Trump special master ruling ‘troubling’
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Started by metmike - Sept. 8, 2022, 4:42 p.m.

Trump special master ruling ‘troubling,’ legal experts say

While Cannon’s ruling directs the special master to consider executive privilege, she does not lay out how. 

“Why would you outsource it? If you’ve got some basis for believing that these documents are protected by executive privilege, let’s lay out what the standard is,” Robbins said. 

“It’s not enough to say ‘I’m not persuaded that that executive privilege can never be invoked by a former president.’ Okay. That’s fine. So what are the standards that you’re giving to a special master?”

 Peter Shane, a law professor at New York University and an expert in executive privilege said he’s unsure what exactly the special master is supposed to assess.


“You don’t need a special master to identify whether the documents are potentially the subject of executive privilege. All of these documents, I assume, were communicated to the president or he wouldn’t have them,” he said.

 But he and Sklansky also see major risks to allowing a former president to withhold documents from the current administration.

 “That strikes me as completely wrongheaded because the government continues. And when we have a new administration come in, they have to continue the work of governing. And it strikes me as completely unworkable to say that when a new administration comes into office, they’re restricted from knowing what kinds of discussions went on in the previous administration, that official government documents can be shielded from the current administration. That just strikes me as completely unacceptable,” he said, adding that’s something courts should not be eager to take ownership of. 

He noted that even Cannon doesn’t offer a wholesale endorsement of the idea, allowing the intelligence community to access the records so they can do their own damage assessment.

 Shane said the issues are even more pressing when considering the national security information Trump has in the tranche of records.

 He said it’s the constitutional duty of the president “to protect the national security from the moment of inauguration to the last minute of that person’s term.”

 “Protecting the national security right now is not Donald Trump’s job; it is Joe Biden’s job. And the idea that he might be shielding information relevant to our national security from the current administration, whose constitutional job it is to protect the national security, is absurd. It’s an absurd claim,” Shane said.  

 “It creates the idea that privilege belongs to a human being as opposed to the institution and the office of the presidency. That somehow the constitution imbues individual human beings with power in perpetuity — which is itself opposed to the idea of the rule of law and the idea that no one is above the law,” he said.

 “The responsibility of taking care that the law be faithfully executed is a job that belongs to whoever is president now. Not who was president four or 12 or 16 or 40 years ago … It needs to be available to the current president to see the records of prior administrations in order that they can do their job to the fullest.”

By mcfarm - Sept. 8, 2022, 6:22 p.m.
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I will tell you what s "troubling" and its right in front of every never Trumper and they could care less. This simply boils down to another unfair application of the law because it involves Trump. Are they going back to investigate Obama? Of course not. Any other presidents who did the same? Of course not. Now we hear the FBI not only fondled  Mrs Trump's underwear but also were in Baron's bedroom???? WTF, and just how ate up with hate are these people?

By cutworm - Sept. 9, 2022, 1:16 p.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 9, 2022, 1:55 p.m.
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Trump is back in the headlines, and it may cost Republicans in November

The democrats are loving this. Hillary was no longer able to damage her party after losing the 2016 election.

In fact, the corrupt Mueller investigation did a great job to damage Trump, instead. 

However, Donald Trump, instead of being politically dead, continues to be the massive anchor to his party that cost them so much in 2020 and is costing them dearly right now. 

Tens of millions of republicans are convinced that he's a victim and savior, so they defend every situation. Republicans in office are afraid of him. They are concerned most with staying in office, so they will not confront his lies or he will take them out.

Note what happened to Liz Cheney.

It's a crazy world. Both parties act like they have  a death wish......spending massive amounts of time doing things that hurt their own party more than help them.

It's all about manufacturing fake realities by powerful gatekeepers of messages to control what people think so that they can impose their self serving agendas.

The big lie about the 2020 election pales in scope compared to the Fake Climate Crisis.


By WxFollower - June 22, 2022, 7:07 p.m.

 Mike said:

Neither political party has a franchise on the truth.

If you believe one party all the will believe in lies some of the time.


There's none so blind as those who will not see.


There Are None So Blind

As Those Who Will Not See

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See:

• According to the ‘Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings’ this proverb has been traced back to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 (‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’). In 1738 it was used by Jonathan Swift in his ‘Polite Conversation’ and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 ‘Works of Thomas Chalkley’. The full saying is: ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

By mcfarm - Sept. 9, 2022, 4:02 p.m.
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yes and it makes a guy wonder just who Jonathon Swift would be referring to in this scenario. The FBi and justice department committed various offenses to rob Trump of votes in not 1 but 2 elections. How many votes is the only question remaining. It shows others how to not ever run a republic and exactly how to run a banana republic. Its such a schitt show now we cannot even have a accurate count of our national presidential election and its been made a mockery for out siders to laugh about. It matters not an ounce of what a bad person you think Trump is or how much you the FBI and justice hate the man, he still has the same rights of every other citizen unless you fall to the Jonathon Swift theory. Take a stand. 

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2022, 5:09 p.m.
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Take a stand.


That's exactly what I do here all the time. Have you not noticed?

Previous threads about Hunter and Biden family corruption/crimes:

Mueller's  bs

June 2016:  Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton meeting.

Fake climate crisis:

The Big Lie/Election night fraud

COVID vaxx DISinformation/information compilation

The difference between us on taking stands, mcfarm is that I take stands using a non politically affiliated mind that independently acquires   objective data and facts to provide compelling evidence that strongly supports and in fact.......DEFINES the position.

You and most others on the other hand, align with a political party and have already decided on positions based on political ideologies and twist all facts/evidence to get them to line up with what you want to believe.........and you mainly go to information gatekeepers/sources that tell you what you want to hear/read (reinforce it). 

By mcfarm - Sept. 9, 2022, 7:04 p.m.
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right MM. To allow evil orange man the very same rights as all others is "already having my mind made up".  How do you come up with your stuff? If Trump is charged and tried like all others then do it. If you cannot do it like all others you are a supporter of banana republics.....that is "already making up your mind" pure and simple.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2022, 8:44 p.m.
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Judge dismisses Trump's lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, calling it a 'political manifesto'

The suit accused Clinton and the FBI of conspiring in the Russia investigation.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's probe, completed in 2019, concluded that Russian interference in the 2016 election was "sweeping and systematic," and the investigation led to seven guilty pleas and five jail sentences, mostly on charges of lying to investigators -- but no charges were ever brought against Trump himself.

metmike: Like I have always stated.  In 2.5 years of investigating, they were not able to establish crimes committed BEFORE the investigation.........which was the point of the investigation or crimes committed related to Russia.......which was the point.

Or provide substantive evidence that Trump ever colluded with Russia.......which was the entire point of the investigation.

Instead, they CREATED crimes by their investigation by getting the ones they were interrogating to lie about things that they already knew the answers to.

2.5 years and 25 million dollars and they got people connected to Trump to lie about things and summarized how Russia tried to influence our election like its always tried to influence our elections.

That money was worse then flushed down the toilet. It was used to specifically target people for political reasons using by our DOJ, that had no oversight, violated the rights of citizens, destroyed ALL the evidence of their communications on electronic devices/documents that they knew would get them for crimes/corruption.....see below link and basically manufactured a bunch of bs to allow themselves to do whatever they wanted, then cover their tracks afterwards.

Those are words. This is them doing it.

By bear - Sept. 9, 2022, 10:15 p.m.
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i suspect... once the pubs (if) take the house in november.  lots of this will come to an end.  and then they will start investigations into hunter, and hillary.  

also,  all the huge reckless spending will be much harder if there is gridlock.  

of course i could be wrong.

By mcfarm - Sept. 10, 2022, 7:52 a.m.
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don't know what you thought you fixed MM. It was not accurate, took my words out of context, and did not portray anything I believe. It was not cute, humorous, or witty. It was however offensive so don't be an ass and take it down.

By metmike - Sept. 10, 2022, 9:46 a.m.
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Took it down for you mcfarm. 

Sorry to offend you!

By metmike - Sept. 22, 2022, 3:03 a.m.
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Trump was on Hannity tonight.

”i declassified all the documents when I left the white house!”

OK. Then there should be a record or documents to verify that.

no way that previously classified documents would become declassified without following a process that also has a paper trail/records involved.

trumps a sharp guy. He would have a copy of that transaction  for evidence to protect himself and prove what he’s saying if that was the case.

he has nothing but an impossible to  believe story.

By metmike - Sept. 23, 2022, 10:38 a.m.
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Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow


Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”                                                        

“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.                                                        

Though there aren’t specific protocols that the president must follow to declassify a document, federal courts have ruled that they will “refuse to recognize what they consider to be an inference of declassification,” McClanahan said. 

                                                        The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

                                                        If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.

                                                       The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information. 

                                                        “Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.                                                        

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.                                                         

There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution. 

metmike: It seems likely that at the very least, Trump did NOT follow procedure with regards to declassification of documents that he was allowed to declassify. 

Also, he may have been in possesion of documents that were not legal.

For sure, a president can't declassify documents, tell nobody,  then take them home after his term.

By metmike - Sept. 23, 2022, 11:27 a.m.
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Mar-a-Lago special master orders Trump team to back up any claims of FBI ‘planting’ evidence

Trump keeps digging his holes deeper and deeper and his supporters will defend him all the way down to China (-:

By mcfarm - Sept. 23, 2022, 11:30 a.m.
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for sure a President cannot take classified documents....For sure President Trump cannot take classified documents......there I fixed it for you MM. You need to read just what they found in Bill Clintons sock drawer

By metmike - Sept. 23, 2022, 12:32 p.m.
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"for sure a President cannot take classified documents....For sure President Trump cannot take classified documents......there I fixed it for you MM."

Clinton, Bush, Obama Didn’t Leave With Classified Information, National Archives Says

Donald Trump’s immediate predecessors as president didn’t take classified information upon leaving the White House, the National Archives and Records Administration told The Daily Signal.  

The typically history-focused agency—charged with holding White House documents and other government records under the Presidential Records Act—was thrust into a political firestorm last month when the FBI raided the Mar-a-Lago home of the 45th president.


Let me help you out on your Trump/Fox/far right imposed  DISinformation confusion on those audio tapes of Clinton's. They were personal audio interview tapes of interviews of President Clinton from a PRIVATE AUTHOR writing a book about Bill Clinton's life...........That's it, man. 

No classified information. I totally get why Clinton would have a right to those personal tapes........any reasonable person would. 

Judge won't seize Bill Clinton-Taylor Branch audiotapes

Branch made the tapes privately with Clinton at the White House. Clinton reportedly stored them in a sock drawer for a time. They became the basis for Branch's 2009 book, appropriately named: "The Clinton Tapes."

Feel free to get your Fox/Trump far right DISinformation fact checked and debunked any time!

Even better, please stop letting them target you with this stuff because you WANT to believe it.

By metmike - Sept. 23, 2022, 1:45 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Sept. 23, 2022, 7:52 p.m.
Like Reply  just one example. You notice "a court ruled" that those tapes were personal property of Clintons...hmmm, what court? where? why? how? Even though they do admit the tapes held a "wide range of Presidential conversations".... now who knows what the heck that means, did Clinton declassify? When? why? How? Seems sometimes when something Trump comes up you are quick on the draw and often key words are left out. I am willing to bet that the Clintons and big gov came to a quiet agreement and this matter died like all the rest of the Clinton corruption. 

By metmike - Sept. 23, 2022, 11:31 p.m.
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Thanks, mcfarm!

Only far right Trump supporters would make such an insane false equivalency argument.

By all authentic accounts, Trump illegally took  numerous classified documents from the White House and followed no procedure/notification/protocol for doing so. Even if some of them could have been decertified by the president.

And we are expected to believe its the same thing as the tapes of Bill Clinton, while in office getting interviewed for a book by a private author and obviously being nowhere close to the vicinity of the area of the tapes being classified.

Let's see if we can match that with similar false equivalencies.

Ant = Elephant because they are both living creatures that walk

Puddle = record flood because they are both wet/caused by rain

Firecracker = Hiroshima blast because they are both explosions

Clinton interview tapes = Trumps stealing classified documents because they are both presidents that took something  from the White House

Donald Trump Is One Day Away From Claiming Biden Used Witchcraft to Reclassify the Documents He Claims He Declassified

Trump’s legal problems are spinning out of control, so naturally he’s turning to completely insane lies—yes, insane even for him.

"Since the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago on August 8, Trump and his allies have repeatedly insisted that he declassified the government documents they uncovered, but when the special master appointed to his case asked Trump’s lawyers this week for actual proof of the supposed declassification, they refused to provide any. To be clear, if the ex-president had declassified the information—and again, former Trump administration aids insist this never happened—he would not have been able to do so just by thinking really, really hard. Is it fully insane that we have to even say that? Yes, yes it is."

Whatever Fox/Trump/Far Right state, no matter how insane = Same thing that 10s of millions of followers will believe

By mcfarm - Sept. 24, 2022, 10:16 a.m.
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so I guess you have no explanation for "a wide range of Presidential conversations" ....I'd say if you give one pol the benefit of the doubt you damn well are stuck giving it to all. Maybe these "conversations" were about black mail, staged suicides, murders, spies, nuke secrets, raid on innocents gun owners, failed crooked land deals, lost Whitewater documents of all sorts. The point is I don't know and neither do you so you do not get to pick and choose who gets to interpret the rules differently for different people.

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 10:48 a.m.
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You want to know what's on the Clinton tapes, like the rest of the world that has known since 2009?

Just buy the book, mcfarm.  The source of the information was even the name of the book.

Again, this was the work of a private author writing a book that he shared with the world in 2009. ........NOT related to National Security, NOT classified material. You really think the FBI needed to raid his home to get a copy of Clinton stating things that are in this book?

Taylor Branch (born January 14, 1947) is an American author and historian who wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning trilogy chronicling the life of Martin Luther King Jr. and much of the history of the American civil rights movement.


Pulitzer Prize for History, 1989
National Book Critics Circle Award for General Nonfiction, 1988
English-Speaking Union Book Award, 1989
Martin Luther King Memorial Prize, 1989
(Finalist): National Book Award, Nonfiction, 1989
  • Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years, 1963-65 (Simon & Schuster: 1998)
American Bar Association, Silver Gavel Award, 1999
Imus Book Award, 1999
The Hillman Prize, 1998[9]
  • At Canaan's Edge: America in the King Years, 1965-1968 (Simon & Schuster: 2006)
Heartland Prize for nonfiction, Chicago Tribune, 2006.[10]
  • The Clinton Tapes: Wrestling History with the President (Simon & Schuster: 2009)[11][12]
  • The Cartel: Inside the Rise and Imminent Fall of the NCAA (Byliner, 2011)
  • The King Years: Historic Moments in the Civil Rights Movement (Simon & Schuster 2013)

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 10:57 a.m.
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Good new book (-:

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 11:11 a.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 11:26 a.m.
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By mcfarm - Sept. 24, 2022, 1:15 p.m.
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do you think bringing up the FBI and raiding homes is a good idea for your side of this? Seems their track regard and raiding homes from various Trumpers, to school board meeting attendees to innocent gun owners who were then gunned down in the snow would all raise red flags but I guess not.

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 3:18 p.m.
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Agree, the FBI raiding homes is a bad idea and should only happen if the justice department has no other choice.

like when a previous president steals classified documents, then refuses to give them up and justifies it as being from him declassifying those documents in his mind but not telling anybody.

Trump said it on Hannity as posted above.

your sides  position to defend  trump on this is quintessential evidence that Trump is considered a nearly infallible person.

no matter how overwhelming the evidence is against him, you will always defend him instead of believing all the compelling evidence.

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 3:26 p.m.
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you guys think we are having a debate on things like this.

that was settled long ago by the authentic facts above.
at this stage of the discussion, I’m just analyzing YOU and why you act this way.

I’ve yet to get one rational  response explaining why you act this way about trump and far right DISinformation.

The reason is that you use it to manufacture your fake world…that you WANT to believe in…...which you guys have unshakeable faith in…..authentic facts and truth be damned.

just another reminder.. my  biggest sincere objective in doing this for free is to open minds to objective truths From both political sides.

not to recruit like minded people but to help you to apply objective, independent thinking.

almost everybody goes to sites that tell them what they want to read and hear…….not the truth.

At least you’re still coming here!