the world MUCH more dangerous than it was before Biden messed things up with his intentional war against Russia.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/zelenskyy-aide-corruption-ukraine-people-stealing-theres-tomorrow
"Zelensky is delusional and everyone knows it in Ukraine" aids say in new report
12 MINUTES // CAUTION ~ REDACTED
I've been saying this from the get go )-:
So sad that we had to go thru almost 1.5 years of enormous damage to Ukraine and the world. U.S. tax payers bilked for over 100 billion to kill Russians(while killing Ukrainians).
Make no mistake, President Joe Biden is completely behind this horrible disaster!
Ukraine's Commander-in-Chief says Ukraine needs unique invention to avoid protracted war
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-commander-chief-says-ukraine-074329320.html
"It is important to understand that this war cannot be won with the weapons of the past generation and outdated methods. They will inevitably lead to delay and, as a consequence, defeat."
Zaluzhnyi has no doubt that a protracted war is beneficial for Russia, a country with three times the population
Because sooner or later we are going to find that we simply don’t have enough people to fight," he concludes.
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This is day 617 in the war that Ukraine never had the chance to win from the get go (which was clearly obvious early on). Yet, even at this point the commander of Ukraine's army is crying out for a miracle to save them from defeat...........even as they have already lost and won't admit it.
Yet, he continues to plod ahead in this suicidal effort, killing off more and more of his brave soldiers.
Dying for the political agenda of Joe Biden and the US Military-Industrial-Political complex using him, his people and American taxpayers for their agenda INSTEAD OF NEGOTIATING FOR PEACE(again, it was diabolical and corrupt Joe Biden that shut down negotiations with Russia in 2021 which caused this war).
No, I'm no fan of Putin..........just PEACE and the sanctity of LIFE, whether its a poor Ukrainians life, Palestinian's life, Russian's life, Jews life or American's life.
One group's lives should not have many times more value than others!!!
I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE % IS OF THE CITIZENS OF UKRAINE, THAT AGREE WITH" ZEL BABY." 2%????????
Jean,
We will never get the truth on this.
I could post half a dozen absurd nonsense propaganda articles a day on how Ukraine is winning and everybody supports Zelensky, Russia is revolting, Putin has a terminal disease.
This is one of them:
When asked about the activities of President Zelensky, 91% approved of his performance. Ninety-seven percent of Ukrainians believe they will win the war against Russia and 74% believe Ukraine will maintain all territories from within its internationally recognized borders defined in 1991.
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Either Ukraine is loaded with the dumbest, most gullible people in the world or the source of that poll, like all the other propaganda is dishonest.
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KYIV, Ukraine. (TND) — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is demanding more aid from his country’s allies, saying it will be unable to properly hold an election otherwise.
Zelenksy stated that he won't hold elections until the US gives him more money.
An election during times of peace is expected to cost the country about 5 billion hryvnia, or $135 million USD, Reuters wrote. This figure, however, could be higher during wartime.
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The election will cost something more than the usual $135 million listed above. The US has donated 1,000 times that amount since the war started but Zelensky states that he needs more money from us to be able to fund elections.
Biden wants to send another 60 billion which would pay for 444 elections (-:
This announcement includes the Biden Administration's fiftieth tranche of equipment to be provided from DoD inventories for Ukraine since August 2021, including additional air defense capabilities, artillery ammunition, anti-tank weapons, and other equipment to help Ukraine counter Russia's ongoing war of aggression.
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50 different big shipments of major United States weapons and for what?
Nothing but really, really bad things the entire time and 0 good(unless you count killing Russians good-which is sad).
I definitely don't think its good to enrich the Military-Industrial-Political complex but those are the ONLY ones benefiting and the only reason the war continues. With the great assistance from the media propaganda, that loves wars because they boost ratings/circulation but especially a war for Biden.
1 hour ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67321777
People have had their intelligence stolen by the absurd propaganda from Biden and the MSM.
500,000 people are dead and more dying every day. Half of Ukraine's army killed or permanently disabled and more every day. 1 trillion in damages and more every day. 16 million in Ukraine(1/3rd of the country) continue to need humanitarian aid. Millions displaced to other countries which continues with the war. Global inflation from supply side issues in energy/food. Russia has formed strong bonds with our adversaries China, North Korea and Iran BECAUSE OF the war. 125 Billion in US tax payer funds gone forever and get this...... Biden wants 60 Billion more.
Biden blew up the Russian natural gas pipeline and caused the biggest release of methane (a NON beneficial greenhouse gas) in history.
Everything that we've been told about this war has been a lie. Look at the updated map below. There are a couple of extremely minuscule patches of purple that have actually SHRUNK recently which represents land that Ukraine has held on to or regained.
UKRAINE LOST THE WAR MANY MONTHS AGO! It never had a chance to win and their soldiers have all been sent on suicide missions so the Joe Biden can weaken Russia.
This is Joe Biden's war, using Ukraine and Ukrainians and US taxpayers to weaken Russia for nothing good except for Joe Biden and his military-industrial-political complex diabolical cronies colluding with the dishonest, sensationalizing, ratings seeking media.
And convincing Americans that very corrupt Ukraine is some sort of honest bastion of democracy and close ally of the U.S. Corruption in Ukraine has INCREASED because of the graft and stealing of part of the tens of billions of unaccounted for money gushing in from the United States.
Convincing us with the huge lie that Putin is coming for more countries after he takes over Ukraine. NO, NO, NO!
Putin only wanted an assurance the Ukraine would not become a part of NATO! That's what Biden picked this fight over. Ukraine, one of the most corrupt countries in the world joining NATO.
The truth is, it's Joe Biden that stopped the negotiations in late 2021 and it's Joe Biden that refuses to negotiate for peace here, continuing to rebuke Russia. He only wants a continuation of the situation described above to continue endlessly.
There is absolutely nothing they won't do to keep the war going!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100268/
Look closely again at the purple and compare it to the red. There is 1,000 times more red than there is purple.
Now compare it to the thousands of fake news stories (propaganda from our politicians/media).
Ukraine has clearly lost the war and it was never anywhere close at any time and it's only going to get worse as their army is killed off below the 50% starting level already.
There is something extraordinarily wrong and sick with our world that allows diabolical people to not only get away with atrocities like this but they actually get hundreds of millions of people to cheer them on and fund them all the money they need.
While they get enriched from tens of millions from the Military Industrial complex lobby bribing.
President Volodymyr Zelenskiy implored Congress to maintain US military assistance to Ukraine, telling lawmakers who are blocking new aid that the alternative is to risk an eventual Russian attack on a NATO country that would draw in American soldiers.
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I've had it with this guys big lies. The reason for the war is that Putin wants to keep Ukraine out of NATO and only because Ukraine is NOT in NATO.
There is a near 0% chance of Putin ever attacking a NATO country. He would have done it BEFORE they joined NATO. It's too late AFTER they join NATO. That is the entire principle behind this war you big deceiver trying to scare Americans into wasting 10s of billions more to kill your people.
You killed off half of your army already you narcissistic psychopath and lost the war a very long time ago. Let the remaining half go home, so the families of the hundreds of thousands of remaining soldiers don't have to suffer the same suicidal fate you condemned the first half to.
You left hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian families without husbands, fathers and sons. To you, they were just pawns to accomplish your objective of getting into NATO and being adulated as a fake hero after you betrayed your campaign promise to negotiate for peace with Russia and sacrificed your country and people for global adulation in a world tricked by propaganda into seeing you as a brave warrior taking on evil Putin/Russia.
You have been nothing but a corrupt Biden puppet and in the end, even Biden won't be able to postpone your fate forever.
Egads, man!! Half your army is dead. And you made no progress when you had a full army.
Let your people have some peace and get started recovering and rebuilding. I would be stunned if the propaganda stating that 90% of Ukrainians support you is right.
I would be stunned if you were elected again and will guess that you don't even run again, when you finally allow the elections.
Pretty sad situation, when a nobody, living in Southern Indiana cares 100 times more for Ukrainians than the President of Ukraine does )-:
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If we fall for another $60,000,000,000, like Biden/Zelensky are trying to bilk out of U.S. tax payers....the war total will equate to almost $1,000 for every tax paying household in the U.S. going to Biden's war with Russia, using Ukrainians to fight it.
And we have a major debt crisis threatening the future of our economy and children's security with potential government shut downs looming ahead because of it.
Ukraine’s Zelensky Says ‘Not Ready’ to Talk to Russia
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/11/05/russia-test-fires-nuclear-capable-ballistic-missile-a83004
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Zelensky will NEVER admit that he lost the war X months ago. NEVER!
As long as we keep sending him weapons and funding, he will use them and the death sentence to his soldiers, until the last drop of blood is shed by his dwindling military.
Somebody with some common sense and humanity needs to intervene and stop his country destroying, global destabilizing path because the man is a certified psychopath and we ARE TOTALLY ENABLING HIM!!!
Biden, instead of making things better, has used him from the get go(stopping the negotiations) and made promises of victory over Russia using our weapons that the psychopath refuses to let go of, even though that pipe dream was never a possibility.
Pull the plug now and face the music. Zelensky/Biden could have just told Russia that Ukraine would NOT join Russia for X number of years. Instead, they choose this path and now face these consequences.
With Biden/the MSM getting so desperate and reckless that they are doing things like this:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100268/
We, SERIOUSLY need to establish peace in Ukraine ASAP because its only adding fuel to a potential WW-3 dynamic.
The top priority for the planet is to DE escalate in Ukraine and the Middle East and Taiwan and elsewhere before we wake up to find out somebody finally used a nuclear weapon or made an attack (like on U.S. soil) that results in something unthinkable.
We've lived with the Ukraine war so long that it's just accepted as normal.
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Biden/Zelensky continue to insist on no peace talks, only defeating Russia on the battlefield. They are completely delusional!
Rational people should have stepped in a long time ago. Stop enabling Biden/Zelensky(and the military-industrial-political-media complex supporting their propaganda). The costs have been astronomical.
l.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAdjG53aro
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Finally!!!! People breaking thru the propaganda to tell the truth which will finally end the war!!! Ukraine lost the war with certainty many months ago, with no chance from the start.
6 November 2023
Feb 24, 2023
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-putin-1.6760139
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26 January 2023
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Published Oct. 4, 2022
https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/zelensky-signs-law-declaring-talks-with-putin-impossible/
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