Life without petroleum-based products
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Started by metmike - May 21, 2022, 10:46 p.m.
By metmike - May 21, 2022, 10:50 p.m.
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What is crude oil and what are petroleum products?

Crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons that formed from plants and animals that lived millions of years ago. Crude oil is a fossil fuel, and it exists in liquid form in underground pools or reservoirs, in tiny spaces within sedimentary rocks, and near the surface in tar (or oil) sands. Petroleum products are fuels made from crude oil and other hydrocarbons contained in natural gas. Petroleum products can also be made from coal, natural gas, and biomass.

Products made from crude oil

After crude oil is removed from the ground, it is sent to a refinery where different parts of the crude oil are separated into useable petroleum products. These petroleum products include gasoline, distillates such as diesel fuel and heating oil, jet fuel, petrochemical feedstocks, waxes, lubricating oils, and asphalt.

A U.S 42-gallon barrel of crude oil yields about 45 gallons of petroleum products in U.S. refineries because of refinery processing gain. This increase in volume is similar to what happens to popcorn when it is popped.

By metmike - May 21, 2022, 10:58 p.m.
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Fake green energy in the form of solar and especially environmentally damaging wind can generate  diffuse and intermittent electricity but they can't replace the 6,000 products made out of crude oil.

We are committing energy, economic and material world suicide by eliminating fossil fuels!

The oddest thing is that we are actually doing it intentionally(not because fossil fuels are running out), during a climate optimum on a greening planet!

   Killing Coal            

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                Started by metmike - Nov. 21, 2021, 10:57 p.m.    

This would be like somebody living in the state of Michigan, surrounded by the massive water resource of the Great Lakes, to ban the use of any existing water in the ground or in the rivers/lakes and claim "by 2040, we will be using a renewable source for all of our water...........RAIN!

Then, to  steer all  new investments in this industry  toward building cisterns for collecting rainwater.

Actually, what we are doing to eliminate fossil fuels is MUCH dumber and MUCH MORE harmful than that!

By metmike - May 21, 2022, 10:59 p.m.
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Another secret about fossil fuels: Haber Bosch process-fertilizers feeding the planet using natural gas-doubling food production/crop yields. September 2019

By metmike - May 21, 2022, 11:14 p.m.
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This is what got it started and it was absolutely INTENTIONAL!

Obama KNEW this would happen to prices, so did others.

I may be a fairly smart scientist from Indiana but there is no way that all these things could be crystal clear to me for over a decade and these gatekeepers IN THE KNOW AND FORCING THIS ON THE WORLD were somehow oblivious. 

President Obama Wants Higher Energy Prices

Biden didn't start it but he is carrying the baton. After a brief suspension in the plan to kill fossil fuels for 4 years(Europe continued with the plan though), Biden, on day 1 signed us back up with the fake climate crisis Accord, stopped the Key Stone pipe line to help with his war on oil and began aggressive  legislation to kill natural gas.

Why hasn't the obvious been so obvious, so that we could have avoided this?

Because the messages and false narratives  have all been "Fossil fuels are killing the planet and the only way to save the planet is to kill fossil fuels"

Under this guise, they were able to trick people into thinking the current climate optimum for life on this greening planet is actually..........a climate crisis and the only way to save the earth is to get rid of fossil fuels.

Slight global warming is for real but the benefits outweigh the negatives......which has already been shown on the NTR forum dozens of times.

By metmike - May 21, 2022, 11:15 p.m.
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The ESG Community Lacks an Understanding of What Crude Oil is Used For

Unintended consequences of the ESG rage ridding the world of crude oil usage would be the restricted supply and resultant inflationary pressures on the limited supply of products and fuels manufactured from crude to meet growing demands that support:


  • Asphalt for roughly sixty-five million miles of roads in the world.
  • Tires for the 1.4 billion vehicles in the world.
  • Fertilizers to feed the eight billion in this world on an increasingly resource-stretched and crowded earth.
  • Medical supplies that are primarily made from oil derivatives.
  • Jets that comprise more than 50,000 aircraft for military, commercial, private and the President’s Air Force One.
  • Merchant ships that comprise more than 53,000 vessels that move products throughout the world.
  • Vehicles that are mostly made of plastics.
  • Renewable components of wind turbines and solar panels that are made from oil derivatives.


The domino effects of tinkering with the supply chain of fossil fuels are supply shortages and soaring prices for the consumers, for not only electricity, but for the thousands of products that support the entire medical industry, all branches of the military, airports, electronics, communications, merchant ships, container ships and cruise liners, as well as asphalt for roads, and fertilizers to help feed the world.

By joj - May 23, 2022, 7:49 a.m.
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That's a pretty amazing list Mike.

I didn't dig in to every link but I am curious what percent of petroleum usage goes toward the internal combustion engine.  Do you know?  

By metmike - May 23, 2022, 9:50 a.m.
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By metmike - May 24, 2022, 7 p.m.
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Biden praises high gas prices as part of ‘incredible transition’

“Here’s the situation,” Biden answered in-part. “And when it comes to the gas prices, we’re going through an incredible transition that is taking place that, God willing, when it’s over, we’ll be stronger and the world will be stronger and less reliant on fossil fuels when this is over.”

metmike: That was NO GAFFE. That was THE PLAN.

There is no chance of THE PLAN to work with its current design.

To put that into odds, the current plan has a 0.001% chance of working without tremendous, permanent damage to most people in the US.......not the world but the US.

China, Russia, India and others are full steam ahead with fossil fuels, including building many new coal plants and with CO2 well mixed in the global atmosphere, it means the US has a recipe to obliterate it's economy and cause great hardship to it's people...............for no authentic reason. 

We're having a climate optimum NOT a climate crisis.

Maybe more people will wake up to what a few of us have been saying for more than 15 years because this was always going to be the result. You can defy physical, energy, climate/meteorological, biological and economic laws with manufactured realities sold to people with green fairy tales.

When it comes time to apply the fairy tales to the real world...........this is what happens.

                Climate Reality discussions            

                         Started by metmike - April 15, 2019, 4:10 p.m.    

By metmike - May 25, 2022, 3:46 p.m.
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For those that remember climate change as mainly being an NTR topic and wonder why it might have been boosted to the Market/Trading forum.........wonder no more.

The green "theories" that have previously been manufactured to trick people into believing, using the fake "climate crisis" and "save the planet bs" have come to roost. 

Now, the inevitable damage/pain is being inflicted on all US consumers of, not just energy products but it affects all products in every industry, including all commodity prices. 

Putin didn't cause this. He made it worse and faster but if you want the designers, look back to Obama (above in this thread) and the United Nations/Climate Accord RUSE for the biggest reasons. .......which can be documented as starting with gusto in, at least the 1980's.

Here's more comments on Bidens truthful statement about THE PLAN from a site that was created by Anthony Watts in 2006, that has also predicted it coming from the get go.

President Biden – High Gasoline Prices are an “Incredible Transition”

By metmike - May 26, 2022, 8:28 p.m.
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Then, there's the issue of man made fertilizer.

Fertilizer in the soils:

And fertilizer in the air:

For every 5 PPM increase in CO2, plant growth increases around 1%.

So the increase in CO2 from under 300 ppm to almost 420 ppm, equates to almost  a 25% increase in world food production.

The use of fertilizers in the soil has had an ever greater positive affect on crop yields and world food production.

Without fossil fuels,  food production would drop well over 50%. That's based  on the indisputable science of photosynthesis. Solar and wind power can make fake green renewable and unreliable energy but replacing fossil fuels with it those sources would greatly reduce kill food production.

Not to worry!

The biggest producers of fertilizer, China and Russia are full steam ahead with fossil fuels and will be producing MORE fertilizer. They are building MORE coal plants, as is India. So the world can still go to them for needed soil fertilizer and CO2 is well mixed in the global atmosphere, so plants will continue to flourish from THEIR CO2 emissions.

So our plants will do just fine.

It's just the economy and consumers that would be clobbered.

Probably don't worry in the long run about our economy!

The blatant flaws in the  impossible plan to eliminate fossil fuels are being exposed right now as it gets applied in the early stages. Voters in the US will speak on election day and replace the fake climate crisis crowd with people that have sensible energy policies based on authentic principles vs the nonsense being sold now.

By Jim_M - May 27, 2022, 12:21 p.m.
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People are truly clueless how much fossil fuels impact their everyday lives.  Of course everyone wants to be a clmiate activist, until they want to go on vacation and get on that 737.  

By metmike - May 27, 2022, 4:40 p.m.
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By metmike - June 10, 2022, 4:09 p.m.
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When the price of petroleum and natural gas soar higher like they have been, the cost of all those items mentioned above(that use petroleum/natural gas) also goes up.........ON TOP OF the direct cost for transportation and heating/cooling."

"The war on fossil fuels is in the early stages of killing our economy while being the biggest factor for the increase in inflation!