New Trump Criticizing/bashing Thread for cliff-e(and others)
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Started by metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:16 p.m.

With 51 posts in the previous Trump bashing thread, it was getting excessively long.

You can see that one here:

Since this is obviously a popular topic(at least for 1 guy), we can continue it, as long as it respects the previously stated boundaries(if a poster does this numerous times daily with zero positive contributions, for instance, I will delete their excessive bashes and may warn them) (or if they become offensive or it results in personal attacks-they WILL be warned).

I actually encourage posters to objectively criticize Trump for his many faults and weaknesses vs bashing because you hate his guts............and the MSM has taken over your brain.

By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:20 p.m.
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Let's let cliff get us started off with a bang here by using his 3 posts earlier today on the old Trump bashing thread:

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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:15 a.m.            


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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:53 a.m.            


Sonny Perdue...just another 45 lackey.


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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 8:56 a.m.            


Interesting thread on waivers. 45's EPA may face legal action.


By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 1:30 p.m.
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By metmike - Aug. 22, 2019, 10:17 p.m.
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                By cliff-e - Aug. 22, 2019, 9:31 p.m.            

            New AP poll doesn't look good.

Btw this thread wasn't started by me and that's not my "pen name" in the title but there's much to learned and hey let's keep it going and go for the gold. ;~)

By cliff-e - Aug. 25, 2019, 12:38 p.m.
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Losing another fan and gaining another challenger seems to be 45's method. He continues to be his own worst enemy.

By cliff-e - Aug. 25, 2019, 6:13 p.m.
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By metmike - Aug. 25, 2019, 7:49 p.m.
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Thanks for using the new thread. I'll bet we can get it back up to 50 again.

Just curious on who your favorite candidate is and why?

By cliff-e - Sept. 6, 2019, 5:40 p.m.
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By TimNew - Sept. 6, 2019, 9:25 p.m.
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Just curious on who your favorite candidate is and why?

I honestly truly don't blame Cliff one little bit for side stepping this question.  It's a trend I notice across the internet from liberals of all walks.  All things considered,  who can blame them?

But for the active liberal posters, and the lurkers...   Which of the dem candidates for POTUS do you support?  Which do you think would be the best?   Why?

I'm willing to make a substantial wager that there will be no response.

By 12345 - Sept. 6, 2019, 9:46 p.m.
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I would like to see a Liz/Hellery ticket.

By TimNew - Sept. 6, 2019, 10:57 p.m.
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Assuming you are serious, and the "Hellery" nomen indicates other, I'll assume you want to assure a Trump victory.

Can there be a less palitable team than Warren/Clinton?

By cliff-e - Sept. 7, 2019, 8:02 a.m.
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By 12345 - Sept. 9, 2019, 12:48 a.m.
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How's 'bout a Harris/Booker ticket?

Maybe, a Biden/Obama ticket would work, eh?

By joj - Sept. 9, 2019, 6:06 a.m.
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I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Bashing suggests wild and out of control.  Bashing suggests emotional and unfounded.

As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E....

By TimNew - Sept. 9, 2019, 7:54 a.m.
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As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E....

I'm certain that's as honest an opinion as you can muster,   but no one, or at least very few, care to name a specific dem candidate.   They all support positions that are indefensible to an informed individual and no one wants to be in a position where they have to defend them.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 10:39 a.m.
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"I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Agreed, thanks.

Changed it for you.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 10:57 a.m.
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"As for who might be a better candidate?  A N Y O N E...."

That's exactly how the dems will win. Who gets nominated does not matter. They will get almost 100% of the Stop Trump vote.

pj has made this point............that Obama started a far right reaction movement that ended up with Trump(Trump was the reaction to him).

Trumps far right has resulted in a MUCH FARTHER left movement because of him. While I agree partly, the biggest reaction to Trump has been how he presents and delivers his agenda, not necessarily the agenda/platform.

However, the really, really extreme, doesn't make any sense based on authentic facts in the real world left sees this as a golden opportunity.

No matter how crazy the Green New Scheme, fake climate crisis agenda/position(and other stuff) is, because it is going up against Trump, it's assured a win. 

If the side opposing Trump told us that their new science discovered dog sheet was the fountain of youth and their plan included free dogs and dog food to help them manufacturer the health benefits at home............they would still vote against Trump.............and for that plan.

Get ready for the US and globally.

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2019, 11:09 a.m.
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This may sound odd but the best chance for the republicans to win would be if for some reason they couldn't run Trump.

Should that happen, the Never Again Trump rug would be completely pulled out from the dems and the details of their platform would matter. 

This is also why, the dems know that an impeachment of Trump that removed him from office would really backfire.

But they know they can impeach in the house they control and it would be impossible to impeach in the other house that has a pub majority and needs 2/3rds majority.

So thats what they do. Damage his credibility more by impeaching in "their" house, knowing its a big waste of time because he remains in office, which is WHAT THEY WANT.

Trump running in 2020 is a gift. Pence running could be a problem. He would get the Trump vote +ton of never Trumpers who like the agenda.

+ton of people who actually look at the platform of the other side.

By mcfarm - Sept. 9, 2019, 11:17 p.m.
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interesting take MM. You make sound points. But I still think most Americans vote for something, not against. Trump, kept his word on his campaign promises. People are so sick of typical pols. The msm's have lost their last cent of common sense. New MRC survey has over 90% negative Trump stories....that's 90%. Its now so biased the people are being driven to Trump because they have no choice and are dumping the msm's and their load of crap.

Bernie had a picture of his rally in Iowa. Must of been nearly 50 people there. Trump had people waiting for 2 days in North Carolina and another sell out tonite. If Trump completes this china deal, holds things together, its now possible for him to take many more states than last election considering who the dems are running. Biden the front runner cannot even read his teleprompter this week. Say what you will I see no one running that can threaten Trump. Warning, I am so naive I thought the usda would recognize 20m prevented planting acres!

By TimNew - Sept. 10, 2019, 3:20 a.m.
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It will be interesting to see how the issues are presented when it comes down to Trump and the dem candidate who takes the primaries. 

If the dem candidate is one of the current front runners and Trump sticks to his agenda and issues,  it will be no contest in the debates. Unfortunately,  that's not how Trump operates.  He'll drag the debates into the gutter and the MSM will do everything they can to keep  the issues and accomplishments out of their coverage, as they do now, instead focusing on Trump's "buffoonery",  even creating it where it does not exist.

By cliff-e - Sept. 10, 2019, 3:49 p.m.
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45's still going thru staff like toilet paper and treating them as such. The Dictator campaigned on this statement.."And I alone can do that"...and carried that out with a zeal never seen before.

By cliff-e - Sept. 11, 2019, 1:08 p.m.
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45's not a listener. One of many unflattering attributes.

By cliff-e - Sept. 15, 2019, 7:56 a.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 15, 2019, 12:48 p.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 15, 2019, 8:19 p.m.
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Thanks cliff! For reminding me why the original title of the thread had the word bashing in it(based on your Trump posting).......before joj made this request:

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                                     By joj - Sept. 9, 2019, 6:06 a.m.            

            "I find the term "Trump Bashing Thread" to be incendiary.

If the goal were civil discourse, perhaps "A Trump Criticizing Thread" ?

Bashing suggests wild and out of control.  Bashing suggests emotional and unfounded."

cliff-e's source(title of the article): 

"Trump’s distant Scottish cousin blasts president as selfish man who stole pancakes"

metmike: Surely there's no disputing bashing on this one..........which is fine but joj, sorry to shift again to continually adjust to what you guys want............cliff-e wants bashing and so that's what we have in the title.

By TimNew - Sept. 16, 2019, 9:51 a.m.
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So we now live a world where it bears mention that a distant relative of Trump's complained about him stealing pancakes...  I suppose it would be humorous, and it is,  except for that fact that the people who focus on such banality also vote.

By cliff-e - Sept. 16, 2019, 5:40 p.m.
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45's tax records subpoenaed. He just might find out what prison pancakes taste like yet.

By mcfarm - Sept. 16, 2019, 6:16 p.m.
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holy crap cliff? really? tax records?   how about a dem during a nationalized debate offering anyone who is dumb enough to vote for him a 1000 dollars/month? That seem at all strange? Or another promising to go right around our very constitution knock on your door with armed police and take your guns? Strange? Or several others all joining in and agreeing to impeach a supreme court justice because of a another smear job by the NY Times? No facts, no due diligence, no presumption of innocence, just impeach the guy cause you want to kill babies. Sound a bit strange to you at all?

By metmike - Sept. 16, 2019, 7:03 p.m.
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Trump has alot of powerful enemies in high places with power to do things to him that would never be tolerated by the justice system or the American people if they were targeting any other president.

The Russian investigation for 2.5 years for instance is the one that was on a scale of light years beyond what any human being should ever be subjected to, purely from the use of your corrupt political enemies using/abusing the justice system, in cahoots with the MSM in order to destroy you by making stuff up about you.............and you were innocent before, during and afterwards...........but it still is twisted into being an ok thing to do because it's Trump.

So when Biden is elected, will there be a dozen investigations of him going back upteen years, including his entire family and everybody that he did business with or had a relationship with?

Of course not.

Can they find some things to get Trump on if they continue the investigations?

For sure they can. That's why they are doing it. 

And that is illegal by most ethical standards..............using political differences as the justification to investigate somebody. 

It doesn't matter what you think of Trump. People like him and everybody else in this country has basic rights and many of these investigations of him are violating his. 

By cliff-e - Sept. 16, 2019, 8:46 p.m.
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Sure there's people who like 45 (hey even Nixon had his fan base to the bitter end and beyond) but there's more who don't...

And for those who are fans of 45 we have this special group of people...

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By metmike - Sept. 16, 2019, 9:07 p.m.
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Thanks cliff!

You never answered my question on what democratic candidate that you would support to run against Trump and why?

By cliff-e - Sept. 17, 2019, 12:12 p.m.
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Let's learn more about 45's GOP challengers who aren't a part of Cult 45.

What's he so afraid of that he feels a need to rig  the primaries?

By cliff-e - Sept. 20, 2019, 11:18 p.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 23, 2019, 10:43 a.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 23, 2019, 8:49 p.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 25, 2019, 7:46 a.m.
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By metmike - Sept. 25, 2019, noon
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Thank cliff!

Very profound statement and I was thinking that exact same thing this week!

Of course, to each their own.  I like using data, graphs and authentic science to illustrate points.

You preferred to show a picture of somebody that you hate. 

By cliff-e - Sept. 25, 2019, 5:26 p.m.
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The "mooch" got it right.

How does the old saying go...Hate the sin but not the sinner? or something like that?

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2019, 7:05 p.m.
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Thanks cliff, good one!

The title of your article/source and link again:

Julie Hyman


"Trump a 'felon acting lawlessly,' won't be Republican 2020 nominee: Anthony Scaramucci"


  • 31 July 2017 below

On 9 July Anthony Scaramucci tweeted: ".@DonaldJTrumpJr is a virtuous and honorable man. Virtue means the courage to act with integrity. Don does that everyday. #stopwitchunt."

Gee, things sure can change quickly. Trump metamorphosed from a virtuous and honorable man with integrity to a lawless acting just over 2 years.

Orrrrrrr, maybe something else happened?

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2019, 7:18 p.m.
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Anthony Scaramucci: Fired from the White House after 10 days

"Wall Street financier Anthony Scaramucci lasted only 10 days as White House communications director, a brief time but enough to prove controversial.

The appointment itself, on 21 July, triggered a shake-up at the Trump White House. Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and spokesman Sean Spicer both left their posts over his hiring.

Then just a week after being named, he launched a strongly worded attack on Mr Priebus, calling him a "paranoid schizophrenic" in a conversation with a reporter.

In the same phone call, he also directed profanity-laced insults at Chief Strategist Steve Bannon.

In the same week, reports also emerged that his wife, Deidre Ball, had filed for divorce. The New York Post said she was fed up with his "naked political ambition".

By cliff-e - Sept. 26, 2019, 9:03 a.m.
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By cliff-e - Sept. 27, 2019, 8:51 a.m.
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The 45 mob boss continues with his thuggish and terroristic ways.

By cliff-e - Sept. 29, 2019, 1:17 p.m.
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There's nothing about self centered and self proclaimed invincible 45 that surprises me.

By cliff-e - Oct. 1, 2019, 5:03 p.m.
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By metmike - Oct. 1, 2019, 6:04 p.m.
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Thanks cliff!

Though I strongly believe that Trump has not done anything close to deserving impeachment, I would actually be happy to see him impeached if it resulted in  President Pence that had the exact same positions/agenda.

This deserves further discussion on a new thread.

I believe that if the democrats were not sure that the senate will never impeach Trump and remove him from office, that they would not go for this impeachment.

If Mr. Nice guy ran in 2020,  armed with the agenda of Mr. Mean he would be invincible.

The dems could try to impeach Pence too I suppose by trying to connect him to actions of the current president but I'm pretty sure the objective here is to have a house impeached/damaged Trump running in 2020 and hopefully not Pence. 

BTW, if for some reason Pence was unable to take over(was impeached) then Nancy Pelosi becomes president. 

By TimNew - Oct. 2, 2019, 2:56 a.m.
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What really concerns me are all these mysterious deaths and suicides surrounding these Trump investigations...   Oh wait......

By cliff-e - Oct. 2, 2019, 6:42 a.m.
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By metmike - Oct. 2, 2019, 11:40 a.m.
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Thanks cliff!

This new whistle blower complaint confirms what the dems new attack strategy is, similar to the one they used against Brett Kavanaugh, with some twists to accommodate the circumstances to apply it to President Trump.

They are using the whistle blower program this time. There are several advantages to doing this.  The biggest one affords the whistle blower "protection"  so the source is not identified and can't be scrutinized for having partisan/ulterior if partisan motives are not ENTIRELY behind the attacks on Trump and behind the impeachment dynamics. 

That way, the whistle blower complaint must be viewed legally as if its from a patriotic citizen, only concerned about the best interests of our country........which is exactly how the MSM is reporting it.

The narrative that they are selling is that the whistle blower is fearful of Trump and must not be identified............which is absurd rubbish, allowing them to hide any personal motives or political affiliations. 

   The best thing that could happen to the dems would be for the whistle blower to be identified and it caused Trump to do something to the whistle blower. That would be a dream come true for them to nail Trump. They know that would never happen. 

Now we have another whistle blower, using the same playbook and the next play. It must be assumed, legally that this is a neutral/unbiased patriotic citizen acting in the best interest of the USA and their identities must remain confidential to protect them(making it impossible to question their credibility/motives) .  That's how using the whistle blower program works. 

Taking all the same information that we have today, absent these whistle blower complaints would have added up to very little.  We already knew that Gulliani was doing what he was doing for months, investigating Biden in his travels to Ukraine(for Trump).........he was in fact trying to draw attention to it but the MSM was ignoring him. You will note that the damaging narrative focus's on "The Whistle Blower complaint".

By cliff-e - Oct. 2, 2019, 2:12 p.m.
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The Whistleblower Act was signed into law by President George  H.W. Bush in order to protect those with a conscience and have courage to speak up.

By metmike - Oct. 2, 2019, 3:09 p.m.
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Exactly as I stated cliff. So we agree on this.

"Now we have another whistle blower, using the same playbook and the next play. It must be assumed, legally that this is a neutral/unbiased patriotic citizen acting in the best interest of the USA and their identities must remain confidential to protect them(making it impossible to question their credibility/motives) .  That's how using the whistle blower program works."

By TimNew - Oct. 2, 2019, 5:20 p.m.
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The dems are not too proud to use unsubstantiated charges from unidentified sources since it helps them to keep doing "good works" for the people. It doesn't really do much other than throw a stain on the reputation of opponents.     Trump makes it easy, but it works pretty well on others as well.  

How can you defend yourself when in those nebulous crosshairs.

By metmike - Oct. 2, 2019, 6:10 p.m.
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EVERYBODY knows that EVERYTHING in Washington is based on the politics.

Using the whistle blower program, allows the dems to supersede that and present the complaint as if its NOT based on politics, even though we all know that it is.

Just look at how the votes are lining up for impeachment. Almost completely one sided. Dems voting one way, Pubs voting the opposite way. Same president, same actions, same phone call, same person(Biden) same everything..................but complete opposite interpretations of whether this is an impeachable offense,

An unidentified whistle blower is an ingenious way to present information in the partisan atmosphere with an assumption that its not really partisan.

By cliff-e - Oct. 3, 2019, 8:28 a.m.
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By metmike - Oct. 3, 2019, 8:30 p.m.
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 Accusing President Trump of committing treason is serious stuff.......serious bs(it was done for 2.5 years to an innocent man, now that word is back again):

 Trump IS actually a whistleblower!

The question remains, why is there no investigation of Biden and why is the MSM insisting that he did nothing wrong when he has never been investigated?

How are you completely innocent of crimes that you look very guilty of without there even being an investigation to clear you?

By TimNew - Oct. 4, 2019, 3:26 a.m.
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Biden was cleared...     He got the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Hunter fired by withholding military aid. Biden actually bragged about this, so there is no question.  Then, the replacement for the prosecutor said "Hunter Biden is not guilty of any infractions of our laws".

End of discussion.  How can anyone be suspicious? Another Trump witch hunt!!! 

By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 8:25 a.m.
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Where else shall they investigate? Emoluments clause a factor?

By cliff-e - Oct. 4, 2019, 8:43 a.m.
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By cliff-e - Oct. 5, 2019, 3:26 p.m.
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45 still plays the blame game for the cesspool he created for himself.

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 6:38 p.m.
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Since this is about Trump battling to lower drug prices for all Americans(and you are bashing him on this position), I assume that, now you are for high drug prices to continue too?

We already knew that you constantly bash  President Trump over his pro ethanol policies-because its Trump- and are for the party of the Green New Deal and no more corn ethanol.  Very, very odd for a farmer.

I didn't see anything from you about this today:

Trump sides with farmers in ethanol proposal, angering oil industry

10/04/19 12:11 PM EDT

As you bash the president over his climate position, we continue to have the best climate/weather to grow crops in the last 1,000 years and the best CO2 levels to grow crops since humans have existed.

Instead of believing what your eyes/observations, yields and bank account tell you.......since you hate Trump so would rather believe in this:


               Greta Thunberg    


The reason that I let you go overboard(breaking the rules that I set at the top of this thread on your neurotic  Trump bashing-you had 4 of them in 1 day, so that I can expose your crap that you choose to pollute our MarketForum your positive contributions have dwindled to almost nothing to offset the crap.

But I will offset it with facts and truth. 

Speaking of which, you continue to overlook the lack of truth(make that blatant, intentional lying) from your go to democratic and MSM sources on this latest witch hunt:

By cliff-e - Oct. 5, 2019, 8:15 p.m.
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I'm all for lowering drug prices but I find it peculiar he would go against some of his biggest political donors (the pharmaceutical industry) but then again 45 has shown he'll not only bite a hand that feeds him...he'll lop it off and tell 'em they're better off without it to make'em feel good.

As for his latest act? of supporting's just amazing what 45 can pull out of his sleeve to try to gain support whilst under the threat of legal action. Will he sign an executive order to show good faith support?

As for the word "hate"...remember... "Hate the sin but not the sinner". It's what we Christians are taught.

By TimNew - Oct. 5, 2019, 9:29 p.m.
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 I find it peculiar he would go against some of his biggest political donors

An objective observer would view  this as a sign that Trump is more interested in the people he represents  than his donors.  An objective observer would see this as a good thing. But, as we know, Cliff is very far from being objective.  Quite the contrary. Cliff is a wonderful example of (T)rump (D)erangment (S)yndrome. 

Trump could cure cancer and people like Cliff would complain that he'd put so many medical professionals out of work.  Trump could walk on water and people like Cliff would ridicule him for not being able to swim.

I know these are tired cliches,   but they are appropriate for the tired cliches from TDS folks like Cliff.

Not that it matters,    but did y'all know that Trump is the 1st president in our lives who's net worth actually dropped since he took office?  Oh well..Nothing to see here.  He's just on office to enrich himself,  Right Cliff?

I bet stuff like this makes your  head hurt, huh Cliff.Or is the insulation that thick?

BTW, which dem presidential candidate do you support? This is an open question  to anyone on the forum, or anywhere for that matter.  I've yet to get a serious answer, anywhere.. from anyone.  Can't say I blame them.  Who would want to put themselves in a position to defend utter nonsense.

By joj - Oct. 5, 2019, 9:58 p.m.
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Does the moderator not notice Tim insulting posters with personal insults? 

“An objective observer” ?  Cliff is not it.. 

“Insulation that thick”?

Go ahead Tim - make it about me being too sensitive or not having a sense of humor... or some other deflection of YOUR WORDS.

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 10:18 p.m.
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"Hate the sin but not the sinner". It's what we Christians are taught."

1. But you don't hate the really REALLY REALLY hate what you refer to as the sinner.  

2. I've always assumed that you are not a Christian cliff.  Not judging, I know alot of atheists that are good people. This post of yours less than a year ago seemed to confirm it.

   By cliff-e - Dec. 14, 2018, 6:33 p.m.            



Care to explain?

By metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 10:45 p.m.
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"Does the moderator not notice Tim insulting posters with personal insults?"

Yes, I do notice that Tim is politically biased(and he has acknowledged it too) and call him out when he goes overboard.


If you point out the personal insults Tim is responsible for, I will be glad to look at it and address it. I read his points earlier and can't find anything other than what clearly is a fact:

Tim: "Cliff is a wonderful example of (T)rump (D)erangment (S)yndrome."

metmike: If the dozens and dozens of trolling, Trump hating/bashing posts by cliff is not a quintessential example of it here................then nobody hates Trump and nobody is biased against Trump. 

“An objective observer” ?  Cliff is not it"

metmike: Cliff is ANTI-objective(again, shown by his posting-even when Trump does something good, cliff twists it to be bad) but I give him the opportunity to express that with his own special thread.

"Go ahead Tim - make it about me being too sensitive or not having a sense of humor... or some other deflection of YOUR WORDS." 

metmike: Obviously you and Tim are on 2 opposite ends of the political spectrum and  you will rarely agree on anything and yes, Tim's responses to liberals and liberal things is often  judgemental and biased and even unkind in a general sense.

If you are offended or feel personally attacked by Tim or somebody else, I seriously want to address it if you give me the specific example.

I will also add that Tim may be our biggest contributor to quality trading posts. His positive, massive contributions out weigh the negative ones because of political bias by a 50 to 1 me at least, as moderator of MARKETforum that exists, especially to provide and discuss  markets.

By TimNew - Oct. 6, 2019, 7:42 a.m.
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This may be my bias speaking,  but have you ever noticed how often it seems that liberals see facts as insulting, or biased or racist, or something/anything other than facts.

And MM, I respectfully disagree. I don't think positive posts offset insulting ones.  I just don't see calling someone "not objective" who is clearly and obviously not objective an insult. 

Edit: Rereading your post,  I'm thinking you agree.

By joj - Oct. 6, 2019, 8:45 a.m.
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"Insulation that thick"....

Is THAT is "factual"...?

Ok, if so then I think the moderator and Tim are Thick headed too.

Tim, at least you have the moderator on your side.  Soon you'll chase the last liberal voice away and then you can truly be safely in your bubble.

By TimNew - Oct. 6, 2019, 9:21 a.m.
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I will admit that using a phrase like "Insulation that thick"is pushing the envelope, but I don't know how else to describe the phenomena. Should I have instead said "inability to experience cognitive dissonance",or "Inability to consider another point of view"?  All mean essentially the same and none, IMO, imply thick headedness.  I'm referring to a bias so strong that it can't be penetrated.

And my "bubble" does not need protection.  I have facts and logic for that.

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 12:12 p.m.
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As I told you in a personal email, I greatly value your opinions and intelligence here. I hope that you decide to continue to share them in a positive way.

It's clear that you think that I'm biased in favor of Tim and nothing I say will change that. You accused me of giving Obama a hard time then insisted I did later.......despite me showing evidence of the opposite.

When Obama gets bashed unfairly, I defend him too.

If you really want to know metmike, read my post from earlier today:

Or this one:

The biggest crisis we have in this country right now is the "civil war" taking place in politics:

Maybe I'm not doing the best job is trying to bring the 2 sides together by defending Trump when the attacks aimed at him are  going against truth, facts and fairness but I do use facts, try to be objective and am always sincere with a willingness to see others point of view..............if they also are sincere and objective and use facts.

By joj - Oct. 6, 2019, 12:46 p.m.
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"I will admit that using a phrase like "Insulation that thick"is pushing the envelope"

It's not "pushing the envelope".  It's an insult.

Simply say that you disagree with him on a particular point.

By TimNew - Oct. 6, 2019, 1:02 p.m.
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It's not "pushing the envelope".  It's an insult.

I disagree.

By joj - Oct. 6, 2019, 4:25 p.m.
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You are entitled to disagree.

Perhaps that is due to your inclination to "thick insulation".  :-)

By metmike - Oct. 6, 2019, 9:45 p.m.
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In case you're not aware, we've pushed on to the new thread for this topic.

Just to let you know, I am very disappointed with the type of posting that the threads with this title  have resulted in(they are extraordinarily divisive and are ending with the grand finale of silly bikering).............which I predicted before hand but am willing to provide opportunities for both sides to make their points, in this case, one side, being the minority here, feels under represented (but cliff makes up for it by himself under this thread).

If you are also disappointed with cliff's trolling threads representing your side........please chime in with intelligent discourse to better represent the liberal side of things. At the very least, you will convince me that we should continue this thread. 

Please continue this topic here:

                10-5-2019 New Trump bashing Thread for cliff-e(others)            

                            Started by metmike - Oct. 5, 2019, 7:36 p.m.    

p.s. My objective here is not to generate traffic by whatever generates traffic. I would love to see traffic blossom but not with hate, division and political battles that end up having people(good people) threatening to leave because of it. 

Oh yeah, this thread is not a suggestion that we/you should post your Trump related stuff here. By all means, post away on Trump with new threads and never post under this thread.