Tribalism in our world
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Started by metmike - Sept. 11, 2022, 11:37 a.m.

This article/author is very optimistic and offers the only advise that is ever going to help reverse the incredibly powerful and worsening political tribalism in our country right now.

I believe that they display a strong intentional denial of the tribalism based on their own facts early in the article and clearly, you can see from their other books what they are selling is responsible. The title is especially misleading. 

However, what tribal entities sell is political snake oil that controls our political relationships.

 What these authors are selling is worth more than gold!  The solutions in the form of the ANTI tribal mindset. This is what we all need to read and hear more of because it would actually fix the problem.

Sadly, powerful gatekeepers control the messages that intentionally drive the real world tribalism for self serving political reasons. 

For me,  a more honest/reality title would have been: "The solution to Tribalism"


The Myth of Tribalism

Beware of the false notion that group solidarity leads inevitably to conflict.

By Dominic Packer and Jay Van Bavel

By metmike - Sept. 11, 2022, 11:40 a.m.
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John and I spent some time 3 years ago having a great discussion on this and he pointed out something in that article that is the focus of this article that I missed at the time in 2019.

                HiddenTribes: America’s Polarized Landscape            

                            Started by metmike - Sept. 27, 2019, 7 p.m.   


                Re: HiddenTribes: America’s Polarized Landscape            

                         By 7475 - Sept. 29, 2019, 8:49 a.m.          


 The first paragraph in your post appears to be a self description by the authors of "More In Common".

From their description of the contributors I sense the group is well populated by the liberal or at least the opened minded.

My point being is this does not appear to be a conservative or liberal biased rag.

I stress again that I have just skimmed this work but was wondering if the above is fair to say.

Closer to true/fair/proper research than so much of the fodder being presented?


By 7475 - Sept. 11, 2022, 2:25 p.m.
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The first thing which comes to mind when I hear "Tribalism" is primitive culture. I couldn't be  more wrong thinking that is only where tribalism exists. It seems more of a human instinct - one we "sophisticated " humans have found how to refine and mask.

 Wolves in sheep's clothing.


By metmike - Sept. 11, 2022, 2:34 p.m.
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Wolves in sheeps clothing for sure, John!

Image result for wolf in sheeps clothing image

By wglassfo - Sept. 11, 2022, 8:54 p.m.
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Perhaps if I asked the question to all americans

Is the USA the world super power

Is it the responsibility of the political class in the USA to protect the super power status at any and all costs

Example: Russia and china is bad

Thus the USA must do any thing to keep the USA superior to russia and china

Superior as in superior military might

Most will not accept the emerging economic power of china

If I said china is superior to the USA in economic power, how many would disagree with me The tribalism of the USA is clearly evident Headlines often write opinion pieces about china economic problems The USA uses sanctions to punish those who oppose the USA Tribalism The USA supports sanctions Most think sanctions work Most will not write opinion pieces about how sanctions have made russia stronger than Germany as the energy spigot clearly tells us it is russsia who is in the drivers seat

If the USA had engaged in diplomatic negotiations re: NATO: would russia have felt the need to defend itself by invading Ukraine??

Does the USA feel the need to be superior to russia by supplying Ukraine and Taiwan with advanced weapons

Is this feeling of being superior a form of tribalism???

How many in the USA would welcome diplomatic negotiations with russia re: Ukraine war??

How many in the USA think russia must be defeated in Ukraine

Is this common thinking that russia must be defeated a form of tribalism???

By metmike - Sept. 12, 2022, 2:18 a.m.
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That's seems like a very reasonable interpretation to me, Wayne.

I had copied a copy more articles below on this topic but erased them after realizing that the authors were just speculating and in some cases, making a subjective interpretation that often reads as a work that's politically biased........and tribalistic in itself.

It's great to read optimistic articles but the reality is that those type of articles have been written on this topic for numerous years and the exact opposite has been happening.

Humans  and Americans are becoming MORE tribalistic.

I think that technology has created very powerful communication sources that will tell people whatever they want to hear/read and is greatly feeding tribalism.

Echo chambers.

Captured brains

People spend numerous hours a day on social media  communicating with birds of a feather or reading stuff that lines up with their ideology.

This is reinforcing whatever bias they have already and strengthening tribalism/divisiveness.

It's great to be optimistic that we can come together but people on the right, prefer right biased sources.

People on the left prefer left biased sources.

And the sources are often pretty critical of the other side. Not providing compelling reasons for working things out with those that disagree.

It's winner take all.

The end justifies the means to obtain it. 

By metmike - Sept. 12, 2022, 2:38 a.m.
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Our country's/world need more good role models but then, many people struggle to recognize them when they present themselves because they are drawn to the convincing liars.

Liz Cheney, for instance comes forward and stands up for what's right, putting that first, ahead of politics and you see what happened to her.

Many politicians are professional liars that get rewarded by the people for being that way.

Manipulating people is the name of the game, using deception or whatever tactic works.

A population being manipulated, half by one political side, the other half towards the other political side is the recipe for tribalism.........with 0/ZERO signs of that abating.

Our government leaders/politicians and media are intentionally trying to unify tribes for votes/power or ratings/circulation. They are programming the people to be this way. 

By metmike - Sept. 12, 2022, 2:57 a.m.
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People like this, below are NOT role models for unity.......just the opposite.

They bring us down by abusing the race card and trying to get us to hate cops or others and to convince us there's racism in places where there was no racism.

An example of a citizen using their influence to unfairly vilify others to enhance racially driven tribalism from their side.

Inspiring hate instead of love and pretending to be somebody which is the opposite of  what their actions tell us.