UKRAINE ~ FWIW
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Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:18 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 8, 2023, 10:43 p.m.
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This guy makes numerous, profound and authentic points, including on the Chinese (weather) balloon at around the  7:37 mark. 

The Chinese have 300 satellites in space. Many of them can read the names on gravestones. It's ludicrous to believe some of the things they tell us about this balloon. 

Washington is exploiting peoples ignorance in this field, in Ukraine and in other realms.   


By metmike - Feb. 8, 2023, 11:02 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 10, 2023, 7:36 p.m.
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Funny how Zelensky was failing to change the corruption in his country after 1.5 years in office and in fact was appearing to be just like the previous corrupt leaders by most accounts......looking the other way when new blatant corruption was happening in front of him.

                  

Zelensky’s Ukraine: the mechanisms of power are failing

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2021-01-22/zelenskys-ukraine-mechanisms-power-are-failing


Then, NATO/UN saw the opportunity to use him and Ukraine to destroy Putin/Russia and all of a sudden, the same guy is a corruption fighting superman.

How Zelensky Has Changed Ukraine

July 2022

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-zelensky-has-changed-ukraine/


The title to that story is so ironic. Any changes are extremely insignificant compared  to the 110,000+ dead soldiers and innocent people from Ukraine.

The 8 million Ukrainians displaced into Europe.

The 350 billion that will be needed to rebuild Ukraine after this war.

Rebuilding Ukraine after Russian invasion may cost $350 bln, experts say

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-invasion-ukraine-caused-over-97-bln-damages-report-2022-09-09/

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Oh, but it's all worth it because Zelensky is a little less corrupt that his predecessors…..WRONG!

How much did the corruption before him cost the country? How many died because of it?

You can always fix corruption and even repair buildings but you can't resurrect dead human beings!!!!

By metmike - Feb. 13, 2023, 7:41 p.m.
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Kremlin 'Crazy' Enough To Use Nukes, Russian TV Pundits Warn

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-crazy-enough-nuclear-weapons-state-television-1780790?utm_source=push_notification&utm_source=pushnami&utm_medium=Push_Notifications&utm_campaign=fullauto&utm=1676333986940

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The US/NATO/West have been playing this exactly wrong every step of the way. Maximizing the damage/death to Ukraine. Maximizing the cost to the world. Maximizing the cost to US tax payers.

Then, telling us about how they are so right and so smart with their off the charts really dumb and really bad decisions using propaganda.

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Earth to these delusional propaganda artists. Look at the number of soldiers that Russia HAD compared to Ukraine. 900K to 196.6K.

In this war of attrition, there have been 100K in soldier deaths to each side. It doesn't take a mathematician to tell you that Ukraine is going to quickly be running out of soldiers. Using the stated math as a guideline, Ukraine is down to 96.6K soldiers to Russia's 800K left.

After the another 50K in deaths, Ukraine will be down to 46.6K soldiers to fight Russia's 750K sized army.  Russia absolutely knows this. It means THEY CAN'T LOSE!

It means Ukraine CAN'T win.

They will have had most of their army killed off. Tens of thousands of civilians killed and millions leaving the country, along with hundreds of billions in damage to the country fighting a war that they never had a chance to win from the beginning.........even as the West pretends otherwise with many thousands of blatant lies about how Putin is so vulnerable and sanctions.......that HURT US much more than they hurt Russia...........and blowing up his ng pipeline.

This has been known from the beginning! But nobody wanted to agree to any of Putin's terms, mostly to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. Instead they chose this path and defended it with propaganda and elevated a charismatic, extremely dangerous psychopath to a global hero.......Zelensky and used his massive ego that caused him to put his self serving agenda a light year ahead of protecting his people and doing what's best for Ukraine.


https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/military-size-by-country/


Putin doesn't need nuclear weapons to win. He's doing it this way.

And if there was ever a chance of him NOT winning, THEN he would likely use nuclear weapons. 

By metmike - Feb. 13, 2023, 8:02 p.m.
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Ukraine-Russia news – live: Putin’s new offensive has already begun, warns Nato chief

No sign Putin is ‘preparing for peace’, says Jens Stoltenberg

Jane Dalton,Arpan Rai,Emily Atkinson

Why would Putin prepare for peace when he knows he can win this war. He sank alot into it so far and it's now, with the Ukrainian army dwindling to a smaller and smaller number that his advantage is getting bigger and bigger.

The US flushing more military aid down the toilet is just getting more people killed and extending the war before Putin does what was always going to happen based on the numbers from the get go. 

It's not likely that NATO will every concede or agree to any of Putins demands, which will now be MUCH, MUCH greater than his initial demands. So even after Putin has won........the war will continue because the West can use it to continue to attack Russia in Ukraine.......indefinately which is really all this was about to begin with. 

A proxy war for NATO against Russia/Putin, using Ukraine to do it. They don't want whats best for Ukraine, they want to have a war against Russia and they can justify this forever.

The poor Ukrainians were used and their president sold them out.

This is the same thing that the UN did with the Climate Accord. Using a completely fake climate crisis and propaganda and an agreement between countries  that will have exactly 0 on climate or weather but accomplishes  their political agenda.

Just like we are having a climate optimum, with the  best weather, climate and CO2 levels for life on this planet for thousands of years and NOT a climate crisis.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92155/

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38156/

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38156/#60166

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/paris-accord-impact.jpg


Putin is winning this war and the reasons for the war, along with justifying continuing it are being hidden and the dynamics that could have easily prevented the war being lied about. .......for political agenda.

Same people, same playbook.


UKRAINE ~ FWIW
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By metmike - Feb. 14, 2023, 3:43 a.m.
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One thing that every chess coach teaches their pupils is about trading pieces to win.

each side has 16 pieces. 4 are minor pieces and 3 are major pieces. Those 7  pieces are the key to controlling the game.

if a player  goes up a major piece or 2 minor pieces, it’s usually a winning strategy to force as many even trades as possible.

this will result in your opponent running out of important pieces first, leaving them unable to mount an effective attack or defense in the 2nd half of the game, especially towards the end, while you still have enough material to control and win the game.

this tactic assures  Putin of victory.


By metmike - Feb. 14, 2023, 10:33 a.m.
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Russia started with 900K soldiers.

Ukraine started with 196K soldiers.


Now, after 100K in deaths/losses

Russia has 800K soldiers

Ukraine has 96K soldiers


After another 50K in losses it will be:


Russia having 750K soldiers

Ukraine having 46K soldiers


And the Russian advantage is greatly amplified in time from the even trading of something that one side has a huge advantage of to start with. 


By metmike - Feb. 14, 2023, 2:51 p.m.
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But the propaganda continues!    

Russia Has Already Lost in the Long Run

Even if Moscow holds onto territory, the war has wrecked its future.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/13/russia-putin-war-ukraine-disaster/

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Articles like this is how you deny the reality of Putin winning this war.

Putin is suffering 'legitimate humiliation' after misjudging the West's willingness to get involved in Ukraine war, Russia expert says

Erin Snodgrass

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-suffering-legitimate-humiliation-misjudging-201902154.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA-A1XW4NV0O5R-GmYUiYaRD-BKScFIG-t6JjktK26fKGlLjjvU0ddNCR14AmkpwbQJ0qsfkgF6NjER04OE1-CsYHLLC5_vFvEU5c0hhdj6_63w___9PKDHtDDJzneOn-TMOEIgxttNFS507dFjFoP3MII0PrYs47cXx1C58R_Kl

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Below is the biggest source of propaganda of all:

An official website of the United States Government

                              Logo for U.S. Department of Defense                                U.S. DepartmentofDefense          

            Russia Suffers 'Catastrophic Strategic Disaster' in Ukraine        

       

                            Nov. 9, 2022                       

         https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3214909/russia-suffers-catastrophic-strategic-disaster-in-ukraine/


War against Ukraine has left Russia isolated and struggling — with more tumult ahead

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/31/1145981036/war-against-ukraine-has-left-russia-isolated-and-struggling-with-more-tumult-ahe

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There are thousands of articles just like those above out there.

Yet, somehow on Feb 14, 2023, Putin is winning the war and its getting worse..........for Ukraine.

By metmike - Feb. 14, 2023, 3:04 p.m.
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THE REALITY ON THE GROUND!

'Little by little they are winning': Tide turns in key Ukraine city: Updates as Russian offensive begins

Feb 13, 2023

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/02/13/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/11246942002/


Ukraine war: Russians slowly take ground around Bakhmut

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64596363


metmike: A rare display of common sense below:

Ukraine can win against Russia by giving up land, not killing troops - opinion

There may be a way for Ukraine to give up some territory, perhaps even one of the four Southern regions, in exchange for peace with Russia, as well as membership in NATO.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-731369

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Can Putin win? 

Feb 10, 2023

A Russian assault is expected in Donbas, but all will depend on whether Russia has fixed major flaws in logistics and coordination.

https://www.politico.eu/article/can-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donbas-chemical-weapons-win/

metmike: The question isn't CAN Putin win but how long will it take him to win. Mind boggling that they still can't acknowledge that and are in denial, using propaganda to convince themselves and others of what they want to believe......while ignoring the stone cold facts and realities.

By 12345 - Feb. 14, 2023, 3:41 p.m.
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IMO, NO ONE EVER WINS A WAR.

IN THIS CASE, I LOOK AT WHO HAS THE "UPPER HAND".  I DON'T SEE UKRAINE "BESTING" RUSSIA ~ EVER!! UKRAINE HAS THE "UPPER HAND" WITH A LOT OF OTHER COUNTRIES, THO' ~ INCLUDING MY OWN!

By 12345 - Feb. 14, 2023, 3:52 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 14, 2023, 6:25 p.m.
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"IMO, NO ONE EVER WINS A WAR."

Mostly true, Jean.

Some wars are justified, like WW2 because the evil can't be stopped or negotiated with and only rational choice is defeating it on the battlefield.

The war in Ukraine ranks near the top for being the opposite of that.

There is no question that Putin is evil. But the West/NATO/US/Zelenski had to choose between these  options.

1. Agree to NOT letting Ukraine join NATO with negotiations that gave some things to Putin that NATO didn't like. 

2. Losing 220,000 thousand lives (from both sides) and counting. 10 million Ukrainians leaving their homeland. 350 billions dollars in structural damage to the country........and claiming that this is all worth it so that Ukraine can join NATO.

3. But the unspoken truth was this choice. The opportunity by the West/NATO/US to weaken and vilify Russia/Putin, using the ends, justifies the means in #2.


Ukraine losing 100,000 troops?

Worth it to them because it meant Russia's army was reduced by 100,000.  

They are willing to sacrifice Ukraine for the cause. Pathetic Zelensky sold out his county with self serving motives/ego  for the NATO fame and being made a global rockstar .

They've been  trotting him around to various countries to celebrate him as a war hero of freedom. One of the saddest, dishonest things that I've witnessed in my lifetime.

He could have easily prevented all of this. It did not need to happen. 

Now, Russia wins the ground/fighting war anyways which Putin knew was going to happen from the get go but NATO was able to weaken and vilify Putin so mission accomplished as stated in #3 above.


By 12345 - Feb. 14, 2023, 10:51 p.m.
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WELLLLLLLLL ~ THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF EVIL IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. THERE ALWAYS HAS BEEN & NOW ~  IT'S SO BLATANTLY GOIN' ON, WITH WICKED, SMILING FACES! HOW SICK IS THAT?!!

GOD SORTS US OUT ~ ALL ON DUE TIME!

DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO IN MY 3:52 PM POST?  PRETTY SICK & EVIL, IF TRUE!


I HIGHLY DOUBT "ZEL" WILL EVER JOIN NATO ~ UNLESS HE'S PAID TO!

By 12345 - Feb. 17, 2023, 7:07 a.m.
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By 12345 - Feb. 17, 2023, 9:43 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 12:38 a.m.
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It's just a matter of math, realities and time that Ukraine's army, that started at 196,000 will be so depleted that they offer less and less and less resistance.

It's possibly already happening. 

Is  half  of Ukraine's army already been killed?


Russia started with 900,000. They can afford much greater casualties before it weakens them substantially.........and this will never happen before Ukraine's  dwindling army is overwhelmed.


With regards to statements about casualties. They will tell us whatever they want us to think......NOT what is really happening.

Ukraine losing large number of troops as it boasts about Russian casualties

https://nypost.com/2023/02/14/ukraine-losing-large-number-of-troops-as-it-boasts-of-russian-casualties/


Scrolling thru the dozens of stories about the war in Ukraine, it's almost impossible to find one that's telling the truth instead of reading, often blatant propaganda.

what is the true number of casualties?

what is the true battlefield assessments?

By metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 7:40 a.m.
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Human nature/cognitive bias causes most people, most of the time to respond after making a prediction…….by interpreting new information with confirmation bias That spins it in favor of what they want to believe.

and in most cases, wanting the prediction to come true If for no other reason than their credibility is at stake and it’s an ego thing….even if it’s only them that know what they think will happen…….but it’s greatly amplified by the number of people that are watching and are impacted.

i will try to avoid this and continue to hope for something positive to come out of the war in a Ukraine, although it’s much too late for me to already not be right, very sadly.

there is no resurrecting the 200,000 dead or undoing the other horrible results. They already happened.

I just hope that something happens that results in either Putin or Zelensky being removed quickly and replaced by a non psychopath that doesn’t abuse his unlimited power and no accountability Using male brain thinking that compels them to focus entirely on crushing the opponent and to hell with considering the toll to the humans being sacrificed to accomplish that.


There is only 1 other individual with the power to step in and have enough impact that might stop the relentless bloodshed. MIGHT But they have to completely change their tune which is extraordinarily unlikely Because all the major players pulling the strings want his war.

can you guess who that 1 person is?

theyve been using that power to sustain the war and get more people killed and now have more invested in the war so it’s not likely he will come to his compassionate senses.

By 12345 - Feb. 18, 2023, 8:44 a.m.
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I KEEP WAITIN' FOR THE GOOD LORD TO MAKE HIS MOVE.

IN THE MEANTIME ~ "CORN POPS' SLAYER" SHOULD ~ STRIP NAKED, PICK UP HIS FAMOUS CHAIN & HEAD TO THE FRONT LINES IN UKRAINE.  LOLOLOL

By metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 11:39 a.m.
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Biden: War ‘will not end with a Russian defeat of Ukraine in Ukraine’

“All of the alliance is going to stick with Ukraine as long as it takes,” the president said at the NATO summit in Madrid.

June 30, 2022

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/30/biden-war-russia-ukraine-00043449


Biden to Vow ‘As Long as It Takes’ Support for Ukraine on War Anniversary

https://www.voanews.com/a/biden-to-vow-as-long-as-it-takes-support-for-ukraine-on-war-anniversary-/6968536.html


This is one of the biggest reasons that I voted for Obama in 2008:

John McCain's 100 Years In Iraq

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccains-100-years-in-iraq/

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metmike: The saddest thing about Biden's support and American support for the war in Ukraine is the mindset that as long as US soldiers are not getting killed, we can spend tens of billions for killing machines that get NON Americans killed endlessly.  The US will support NATO's and US political interests, no matter how many people it kills AS LONG AS THEY AREN"T AMERICANS.

The complete lack of the NATO country governments and their media to acknowledge and discuss that and the media to collude with them to use propaganda to impose a blatantly distorted/manufactured reality is a barbarous, unjustifiable scandal.



By metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 12:27 p.m.
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We were the good guys in Iraq too, with the American people bamboozled by propaganda to support the war against the evil Iraq empire. 


2003 – 2011   

The Iraq War

https://www.cfr.org/timeline/iraq-war

The Bush administration concedes its prewar arguments about extensive stockpiles of chemical, biological, and even nuclear weaponry in Saddam’s Iraq appear to have been mistaken. In January 2004, David Kay, the former top U.S. weapons inspector, tells Congress: We were almost all wrong. A presidential commission concludes in March 2005 that not one bit of prewar intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction panned out.

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This time, it's the evil Russian empire(Putin is evil of course) and we are once again the good guys that must DEFEAT RUSSIA ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Not negotiate or agree to Russia's demanding Ukraine NOT joining  NATO. We are not told of that truth/option because if people were aware of the truth they would have supported that option, not war. Just like they would not have supported the war in Iraq if given the truth from the get go.

People that support the war in Ukraine will read this and it will be like a foreign language to their brain because their minds have already decided how to process all information regarding the war in Ukraine. That's how propaganda works to effectively impose a brain wash.

That's a rock solid scientifically based statement.

Masters of Deceit: The Government’s Propaganda of Fear, Mind Control & Brain Warfare

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masters-deceit-government%E2%80%99s-propaganda-fear-mind-control-brain-warfare

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The only ones to see a brainwash are those that haven't had their brains captured by the convincing propaganda/brainwash.

Again, if you disagree with this position, then it's likely that you can't see your own brainwash.

If I can see something that's really there and you can't, that doesn't mean that I might be wrong because you can't see something that's really there.

Really there means NOT a conspiracy theory and NOT imagined and proven with facts.



By metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 5:09 p.m.
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These 3 people have the most say in the Ukraine war.

1. Putin

2. Zelensky

3. Biden

All 3 are solidly committed to war "as long as it takes" 

So killing of Ukrainians (and Russian soldiers) and widespread decimation of Ukraine will continue............"as long as it takes"

Possible ending points.

1. After Russia and Ukrainian military's trade off enough deaths that Ukraine loses. In that event, the psychopath Zelensky may still not give up, even if he killed most of his army, he would still be pleading with NATO, that he just needs more assistance.

2. Some totally unseen way(using common sense) that Ukraine would get the upper hand and force Russia back. In this case, Russia would be most likely to use nuclear weapons. When it comes to "as long as it takes" for Putin, that likely means using nuclear weapons if his current plan.........which is working, is no longer working. 

3. Both sides decide to negotiate and go for peace. Everybody reading this has read mostly that it's Putin's extreme demands that are preventing this.  This is propaganda. 

Putin mainly wanted a guarantee that Ukraine would not join NATO, see why for yourself:

How NATO's expansion helped drive Putin to invade Ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer

Two maps show NATO’s growth — and Russia’s isolation — since 1990

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/19/two-maps-show-natos-growth-and-russias-growing-isolation-since-1990.html

Europe in 1990

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, the Russia-dominated Soviet Union included Ukraine, the Baltic states and several other now-independent countries. The Warsaw Pact, an alliance also dominated by Russia, included six satellite countries that are all now independent as well.

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, Russia dominated the Soviet Union and six allied Warsaw Pact countries.


Europe in 2022

Over the last 32 years, Germany has reunified and all the former Warsaw Pact countries have joined NATO. Three countries that were once part of the Soviet Union — Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — have joined NATO as well.


As of 2022, NATO has expanded to let in three former Soviet states and all of the former Warsaw Pact countries.

The US and Canada are also NATO members.


Putin is fighting NATO for Ukraine right now. Not possibly or theoretically. Ukraine was on a fast track to join NATO. Look who's helping Ukraine right now........NATO! The entire war is all about that. The US is the most powerful part of NATO fighting Russia for Ukraine right now. 

The war would have been avoided if Ukraine agreed to NOT join NATO. That's it, man. I think that Ukraine should have been able to join NATO but when the choice was this, that was inevitable and 1 million times worse than the right to join NATO, only retarded thinking and diabolical political propaganda would justify this choice. 

There was a choice that would have resulted in no Ukraine war but it meant no NATO for Ukraine. People stating otherwise are either lying or repeating a lie they read and believe from propaganda..........which is almost everything we read in the US.

Again, Putin is an evil guy and this was unjustified. But we COMPLETELY understood his thinking and intentionally choose to go to war with him over Ukraine because NATO wanted this PREVENTABLE war. 

By 12345 - Feb. 24, 2023, 5:31 p.m.
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THE ENTIRE 18 MINUTES WAS WELL WORTH WATCHING ~ BUT..... THIS 2 MINUTE SEGMENT IS SOOOOOO 'RICH"  LOL

IT'S STARTING TO COME OUT

By 12345 - Feb. 24, 2023, 6:45 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 24, 2023, 7:50 p.m.
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Watched an ABC one on one interview with Biden and came away with a very bad feeling.

Biden lied his arse off repeatedly. Stating that the US and NATO have no say in the outcome, it's all up to the Ukrainians to decide what they want to do and the US will just support whatever that is.

And that if the US doesn't continue to  maximize support for Ukraine right now, the cost to the US in the long run will be many times more than if we don't support Ukraine.

This is delusional!

Thanks to NATO/US refusing to give up their desire to expand into Ukraine, which is what this war is entirely about (that includes taking over Zelensky's political agenda that used to be negotiating peace with Russia), we have  wasted 100 billion already, that has  helped get more people killed and more of Ukraine obliterated.

We now have a $1 trillion bill facing us to rebuild Ukraine.......if the war stopped tomorrow. 220,000 dead people that can't be resurrected. All so that NATO can have Ukraine. 

And Biden insists that continuing the war will save us money in the long run? Why is nobody talking about the $1 trillion and rapidly increasing cost to rebuild Ukraine aftewr the NATO vs Russia war ends?

And that's the absolute best possible scenario. There is no way to make it better than that.

Worst case?

Could be several orders of magnitude worse if the war continues to escalate. 

Putin is NEVER going to stop until NATO/Zelensky agree that Ukraine is off the table. NEVER. That's what this is all about for him.

Zelensky is asking to be fast tracked into NATO and is sacrificing his country/people for it. 

NATO/US wants Ukraine bad enough to get all of its people killed and country destroyed. 

China, ironically might be the one powerful source that could broker some sort of deal.

That seems absurd but with the current position of the sides at war being at opposite extremes and that they will fight on the battlefield until they win..........what else is there?


Ironically, it seems really dumb that Russia would go to this extreme just to keep NATO out of Ukraine.

However, the resistance by NATO and the extreme lengths they will go to get Ukraine into NATO must be absolutely reinforcing Putin's fears about how important Ukraine is to them.

Which is based on an ideology with an objective to eliminate Russia. 

What Putin is doing is diabolical and can't be justified under any scenario.

However, he is exactly right. NATO wants to destroy him and Russia, no matter what it takes.

And the US is paying a massive price tag that pales compared to what's ahead.


By 12345 - Feb. 25, 2023, 1:10 a.m.
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THANKS, MIKE!!!

Navy SEAL: 'What is winning' in Ukraine?  (4 MINUTES)

By 12345 - Feb. 28, 2023, 10:26 p.m.
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By 12345 - March 2, 2023, 5:20 a.m.
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ZEL IS GETTIN' PRETTY BLATANT AS HE'S CALLS THE SHOTS!!

Zelensky: US Will Have To Send 'SONS AND DAUGHTERS' To Fight In Ukraine If Aid Wavers

By metmike - March 2, 2023, 11:42 a.m.
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Zelensky: US Will Have To Send 'SONS AND DAUGHTERS' To Fight In Ukraine If Aid Wavers

Dangerous psychopath acting as a corrupt NATO/US puppet.

 https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/

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European Council on Foreign Relations

United West, divided from the rest: Global public opinion one year into Russia’s war on Ukraine

https://ecfr.eu/publication/united-west-divided-from-the-rest-global-public-opinion-one-year-into-russias-war-on-ukraine/

Stop the war v win the war

The new consensus among European governments is that only a Ukrainian victory will stop Putin’s war. Although significant numbers of European citizens still wish the war to cease as soon as possible, the poll appears to show a clear trend over the last year towards preferring Ukraine to win even if the conflict endures some time longer. Americans similarly believe that Ukraine must regain its territory if lasting peace is to be secured.

In contrast, people in non-Western countries possess a clear preference for the war to end now – even if it means Ukraine having to give up territory. In China, a plurality of those asked (42 per cent) agree that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine needs to stop as soon as possible, even if it means Ukraine giving control of areas of its territory to Russia. This desire to end the war soon is even stronger in Turkiye (48 per cent) and India (54 per cent). It is worth noting, however, that almost a third of people in both these countries would prefer Ukraine to regain all of its territory, even if it means a longer war or more Ukrainians being killed and displaced.

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This is mostly a survey to see who believes the propaganda from the US/West/NATO and who can see the 1 million to one damages to benefits of the war.



By metmike - March 2, 2023, 11:52 a.m.
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Stars and Stripes

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/africa/2023-02-22/ukraine-war-global-divide-9222379.html

Nations that have armed Ukraine or placed sanctions on Russia.



Now, let's go to NPR to see how they use a distorted map that dishonestly amplifies NATO to make NATO and the West look much more powerful(leaving out the majority of the map above that DISAGREES WITH NATO or is not NATO).

Just another propaganda trick.

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/23/1158152004/ukraine-russia-war-nato-europe

30 countries belong to NATO

 

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Note: Finland and Sweden applied for NATO membership in May 2022. Their application must be ratified by all the current NATO member countries.

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Gee, I wonder why Putin would feel threatened by the massive expansion of NATO the last  3 decades (-:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/


For the 200th time, this war is entirely about Putin not wanting NATO to expand into Ukraine. Zelensky campaigned on  and was elected for negotiating peace with Russia and all he needed to do was agree to NOT joining NATO to stop this war. Seriously, it was that simple. 

Now, he's a NATO Puppet being elevated to a great hero in the NATO countries. Ironically, for getting all his people killed and county decimated for NATO.......but people in the US/NATO countries see this as a good thing. 

You haven't read other sources telling you this truth?

Welcome to the United States in 2022/23 )-:

War propaganda!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93431/#93484


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By metmike - March 14, 2023, 11:59 a.m.
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Thanks Jean,

This is exactly what I've been stating:

I Teach International Relations. I Think We’re Making a Mistake in Ukraine.

The U.S. risks provoking Russian aggression.

By Max Abrahms

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/03/russia-ukraine-war-pundits-history-international-relations/673293/

By day, I teach Introduction to International Relations to undergraduate students at Northeastern University. By night, I consume the latest punditry about Ukraine. What strikes me is the frequent disconnect between international-relations scholarship and commonly espoused views in Western media about the war. Although other scholars would surely highlight different findings, I believe the most relevant ones urge greater caution in America’s approach to countering Russia.

Why did Russia invade Ukraine?

Perhaps because they view NATO as a benign—even benevolent—force in the world, many Western commentators argue that Russia was primarily motivated to conquer Ukraine for offensive purposes as part of its “colonial venture” to reconstitute the Soviet Union. The controversial international-relations luminary John Mearsheimer overstates the case that there is “no evidence” of Russian imperial ambitions to gobble up Ukraine. But his work on “offensive realism” suggests that NATO enlargement eastward since the Iron Curtain fell has indeed been viewed by Russian leaders as inherently threatening, and played a significant role in the invasion.

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Here's the maps to show it:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92952/#93229

By 12345 - March 15, 2023, 1:58 p.m.
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Court: Ukraine Can Try To Avoid Repaying $3B Loan To Russia

The U.K. Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that Ukraine can go to trial to avoid repaying $3 billion in loans it said it took under pressure from Russia in 2013 to prevent it from trying to join the European Union.

The court rejected a bid by a British company acting on Russia’s behalf to order Ukraine to repay the loans without facing a trial. Ukraine said it borrowed the money while facing the threat of military force and massive illegal economic and political pressure nearly a decade before Russia invaded its neighbor.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy tweeted that the ruling was “another decisive victory against the aggressor.”

“The Court has ruled that Ukraine’s defense based on Russia’s threats of aggression will have a full public trial,” he tweeted. “Justice will be ours.”

The case was argued in November 2021, and the court was not asked to consider Russia's invasion of Ukraine three months later.

Ukrainian authorities allege that the corrupt government of pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, borrowed the money from Moscow under pressure before he was ousted in protests in February 2014, shortly before Russia illegally annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.

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thanks, Jean!

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A US spokesperson stated on Fox that China and or Russia will try to trick us by calling for a cease fire.

It will only be an excuse to regroup according to them because Russia is losing the war. We need to continue until we defeat Russia on the battlefield.


This is more confirmation that NATO and the US do not want peace. THEY want a war to defeat Russia and will ignore Russia if they try to negotiate.

By 12345 - March 20, 2023, 8:01 a.m.
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I GUESS I NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS, A FEW MORE TIMES!  LOL  AM I ACTUALLY HEARING THIS THE WAY HE PRESENTS IT?  IF SO.......  THIS IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE OF MINDSET  I'VE EVER HAD WITH HIM.

IMO ~ ZEL & PUTIN ARE SIAMESE PEAS IN A POD.

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By metmike - March 20, 2023, 8:34 a.m.
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Hersh is exactly right that Biden’s hatred of Putin is causing him to do really dumb things.

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I'VE GOT THIS SET TO START AT A CERTAIN TOPIC ~ (COVID RESEARCH JOB OPENING) ~ EVEN THO' I FOUND THE ENTIRE LIVE BROADCAST INTERESTING

NATO is in deep SH*T in Ukraine and Putin knows it

By 12345 - March 31, 2023, 1:12 p.m.
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"Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, along with announcing the possibility of the deployment of Russian strategic nuclear weapons on his country's soil, called for a cease-fire in Ukraine. A truce, he said in his state-of-the-nation address in Minsk, must be announced without any preconditions, and all movement of troops and weapons must be halted.

“It’s necessary to stop now, before an escalation begins,” Lukashenko said, adding that an anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive using Western-supplied weapons would bring “an irreversible escalation of the conflict.”

But Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov responded that Russia has to keep fighting, again claiming Ukraine has rejected any talks under pressure from its Western allies.

Peskov also dismissed remarks by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán that the European Union was mulling the deployment of peacekeeping troops to Ukraine, calling that “extremely dangerous.”

Ukraine on Bucha Anniversary, Calls For Justice

By metmike - March 31, 2023, 1:45 p.m.
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The West keeps focusing on messages of holding Putin accountable instead of messages and more importantly of actions to stop the killing, and decimation Of Ukrainian.

Peace.

putin has big ally’s so forget this delusional idea that NATO countries can isolate him and destroy his economy . That’s actually backfired on the West with higher inflation they absurdly calleii8kmmudow Putins,price hike.

im very much for holding aputin accountable but not at the cost to what is happening the real human beings in ukraine.

By metmike - March 31, 2023, 8:13 p.m.
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This is why I've been insisting this guy is a dangerous psychopath, completely supported and financed to be this way by Biden/NATO! Killing his people off, destroying his country for self serving agenda as the NATO hero taking down Putin and Russia for the US/Biden and NATO. 

And threatening to soon take down the US because of it!


Zelensky signs law that rules out Ukraine peace talks with Putin as ‘impossible’

https://nypost.com/2022/10/04/zelensky-signs-law-declaring-talks-with-putin-impossible/


Ukrainian Citizens Banned From Negotiating With Putin, Zelenskyy Orders

Kyiv has virtually ruled out talks before a complete Russian withdrawal as its forces retake large parts of the occupied regions

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2022-10-04/ty-article/ukrainian-citizens-banned-from-negotiating-with-putin-zelenskyy-orders/00000183-a2ae-d8cc-afc7-feee8ef30000

By metmike - March 31, 2023, 8:30 p.m.
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There's a heck of a lot more to this story than what the propaganda tells you:

New law stokes Ukraine language tensions         

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Galyna Lekunova, a veterinarian in the eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, was left fuming by a new law in January mandating the use of Ukrainian in the service industry.

In protest against the regulations that she said amounted to "discrimination," the 47-year-old began offering 50-percent discounts to her Russian-speaking clients.

This is what she believes spurred the perpetrators of a graffiti attack on her clinic, which was defaced in late January with scrawls of black coffins and a warning of "Death to the enemies".

One month later, the paint was still visible on a poster of a puppy advertising her services in Russian in the industrial port city on the Black Sea.

"If I work, pay my employees' salaries and my taxes, it's none of your damn business which language I do it in," Lekunova, wearing a floral-patterned apron, told AFP.

The incident in Mariupol, some 20 kilometres (12 miles) from the front line of Ukraine's war with separatists backed by Moscow, reflects a deeply-felt language divide in the ex-Soviet country of 40 million people.

Lawmakers in 2019 passed legislation to cement Ukrainian as the country's primary language, ordering middle schools that taught in Russian and other minority languages to make the switch and mandating Ukrainian versions of online stores.

An article of the laws that entered into force in January goes further, obliging shops, restaurants and the service industry to engage customers in Ukrainian unless clients specifically ask to switch.

Anyone caught violating the new legislation twice within one year could be fined 200 euros ($235), almost half of the average salary in the country. No one has been penalised so far.

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Putin was absolutely wrong for invading Ukraine but this hogwash that he's coming for Poland and other countries so we must stop him now is completely made up. There were/are unique dynamics in Ukraine based on a regional dispute that doesn't apply any place else.