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metmike has been blocked from this previous thread. It was getting excessively long anyways!
Trump bombs Iran
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Started by metmike - June 23, 2025, 11:08 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/112769/
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By metmike - July 20, 2025, 9:06 a.m.
Thanks, commodityman!
I don't know what I would do without you!
Actually, I do know. Without you, I would be completely blocked from going back to just view (or use) information from several threads here. Usually long political ones with strong, unpopular views with only the moderator being blocked.
I don't have an explanation. 4 different speculative theories but no solid evidence to support any of them.
Updated: Jul 17, 2025, 08:52 AM ET
https://oddspedia.com/us/insights/features/nobel-peace-prize-odds-and-predictions
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Re: Re: Re: Re: : Odds of getting a Nobel Peace Prize
By metmike - July 16, 2025, 12:35 p.m.
This person sounds legit to me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulia_Navalnaya
If this award wasn't blatantly dominated by corrupt politics, this is who would win(doctors without borders) BY A LANDSLIDE!
DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS!!
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An unprecedented crisis is unfolding in Gaza, where a punishing siege and decimated health system have fueled a humanitarian catastrophe.
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/our-response-israel-gaza-war
Twenty-one months of war have destroyed thousands of lives in Gaza, leaving much of the Strip in ruins and humanitarian needs more dire than ever.
Since the start of the war in October 2023, more than 57,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, more than 137,000 wounded, and thousands are estimated to be buried under the wreckage. Over 1.9 million people—90 percent of the entire population—have been forcibly displaced, often many times. Water and food are still severely limited, essential supplies like fuel and electricity are scant, and as the threat of disease and hunger continues, lifesaving health care remains inaccessible.
Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) teams are witnessing firsthand how this war has turned Gaza's chronic humanitarian crisis into a catastrophe.
MSF response in Gaza
1,004,974 outpatient consultations
267,981 emergency cases
63,764 people treated for diarrhea
23,013 surgical interventions
46,637 inpatients admitted
13,226 deliveries
58,883 prenatal consultations
55,859 individual mental health consultations
70,501 non-communicable disease consultations
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Health care staff and humanitarian workers must be protected.
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/remembering-our-colleagues-killed-gaza
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Doctors without borders: Risking and giving up their lives to serve suffering human beings.
Donald Trump: Abusing his power for self serving (ethnic cleansing) interests to bomb/kill and create extreme suffering to the same people that Doctors Without Borders is/are risking their lives to help/save.
https://www.newsweek.com/israel-iran-idf-war-2102138
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Trump wants us to believe that his bombing of Iran caused peace and that he deserves the Nobel Peace for bombing a country, unprovoked, against international law, in the middle of peace talks with that country because another country told him to.
The psychopathic leader of the country that ordered him to do it, came to the United States and nominated him for the Nobel Peace prize.
However, what REALLY happened is that Israel was running out of weapons/ammo, especially those needed for it's Iron Dome because the US couldn't make them as fast as Israel was using them(Gaza and the West Bank also require replenishing their ammo).
With the US military-industrial complex producing on overdrive to stock up the weapons Israel needs, they will resume the bombing of Iran and make up some excuse to justify it and pretend that it's Iran's fault and not because they have the weapons restocked to resume the attacks.
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https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/06/25/nbc-israel-is-running-out-of-weapons-and-ammunition
"The Israeli army is running out of some key types of weapons while (US President Donald) Trump is trying to maintain a fragile truce between Israel and Iran. Israel is particularly short of ammunition," the report says.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w2v6_J4qQA
68,280 views Jun 18, 2025
Iran’s Fattah-1 hypersonic missile has struck Tel Aviv, exposing the limits of Israel’s billion-dollar defences. With Arrow interceptors running low and the cost of survival soaring, the Middle East faces a new era of warfare. How long can Israel hold out as Iran’s missile arsenal grows ever deadlier? The countdown to a decisive moment has begun.
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We found out how long Israel could hold out, when a cease fire was called so that Israel could stock up with weapons again.
Now we wait for them to stock up and start bombing Iran again!!!
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-july-17-2025
A US media outlet reported on July 17 that US strikes in Iran on June 21 caused significant damage to only one of the three Iranian nuclear facilities that the United States struck.[1] CTP-ISW has previously assessed that the strikes caused significant damage to all three facilities and will likely set back Iran's nuclear program.[2] US airstrikes targeted the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant, Natanz Enrichment Complex, and Esfahan Nuclear Technology Center (ENTC).[3] NBC News reported on July 17 that the US strikes set back uranium enrichment at Fordow by up to two years but stated that "nuclear enrichment [at Natanz and the ENTC] could resume in the next several months," citing former and current US officials familiar with a recent US damage assessment.[4] A US weapons expert stated on July 17 that Iran does not conduct uranium enrichment at the ENTC.
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The excuse to resume bombing in Iran is tricky. The claim will likely be to destroy the rest of Iran's nuclear facilities and nuclear program, which will contradict Trump's insistence that all of it was obliterated.
However, psychopath Netanyahu has been decimating 2 million and shrinking innocent people in Gaza (mostly children and women) for 654 days and absurdly calling it " Israel defending itself" so they don't really care about what makes sense or not.
It's really hard for me to imagine that Israel is done bombing Iran with his Muslim hating pal in the White House providing so much support/assistance.
Netanyahu is in a battle to survive his past political corruption and the one thing that Jews in his country support him the most about is the bombing in Iran.
According to the poll of over 700 Hebrew and Arabic speakers conducted on Sunday-Tuesday, 70 percent of Israelis support the ongoing strikes, 10% say they support them but the timing is wrong, and 13.5% are opposed.
Among Jews, 82% support the strikes, including a majority across political camps, and two-thirds of Jewish respondents also support the timing of the operation.
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This stone cold fact almost assures us that Netanyahu WILL resume the bombing, once the US Military-Industrial-Political complex restocks Israel's weapons!!!
This entire story is as silly as silly has ever been. So a foreign country attacks our service men, threatens and attacks its neighbors, states it will end western civilization and America along with it, then lies and cheat for decades on nukes. Then after its nukes may have been harmed or destroyed this evil threat come out and admits it will soon be enriching soon and to a larger degree than ever....which they claimed they were never doing in the first place. Seems this country{Iran} would fit under Obama's kind of place.
Thanks very much, mcfarm for giving us the view that supports the bombing and justifies the genocide in Gaza.
That view from Israel and the United States is imposed with impunity because Netanyahu and Trump are Muslim hating authoritarian leaders from powerful countries that can't be stopped and can't be held accountable to following basic humanitarian standards.
Netanyahu, actually is even worse than Putin. At least Putin doesn't intentionally target the majority of his victims being children and women and has been fighting a real army.
Netanyahu and his IDF are the world's biggest cowards. Slaughtering tens of thousands of unarmed, defenseless people, the majority being children and women. Starving them to death Depriving them of water and medical supplies. Destroying their schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods INTENTIONALLY. Intentionally decimating 2 million people that are unarmed and innocent because that's what his objective really is.
Amazing that there is actually somebody on the planet that is even more diabolical than Putin.........
And he comes to the United States asking for more weapons, bombs and support for what he's doing in Gaza and how does Congress respond?
In a quintessential example of why our politicians are morally bankrupt, they gave him many dozens of standing ovations!
The most diabolical leader on the planet and this is the reception our politicians treat him to.
Their master is the Military-Industrial complex.
See also: Arms embargoes on Israel
Human rights organizations and UN officials have heavily criticized the Biden administration for vetoing multiple UN resolutions calling for an immediate ceasefire and for continuing to send arms to Israel. Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas said the US was complicit in war crimes,[109] and Amnesty International's Secretary General said that the veto showed that the US "displays a callous disregard for civilian suffering in the face of a staggering death toll".[110]Doctors Without Borders said that the veto "stands in sharp contrast to the values it professes to uphold," and that the US was providing "diplomatic cover for the ongoing atrocities in Gaza".[110]Human Rights Watch said that the veto and the military support "risks complicity in war crimes".[5] Following the veto, a UN General Assembly resolution calling for a ceasefire garnered overwhelming support, with 153 countries voting for the resolution to 10 opposed.[111] Turkey's president called for reform of the UN Security Council system that allows for the five permanent members to veto resolutions supported by the overwhelming majority of countries
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In history, what other leader of another country would come here to demand even more money to go towards their kill-fest black hole???
https://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/columns/a-standing-ovation-to-genocide
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https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/congress-ovation-gaza-genocide
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Like minded, morally bankrupt politicians, devaluing the lives of human beings for their self serving interests!
The Outer Limits (1995) Intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo
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Main articles: Gaza genocide § United States, and Palestinian genocide accusation § Alleged American complicity
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Further information: Defense for Children International-Palestine et al v. Biden et al
Some scholars believe that America is complicit in an alleged genocide committed by Israel against the Palestinians.[77][78][79] Lawyers of the Center for Constitutional Rights warned the Biden administration that they could be held liable "for their failure to prevent Israel's unfolding genocide, as well as for their complicity, by encouraging it and materially supporting ...
Really think it was Obama who was dropping crates and crates of our hard earned tax dollars to the terrorist in Iran and their surrogates through out the ME. So if you want to blame anyone anywhere at anytime you can lay a metric shit ton right in Obama's lap. I had no say so because at that time he was running what has been found to be an actual autocracy unlike the fakes charges that are thrown around today.
Thanks, mcfarm.
I got that. Obama who hasn't been president for 9 years is the reason for havoc in the Middle East right now, not Netanyahu.
So if Obama had never been president, there would be peace across the Middle East?
But if Netanyanu had never taken over, things would be the same?
Actually, I know exactly where you are getting this crazy stuff from(I go there too and listen to try to understand the religion).
I don't stand a chance against religious type faith in things that are based on political spinning but you are always encouraged to express it here.
People already know my views so its good to hear opposing views. They can compare and believe what they want.
last update I read Obama killed more humans with drones than any human whoever lived. Not to mention the 20,000 bombs he dropped or the elections both here and abroad he tried to over turn. So yes very easy to factually state the world would be a much more peaceful and lawful place without Obama. Now add to that he and Michelle's racial divisions they have stirred and wow it gets real easy to wish the cabal that created that fake would of never picked him. And for the topping just add that climate change, green energy, solar farm billion upon billion of wasteful spending and his picture grows darker by the day of what he created in the world.
With regards to Obama. I may disagree with much of that, however there is actually a great point in there that relates to the fake climate crisis.
1. Obama was awarded the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. The world was like.........WTF, he just got elected and didn't do anything yet. It was meant as a bribe by the very political members of the committee to influence Obama towards global socialism agenda, including the FAKE climate crisis scheme to spread the wealth from rich to poor countries.
https://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/david-keene/52226-nobel-committee-is-a-fraud/
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Re: Re: Re: US Climate Is Getting Less Extreme, Not More
By metmike - Jan. 20, 2023, 2:48 p.m.
2. The EPA, under Obama ruled that CO2 is a pollutant so that they could regulate it to save the planet. CO2 is a beneficial gas and at 430 parts per million, is less than half the optimal level for life. The planet was having an extremely low, CO2 drought over 100 years ago with levels below 300 ppm. Plants were shutting down. We rescued the planet from a near crisis low level of beneficial CO2. That's why the planet has GREENED UP by 30% in the last CENTURY. How are we killing the planet from "carbon" pollution that is massively greening it up??? We aren't because this is a climate optimum.
3. This side, constantly referring to CO2 as "carbon pollution" is using retarded, junk science. CO2 is a beneficial gas and the building block of life. Like hundreds of other MOLECULES/ things, it just happens to have an atom of C in it. This would be exactly like calling H2O, Hydrogen pollution because there is an atom of hydrogen in that MOLECULE.
Re: Re: Re: The Beauty of Earth
By metmike - March 3, 2025, 5:18 p.m.
4. The 2015 Paris Climate Accord is the biggest, fraudulent global joke in history, especially Obama's role, claiming that they had China on board. Twisting all the authentic facts about China that was exactly NOT on board.
https://www.obama.org/stories/paris-climate-agreement/
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By metmike - Jan. 20, 2023, 2:34 p.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 20, 2023, 2:48 p.m.
I'm a practicing environmentalist. If we wanted to help the planet to survive, we would be adding even MORE beneficial CO2 to green it up and feed life. CO2 is the building block of life.
Therealenvironmental crisis's
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Started by metmike - April 10, 2019, 7:11 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/
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This is the authentic science:
Death by GREENING!
Started by metmike - May 11, 2021, 2:31 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/
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CO2 IS in fact a greenhouse gas that has warmed the planet beneficially by almost 2 deg. F, mostly the coldest places of the higher latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere. It's also increased rains by 7% because the warmer air can hold more moisture. Also increases the intensity of some hurricanes from rapid intensification over water that is 1 Deg C warmer. Also, increases the intensity of heat waves slightly over deserts and some drier continental areas. In humid areas, the radiation absorption bands are already saturated from H2O and there is less increase in heat waves.
However, the benefits outweigh the negatives to THE PLANET by over 10 times. Our REAL pollution and unsustainable OVER consumption of natural resources IS hurting the planet badly.
However, our releasing CO2 from burning fossil fuels back into the atmosphere where it was originally before getting sequestered via photosynthesis, then mass decay well below the surface as fossils is treating the planet to the best thing that humans have ever done for the planet..........increase beneficial CO2, the building block of life.
That's why we are living in an authentic, scientific climate OPTIMUM not a CRISIS for life.
Humans on the other hand, especially those that live along coasts or in certain areas have more detrimental impacts but even there, the benefits are at least as great as the negatives.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-withdrew-paris-climate-accord-hallelujah-opinion-2018851
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This has nothing to do with Obama! ZERO!
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gaza-starvation-malnutrition-deaths-israel-hamas-war-palestinians/
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Killing people with bombs is actually more humane that killing them from starvation.
Netanyahu has the mindset of Adolf Hitler and his hatred of Jews.
This diabolical psychopath is being assisted by the United States politicians with his horrific genocide. The industry driving it and making it possible is the Military Industrial-Political complex, along with morally bankrupt leaders and politicians that put profits, political agenda and racism way ahead of human beings.
His partner in crime is President Donald Trump. The absurdity of Netanyahu's nominating Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize for assisting him with his Middle East war crimes is an order of magnitude more insane than President Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.
While the doctors without borders, are giving up their lives to help the victims of Netanyahu and US politicians/Trump (that are decimating a population of 2 million people, mostly children and women because they are despicable, self serving human beings.
Re: Re: Re: Re: : Odds of getting a Nobel Peace Prize
By metmike - July 16, 2025, 12:35 p.m.
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We've all read about the many horrific, large scale crimes in history perpetrated by evil people and their followers and allowed to happen because people that know better don't speak out strongly enough.
This isn't history, it's a current event and those people committing the large scale crime IS US!
So what happens in this country when people actually do speak out?
Go to protests that are trying to stop our supporting this genocide?
They are accused of being anti Semitic by Fox News, Donald Trump many of our R politicians, the Jewish coalition and even the devil from Israel who is adored by our morally bankrupt politicians.
The ones speaking out to stop the genocide, insanely are being portrayed as being anti Jewish perpetrators to silence them.
I'm against ALL hatred, regardless of the group being targeted. In this case, the solution is no brainer.
Stop the genocide in Gaza and you save lives of Muslims living there and at the same time, you stop almost the entire world from being outraged at Israel, WHICH IS JUSTIFIABLE.
If anything, we should have MORE protesting against this in the United States because WE ARE THE ONES ENABLING AND SUPPORTING THE GENOCIDE.
Fox news anchors will rot in hell (if there is one) for being Netanyahu's cheerleader and pushing this genocide as justifiable. It's one thing to have an anti humanity personal position but to push it on millions of people is stealing their moral intelligence and integrity.
The images at this link only represent the tiniest fraction of what is happening to the 2 million innocent people living in Gaza.
Re: Re: Re: The horrific Genocide ramps up
By metmike - Feb. 25, 2024, 7:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/102430/#102490
Mike said:
“Humans on the other hand, especially those that live along coasts or in certain areas have more detrimental impacts but even there, the benefits are at least as great as the negatives.”
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Hey Mike,
That’s highly debatable. How do the benefits of GW outweigh areas along and near the coasts and certain other areas being submerged as the sea level encroaches on them?
Also, I posted this at a wx bb today:
“I don’t think it’s accurate to say there’s no climate crisis from GW. The combo of the melting of land based ice flowing into the oceans as well as expansion of ocean water has been causing an accelerating rise of sea level. Also, higher dewpoint air being able to hold more moisture as well as a slight reduction of avg steering flow due to a reduced temp. contrast between the rapidly warming Arctic and the significantly slower warming of the tropics have combined to cause a notable increase in flooding rainfall events.
That being said, not everything about GW has been bad. One great thing is that global food supply has increased markedly due to larger crops. This is due to longer growing seasons (longer period between freezes) accompanied by increased moisture and the ability to grow crops further north. In addition, plants have more CO2 to take in for photosynthesis. I’ll reiterate that had we instead of GW had the same amount of cooling, global food supply would be much, much smaller thus likely leading to starvation of at least hundreds of millions. Another mini-ice age would have been terrible.”
Thanks Larry,
I disagree with part of that.
The oceans are rising at just over an inch/decade. Just over a foot/century. Though that rate is accelerating a bit the increase will likely be less than 2 feet the next century. NOT the 10 feet that some people claim.
And much of this is a continuation of the NATURAL sea level increase since the last Ice Age ended.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level
Many higher latitudes are actually seeing glacier rebound, so the land is rising faster than the oceans.
With regards to hurricanes.
Last time I checked, people along the coasts eat food too. 30% more food and cheaper food. You mentioned this already.
Going back to the "old" climate of the 1800s and the lower CO2 levels below 300 ppm would reduce food production by at least 30% and cause food prices to triple.........for people along the coasts too.
Cutting food production by 30% to world of 8 billion people? I think more than 1 billion people would die, maybe even 2 billion which is 25% of the population. Poor people wouldn't be able to afford food.
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Larry,
I would agree with you if you narrowed your statement down to Americans that live near the coasts in hurricane alley (GOM or Southeast), which is a minority in the US and an even smaller minority in the world.
They have a slightly higher risk of receiving more damage from a hurricane and more flooding because of 7% more moisture in the air.
Not so along the West Coast. Not so in most of the world along the coasts.
Mainly in the subtropics of the Northern Hemisphere and a narrow strip of the subtropics in the Southern Hemisphere.
Mainly with regards to property damage in those areas that might see a slightly stronger/wetter hurricane every 10 years or so.
So ~80% of the worlds coasts are NOT being impacted except for extremely rare events and the slight acceleration of the sea level increase above the natural increase the past ~20,000 years.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/
NOT because the hurricanes are taking more lives. The complete opposite has been happening.
MM..."nothing to do with Obama"....are you serious. So you are saying not one penny of that billions that Obama sent Iran......{the worlds largest sponsor of terror"" ever made it to the hands of the terrorist that attack Israel by the day....not one penny. I think you need to rethink that statement and correct it
Thanks, mcfarm!
The question was about Gaza!
Related to Iran, who was it that withdrew from the nuclear inspections deal in 2018?
We should note that the entire justification of this war and the US bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities was supposedly based on progress of Iran's nuclear program to the point that they were on the verge of having a nuclear weapon.
If there's anybody responsible for that situation, it would be the person that canceled the nuclear deal.
After Trump withdrew from the nuclear deal in 2018, what positives evolved that we can point to that made it worth Iran developing the nuclear weapon that they claim it resulted in?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
The United States announced its withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the "Iran nuclear deal" or the "Iran deal", on May 8, 2018.[1][2][3][4] The JCPOA is an agreement on Iran's nuclear program reached in July 2015 by Iran and the P5+1 (the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States—plus Germany)[5][6] also called E3/EU+3.
In a joint statement responding to the U.S. withdrawal, the leaders of France, Germany and the United Kingdom stated that the United Nations Security Council resolution endorsing the nuclear deal remained the "binding international legal framework for the resolution of the dispute".[7]
Various countries, international organizations, and U.S. scholars have expressed regret or criticized the withdrawal, while U.S. conservatives,[8][9] Israel, Saudi Arabia and allies have supported it.
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Iran had less money to support terrorism???
That could be true but they also had more incentive to support terrorism and develop nuclear weapons because of the sanctions placed on them to punish them. The situation that led to this bombing is evidence that Trumps withdrawal from the nuclear deal BACKFIRED big time.
Nobody can say that their so called peace programs were/are working in the Middle East in 2025. Not when you have unprovoked bombings of 1 country, Iran against international law in the middle of so called peace talks, a long lived unjustified genocide in another country, Gaza. Continued unjustified killing and persecution in the West Bank. An on and off war with Lebanon/Hezbollah.
The so called "bad guys" are greatly motivated/inspired right now by the genocide of innocent human beings/Muslims (mostly children and women) in Gaza. The reality is that, right now the so called "bad guys" have the moral high ground and are fighting for the just cause.
The reality is that we are NOT the good guys. Israel and the United States can't possibly be the good guys based on what they are doing in Gaza. Not by any stretch of the authentic facts. Manufactured realities and blatant lies by Fox News, our politicians and Netanyahu/Israel don't change the genocide to something different from a crystal clear genocide. The rest of the world has been calling this out but our morally bankrupt, all powerful military-industrial-political complex is driven by self enrichment, political agenda and hatred/racism(Islamophobia) NOT humanity.
I watched Mark Levin on Fox over the weekend. This guy is the high priest of hatred for people that are different than us, specifically all Muslims. He constantly denounces Islam as a fake religion, everybody that practices it as evil and that they all hate us and are all trying to destroy us, including the ones that live in Dearborn MI of our country.
How ironic. He's the one that has the hate and is TEACHING HATE to millions of viewers that come there because they want to believe him. How sad for viewers having their intelligence, moral integrity and principles that our country stands on(like freedom to practice religion) stolen from our brains.
How ironic that Levin pretends to base all his speeches on the US Constitution, when he is one of the most ANTI Constitution people on television.
MAGA people sincerely embrace his toxic rhetoric as enlightened messaging that defines their belief system which is more like a religion because its defined by an unshakeable faith in tenets that guys like Levin profess.
At least TRUE religions have MANY positives. This particular Muslim hating religion is having nothing but bad impacts, especially the ones with the hate in their hearts.
Hate(and love)
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Started by metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 4:15 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/99752/
Hey Mike,
From you and some others’ (like the person I was responding to at that wx bb) perspective, there is no climate crisis. For others, there is. There’s no one answer as it is also a matter of perspective and also degree. It’s not black and white. For me, it is a crisis for the reasons I gave (mainly due to rising sea level as well as increased frequency of inland flooding rain events). I’ve felt that way for years. However, I also see the great side of GW, larger crop sizes. That’s something most believing it is a crisis would never admit.
Thanks, Larry!
This is what I call an indisputable climate crisis, caused by the exact opposite conditions that we have now.
In the 1800's, before the Industrial Revolution enriched the planet with beneficial CO2 and when global temperatures were 2 degrees cooler than now from the green house gas warming this is what our world was like:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/#109795
Global cooling and LOW CO2 levels are what cause widespread, extremely long lasting droughts with catastrophic global and huge regional famines!
Here in 2025, we are living in a climate optimum with absolute, scientific certainty!!
Causes and consequences of nineteenth century droughts in North America
https://ocp.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/div/ocp/drought/nineteenth.shtml
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You want a REAL climate CRISIS?
This is what it looks like:
Can you imagine if this below happened today? It's less likely because climate change and the current climate OPTIMUM is helping to PROTECT US!
The planet had a REAL climate crisis between 1876 and 1878.
50 million people died. 3% of the global population died from that real climate crisis!
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2017/12/15/causes-great-famine-drought/
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2017AGUFMGC51F..04S/abstract
The 1876-1878 Great Famine impacted multiple regions across the globe including parts of Asia, Nordeste Brazil, and northern and southern Africa, with total human fatalities exceeding 50 million people, arguably the worst environmental disaster to befall humanity.
NASA EXPLAINS THE DUST BOWL DROUGHT
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2004/0319dustbowl.html
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Climate change in the United States, with 100% certainty is helping to protect us from widespread severe droughts.
Summer Climate Change in the Midwest and Great Plains due to Agricultural Development during the Twentieth Century
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/32/17/jcli-d-19-0096.1.xml
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We are indisputably living in a climate optimum for most life on this planet(that would still prefer a bit more warmth and a lot more CO2) and for growing crops in the United States!
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50 million people globally died from the Great GLOBAL Famine. from 1876-1878 FROM THE CLIMATE!
Compare that to what THIS CURRENT CLIMATE OPTIMUM (with technology) is doing:
Its not ALL technology. If we had the same climate of 1876-78 or any of the other 3 Dust Bowls in the 1800s, technology could not save us from millions of people starving because of the lack of food.
So how many people die each year in hurricanes?
It's not like we didn't have major hurricanes before the oceans warmed up 1 deg C over the last century.
This only goes out to 2008 but I'm short on time.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/outreach/history/
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So anybody can call anything a climate crisis if they want to move the goal posts to frame it to be a crisis locally or regionally.
However, a climate crisis is generally accepted to mean a GLOBAL condition.
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It's indisputable that this current climate (optimum) is PROTECTING US from these widespread, long lasting droughts. You agree that there is 7% MORE water vapor in the air, correct?
That there is much more transpiration from plants across the planet because it’s massively greening up from the increase in CO2..........which also make plants more water efficient/drought tolerant and heat tolerant.
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Now if we went from no hurricanes to these currents hurricanes it would be a crisis. Instead its some hurricanes slightly stronger and wetter in the places that have hurricanes.
The benefits are across the entire planet and a 30% greening and increase in food production for, not just humans but most of the creatures on this planet that eat plants or something that ate plants.
Larry,
I appreciate your objectively more than most on this topic very much.
The majority of climate scientists with 7 year doctorates would side with you and not me on this, so the consensus is on YOUR side not mine.
And in the 1990's, my opinion on this was quite a bit different and even stronger than yours about sea levels and hurricanes being a crisis that justified cutting CO2.
So what has changed?
Several things actually.
1. Up to and thru most of the 1980's, climate science, over all was honest. The Medieval Warm Period, 1,000 years ago was widely recognized as significant and similar to the current warm period. The Holocene Climate Optimum from 9,500 to 5,500 years ago was WARMER THAN THIS, especially in the higher latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere where the current warming was the greatest and it was universally called a climate OPTIMUM because of that warmth in some of the same places where today's, still cooler climate is a CRISIS because of, supposedly being too warm.
2. In the 1990's, the field of climate science became blatantly corrupted by the IPCC. What has happened seems almost impossible but I observed it happening and will explain further, Initially I was sucked in with trust and naivety, until the internet opened up opportunities for me to do independent study in order to obtain data, do objective analysis and generate comprehensive discernment independent of the hopelessly corrupted field of climate science.
3. A science cesspool of sorts where the VAST majority of climate science, suddenly insisted that these current conditions are BAD for all the GOOD life on the planet but GOOD for all the BAD life on the planet.
A climate crisis for all the good life, that includes humans in study after study. A climate CRISIS but somehow, the exact same conditions are a climate OPTIMUM for almost every form of the bad life. That defies logic when you see how the same principles were/are being applied completely differently(abused), violating the scientific method and open mindedness.
And photosynthesis, the source for almost all life on this planet has been downgraded to earning a very tiny weighting. CO2, the building block for all of life and currently, less than half of the optimal level at a very LOW 430 parts per million(the planet was in near CO2 starvation before the Industrial Revolution rescued it) is now a pollutant and is killing the planet, which is greening up because of the massive benefits from CO2.
If mainstream climate science had any objectivity or practiced the scientific method, then at the very least we would be seeing both sides. However, mainstream climate science has become hopeless corrupted.
4. The gatekeepers, the IPCC(Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) took control of climate science in the 1990's and since then, their reports have served as the bible for global climate crisis religion that the world's climate scientists follow with the same fervor and faith that followers of the Christian New Testament, Jewish Tankh and Islamic Qur'an use to follow their religions.
I spent THOUSANDS of hours, objectively and independently studying and analyzing the dynamics which caused this and the results and will share some of those threads/posts again which present the information.
There are several elements involved.
1. The one which defines the ulterior but altruistic motives that were the key for the IPCC and UN's agenda to make the world a better place is the objective to use the money and resources gained from extracting many billions(trillions over time) from rich countries and transferring that wealth to poor countries. I am REALLY good with this principle but not by hijacking and corrupting climate science. Even completely REWRITING climate history!!! It may be more effective than honestly compelling people to follow their hearts/empathy and generosity but the wonderful ends objective DOES NOT justify the blatantly corrupt means to generate the results. I would even be ok with the concept of global socialism, which this is if it was sold honestly as a way to help the billions of less fortunate people on this planet.
2. Crony Capitalism. Global governments following the INTERGOVERNMENTAL Panel on Climate Change have made trillions of dollars in funding available in subsidies and tax benefits to entities that invest in non fossil fuel investments.
3. Political Agenda. The D party in our country and liberal affiliated parties globally align with these objectives, that include helping those less fortunate and endorsing the concept of climate justice because, supposedly the climate crisis will punish the less fortunate people the most. Ironically, its the diametrically opposed polar opposite. It's the rich people taking advantage of the governmental scams and funding, 100s of billions in just the FAKE inflation reduction act alone. Poor people just getting by are impacted the most by the price of energy and the price of food, which fossil fuels and increasing CO2 helps to lower.
4. Scientific funding and peer review process. These have also been taken over by the gatekeepers so that it rewards scientists that follow the fake climate crisis narratives with almost unlimited grant money(for studies that have negative impacts on climate in them and nothing for those that would tell the truth about the climate optimum). Papers that find a climate crisis and ways to respond to the crisis are quickly approved for funding. Studies, intended to purely educate us about the authentic science of CO2 and its role as a beneficial gas???? HA! The are out there of course but need to find different funding sources and their results are vigorously attacked by mainstream science which defends junk science.
Unfortunately, a significant number of those that disagree with the mainstream, fake climate crisis narratives REALLY ARE DENIERS! They completely deny warming or insist that its all natural. Or that excessive rainfall events and stronger hurricanes will not happen from a slightly warmer climate. They make it exceptionally easy to vilify anybody that disagrees with the mainstream, fake climate crisis mentality by lumping EVERYBODY that disagrees with them into the DENIER category.
5. Teaching institutions. Starting from elementary school to higher education, our young people have been indoctrinated with JUNK climate science. 8 years ago, I spoke to 3 classrooms of students that were studying the weather/climate in their science class at a local elementary school. I discussed this topic, while not mentioning any of the science corruption because kids that age would be confused and it wasn't my place, as a guest speaker to contradict what the teachers that invited me there were telling them. However, I did discuss photosynthesis and the key role that CO2 plays and the positive contribution that CO2 was having to our planet that was greening up because of it. When I first hit them with this point, that the planet was greening up because of the increase in CO2, the main teacher that invited me said out loud for all of us to hear "Wow, I never thought about that!!"
And this was/is a good school, Oak Hill Elementary in Evansville, Indiana with dedicated, wonderful teachers.
She never thought about that because the school curriculum that she and the other teachers are teaching is indoctrinating our young people with fake climate crisis science. This was just 1 tiny example. Multiply that by 10s of millions of students and we now have an entire generation of young adults(working on the 2nd generation) that are completely indoctrinated in fake climate crisis religion by 3 decades of being taught junk climate science and junk biology/agronomy/plant science as it applies to this field.
This sounds like science fiction but its really has happened and the science fiction part is what they are teaching our young people about climate science that leaves out ALL the benefits, while greatly exaggerating or misleading on the negatives and completely leaving out AUTHENTIC climate history that proves this indisputably to be a climate OPTIMUM.
What teacher, teaches about the weather/climate of the 1800's (with much lower CO2 and temperatures)??
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113338/#113418
NOBODY DOES! Not even in college. Not even future scientists working on their PhD's. If they did, we/they would all know the secret being hidden from us....... that this climate and these conditions are indisputably a climate optimum for most life on earth based on authentic science.
Instead of killing the planet from too much CO2, the planet is begging us for MORE CO2, since the level is less than half of what life would prefer(closer to 900 ppm).
This only sounds/reads nuts because we've HAD OUR AUTHENTIC CLIMATE SCIENCE INTELLIGENCE STOLEN!
By metmike - June 7, 2025, 4:56 p.m.
Human emissions of CO2 have rescued the planet from CO2 starvation!
The current level of 430 parts per million is still LESS THAN HALF of the optimal level of life.
https://co2coalition.org/facts/140-million-year-trend-of-dangerously-decreasing-co2/
Explore our extensive library of facts and detailed data to empower yourself with knowledge, educate friends and family, and join us in our love for CO2.
https://co2coalition.org/facts/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrqrz857wgo
"It is a shame that Hamas has acted in this selfish way. We are resolute in seeking an end to this conflict and a permanent peace in Gaza."
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HUGH?????
You have to live in the United States or Israel and be incapable of using your brain for independent, objective and non racist thinking to believe this horse manure.
Israel and the United States have been conducting an horrific genocide for 657 days (since Hamas committed its heinous attack on Israel) out of hatred, revenge and agenda of ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
1. This is what Hamas wants.............. Israel to STOP THE GENOCIDE!
Withdraw the troops, stop dropping the massive bombs. Allow humanitarian aid with food, water and supplies needed for survival to enter the country. Even though the entire country has already been decimated.
Then, they will release the rest of the hostages.
2. This is what Israel/the US wants.
Release all the hostages and we will agree to a cease fire for X amount of time, then resume the horrific crimes against humanity to innocent human beings, mostly children/women because they are Muslims and Hamas will no longer have a bargaining tool(hostages).
What side has the reasonable position?
What side is doing all the killing and applying horrific conditions to 2 million innocent people, mostly children and women using the most despicable methods imaginable?
Hamas is a VERY evil group but Netanyahu (with his pal Trump) make them look like they qualify for sainthood with negotiations like this.
Maybe Trump will earn another Nobel Peace Prize nomination for his latest FAKE effort in the Gaza war, pretending to be a negotiator, like he pretended to be negotiating peace with Iran........then suddenly bombed them, unprovoked against international law because Netanyahu told him too.
His nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize from Ukraine WAS WITHDRAWN after Putin owned Trump and thinks (knows) that he's a joke and Trump failed to live up to his promise.
His nomination from Pakistan was also withdrawn after he bombed Iran.
Netanyahu owns Trump too.
Ironically, Trump likes to push around democratic countries/allies and destroy relationships with key trading partners because of his absurd tariffs but he adores and/or is owned by diabolical dictators that he should be standing up to the most.
His foreign policy agenda has put America at GREAT risk and are the worst for the world of any president in history!
Gaza is just another example of him doing everything.........EXACTLY WRONG!
What he SHOULD be doing is telling Netanyahu.........no more weapons/bombs/planes/ammo or support until you withdraw all your troops and allow life sustaining food, water and medical supplies to get into Gaza for the human beings having extraordinary suffering.
That's what a president or any man with power that had an iota of empathy for human beings would do!
Instead, Trump does the complete opposite. Coming up with his own unique, Trump version of ethnic cleansing blue print as he works hand and hand with his great friend and mutual admirer, the most evil man on the planet, the leader of Israel.
Israel’s public broadcaster, Kan, reports that the military has destroyed and buried tens of thousands of aid items – including food and medical supplies – that spoiled after sitting too long at the Gaza border.
Citing military sources, the report says the wasted aid amounted to the contents of roughly 1,000 trucks and was either burned or buried.
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This is intentional! Dugh!
Israel is an evil, rogue state sponsoring this horrific genocide in Gaza, while being assisted by the United States. The gatekeepers are morally bankrupt, diabolical people with no empathy for human beings.
It's ironic that so many Christians and Jews in the US and Israel strongly support this, while condemning Islam as an evil religion that indoctrinates hatred into its followers.
It's not the religion of Islam that is incorporating the hatred into Muslims, it's the horrific persecution of Muslims because of their religion by Jews and Christians.
If you kill many of my family members in cold blood because you hate me for my family/nationality/religion, what other response do you think will result?
The war in Gaza has massively amplified the hatred for Israel in the Middle East and around the world and in people living in the US that understand what's going on.
Who's fault is that?
Hamas?
Wrong answer!
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Trump lied again and is Netanyahu's puppet. Imagine that!
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/26/israel-gaza-humanitarian-pause-air-drop-food
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The amounts needed are probably 20 times what will be coming in and with Israel in control, you can bet they will lie about every aspect of it. This was just to pacify dozens of countries that were threatening to take punitive actions to punish Israel.
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In a joint statement, the countries demand that Israel end its war on Gaza. Here’s who signed and what they said.
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Not only was the United States NOT 1 of those 28 countries, Israel couldn't be doing this without the United States providing much of the ammo and support.
The United States Military-Industrial-Political complex is a diabolical conglomerate with thousands of morally bankrupt, rich and powerful people that use and abuse human beings for their self enrichment and agenda.
Add in the Jewish Coalition(s) in our country in cahoots with them related to Middle East issues.
Added: "Jewish Coalitions" is intended to mean all the money from Jewish organizations donated to politicians to influence them.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113338/#113454
The United States, as the richest country in the world, instead of leading the world to make it a better place and help those most vulnerable and most in need by sharing its wealth, know how and assistance is doing the diametrically opposed polar opposite of that in Gaza.
Our president not only doesn't give a sheet about these people, he's totally in cahoots with the Devil from Israel with their objective being the current genocide
Hey Mike,
What is the “Jewish Coalition”? I’m not aware of its existence.
Hi, Larry!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Jewish_Coalition
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I'm glad that you brought this up as my intention has been to use a term that includes ALL the Jewish money gushing into the coffers of politicians on both sides, intended to have an impact on them. I've been using Jewish coalitions but that obviously is not the correct term to use.
How about "pro-Israel money"?
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=2024&ind=Q05
| House | # of Members | Average Contribution | Total Contributions |
|---|---|---|---|
| Democrats | 206 | $112,392 | $23,152,839 |
| Republicans | 210 | $91,372 | $19,188,136 |
| Independents | 0 | $0 | $0 |
| TOTAL | 416 | $101,781 | $42,340,975 |
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The analysis also highlights how most of Congress is in line with conservative pro-Israel positions – but not with those of the US public. While the Guardian found just 17% of Congress was critical of Israel or called for a ceasefire in the first six weeks of the war, US polls show up to 68% of Americans support a ceasefire, and around 80% of Democrats.
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I explained the intended use of the term:
Added: "Jewish Coalitions" is intended to mean all the money from Jewish organizations donated to politicians to influence them.
From earlier tonight, here’s a great discussion between two Jews, Jon Stewart and Peter Beinart, that to a large extent echoes what I and especially Mike has been saying:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kXCdzt_us&t=1092s&pp=2AHECJACAQ%3D%3D
*Edited for correction
I've always thought that nobody is funnier than Jon Steward, especially the brilliant punchlines and the way he delivers them, along with the ironies and messages he sends while delivering it with hall of fame humor.
Larry,
It warmed my heart tremendously to listen to these 2 Jews speaking out and expressing these profound thoughts about humanity that should unite EVERYBODY from every religion and every country AGAINST this genocide.
Thanks for this post of the month and nominated to our Hall of Fame posts!
Post of the month-July 2025-WxFollower
Started by metmike - July 29, 2025, 11:01 a.m.
Israel’s leader claims no one in Gaza is starving. Data and witnesses disagree
