Rural/Republican states hit hardest by COVID
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Started by metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 7:40 p.m.

Before the vaccinations, the highest rates and deaths from COVID were in the urban democrat dominated areas, where many more people are and it's much more congested everywhere.  That made complete sense.

Since the vaccinations, however, that has completely flipped to the Rural, republican areas now having the highest incidence of COVID. It would make no sense except for one main fact that explains a big part of it..........rural(republicans) Americans are not getting vaccinated at the same rate as urban(democrats) Americans.

There are several other factors of course but getting vaccinated or not is the biggest one by far right now.

The data on this is pretty powerful(in copying the graph on 2 pages below, a few in the middle are at the bottom or page 1 and the top of page 2.

By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 7:50 p.m.
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The darker greens are the areas with the highest % of people vaccinated..........mostly blue/Dem states........they mostly have the lowest amount of % of COVID cases.

The lighter greens have the least amount/% of people vaccinated. They are ALL red/Rep states. They mostly have the higher to highest % of COVID cases.

Here are the exact numbers for each state below:

States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated: Aug. 9

Blue/Dem states mostly at the top, Red/Rep states mostly at the bottom.

The political party map below matches the COVID vaccination rate almost exactly.

By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 8:24 p.m.
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Why is this happening????

After 8 months of vaccinating, we have seen some specific patterns evolving. 

One of them relates to where people get their COVID related information from.

In rural/republican states, people are getting some to much of their COVID information from very unreliable sources.

Sources that I have welcomed here all year, while others sites have censored them because of their dangerous that I could expose them and provide authentic science as a fact checker and scientist.

The truth on this is extraordinarily important because thousands of people will (not maybe) WILL for sure die from the massive amount of disinformation being passed around at these sites.

Even very intelligent, previously objective minds are being captured by this dangerous propaganda.

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                Started by GunterK - Aug. 5, 2021, 1:02 p.m.    

negative vaxx comments

Many of them feel that the government doesn't have the right to tell them what to do and this applies to getting vaccinated. They also read all sorts of cherry picked, outlier/anomalous data that represents a tiny fraction of whats going on, instead of getting the indisputable, authentic science that represents all the other VAST majority of cases.


I am extremely for individual freedoms and rights to make individual choices............but everybody that dies from COVID will have gotten it from somebody else.

If you drink a half gallon of vodka and fall out of your 2nd floor window and seriously injure's on you.

If you drink a half gallon of vodka and drive your car on the're rights are infringing on the safety of other innocent people. It's ethically and legally wrong because you can hurt other people. 

If you die from COVID because you didn't get's on you. 

If you didn't get vaccinated, got COVID and gave it to other people and they gave it to even more hurt other people with your choice. It's just that simple. 

Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins

Here are 2 of the absolute worst sources for credible/reliable information on anything and are the worst for COVID vaccine information. There is no question that they are(not might be) killing people. 


2. Natural News

In case you aren't familiar with Natural News. They were leading the anti vax charge even before COVID.

This was BEFORE that time:

The Small, Small World of Facebook’s Anti-vaxxers

February 27, 2019

metmike: Over the last 3 years, I've become much more of a fact checker than a moderator much of the time.  I believe that we should all get authentic opinions from everybody and try to see all sides of different topics......applying objectivity and the scientific method to establish the truth.

Those 2 sources of information above, should never be part of that legit process. The VAST majority of opinions that they offer totally contradict everything that we should be seeking when we look for objective truths. 

They are costing many American lives!

Alex Jones and others are targeting people, some are my friends....stealing their intelligence for self serving personally enriching reasons. He is a rich man because he convinces people that his censored stuff contains secrets the MSM doesn't want you to know.  I've read many hundreds of his messages in the past in addition to the ones past on to me here as evidence of the fake COVID vaccine crisis.

There is no person online with less credibility. None. Very few that are less dangerous with this particular message........delivered with hatred and junk science. 

I am telling you this as a friend that cares about you(knowing it will tick off some people)  and get exactly ZERO for it......other than knowing it's the right thing to do. .....and might save a few lives.


By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 10:48 p.m.
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Interesting articles about INFOWARS/JONES.

By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 11:06 p.m.
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Jones is actually a very fascinating and bright person.....who has gotten rich off of selling himself and extreme views. 

Here is a discussion about him for our deep thinkers:

Analysing Alex Jones and Infowars, this contribution set out to understand Jones’ position and success as an ideological entrepreneur, pushing counter-hegemonic ideologies into the mainstream, and the role of celebrity and various media in this endeavour, meanwhile identifying the national path dependence of a global populist-nationalist movement.

First, the analysis suggests that Jones fits Storr’s (2011) characterization of an ideological entrepreneur. As long-time media owner and personality, Jones has made it his life work (1) to find and, in fact, create opportunities to sell his world views. He qualifies as (2) ‘bold innovator’, creating a counter-ideological mix of False Flag/Deep State conspiracies with fantastical theories about lizard elites ruling the world. This is backed by a business model based in monetizing the fear he creates with messages explicitly presented as (3) a ‘better’ explanation for what is happening in the US and beyond than what mainstream media and politicians suggest. Interestingly, the ‘better’ alternative is dystopian and competes with more scientific/common-sense explanations. Assaulting all aspects of democratic society, (4) he aggressively dismisses mainstream ideological paradigms, hereby (5) openly attacking any person (like Hillary Clinton) and institution (like mainstream media) that criticize him. In fact, he is at his ‘best’ when opposed, as it fits his idea of a conspiracy to shut up him and his followers. The attention that his spectacle of populist-nationalist conspiracism generates with mainstream media and diverse audiences has been instrumental in pushing his counter-ideology from the fringe into the mainstream, further enabled by Jones and Trump’s mutual endorsement.

Second, our case suggests the importance of the celebrity persona in the success of a contemporary ideological entrepreneur. Jones presents himself to the world as a true conspiracist: his exaggerated style and highly emotional rants evince a fusion between his public and private celebrity persona, creating a heightened sense of authenticity (Van den Bulck, 2018). Alex Jones is his message. Interestingly, the remix and meme culture around Alex Jones, both in favour and as a mockery of his message and persona, have helped to bring his fringe message to wider audiences. By presenting him as a ‘harmless fantast’ and a ‘crack-pot conspiracist’, his ironic spectators arguably have been complicit in the mainstreaming of his message. In this regard, Jones is part and parcel of the ironic, popular culture infused populist messages on the right (and the left), aimed to appeal to a wide following while making it hard to unmask and stop their distribution (cf. Marwick and Lewis, 2017).

Third, the analysis of his (use of) media presents a complex picture that refutes interpretations that social media ‘create’ ideological entrepreneurs and their following. The core of Jones’ media empire are legacy media including talk radio, public access cable television and the Internet, that are alternative-activist in their content and approaches to audiences. Social media serve as amplifiers rather than creators, in part because Jones understands how to attune his legacy media content to their formats and algorithms, connecting with the online movement of the Alt Right (Heikkilä, 2017). The role of social media is most evident in their ‘ban’ that hampered Jones’ outreach, yet did not terminate his ideological endeavours as his legacy media found other platforms and distributors. While not this article’s focus, the Jones/Infowars case certainly lays bare both the technical question of what constitutes a ban (e.g., stop hosting versus banning content host elsewhere) and the legal-conceptual weighing of free speech versus hate speech. The social media ban certainly came across as highly reluctant and as a public relations exercise to please users (Roku hosting then removing Jones following customer outcry) and politicians (US congressional and European Commission hearings with Zuckerberg). If anything, by the time Jones was banned, his work as ideological entrepreneur was done, as he had managed to infuse his ideas from the fringe into the mainstream.

Finally, the Jones/Infowars case illustrates the path dependence and idiosyncrasies of national emanations of a global phenomenon such as populist nationalism. To the extent that white nationalism in the US is based in victimhood, it is related to conspiracy, itself an ideological lens rooted in distrust of authority and loss of control (Aupers, 2012). In the US context, conspiracists and Alt Right feed off of each other, creating a climate in which ideological entrepreneurs such as Alex Jones thrive and can recruit a considerable following from amongst those that feel powerless and left behind (Achterberg et al., 2017). Their simple, externalized explanations (it’s a conspiracy!) help people make sense of the world. At the same time, the digital ecology that operates as a platform and amplifier for political opinion making is global in nature. As such, and ironically, while deeply rooted in US socio-political culture, Alex Jones and Infowars represent a local exponent of a contemporary trend that is global in nature while populist-nationalist in its message.

By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 11:12 p.m.
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I found it very interesting that at the custody hearing for his children, his attorneys  said that everything he does in his professional radio life/show was complete bs and he's not really like that off the air/at home and doesn't really believe most of the crazy stuff that he sells on his shows.

So was he lying about all that because he knew the court would see that type of person as an unfit father, or was he telling the truth to the court and lies on the air?

So he either lies for a living and actually believes his own lies.......... but will lie about believing his own lies in court because he knows that his behavior would make him a bad father........or he lies for a living and knows they are lies  and told the truth about his lying in court. In both cases, he is doing it for the money...........and makes tons of it.

President Trump's Favorite Conspiracy Theorist Is Just 'Playing a Character,' His Lawyer Says

Judging Jones by his Infowars performances would be like judging Jack Nicholson by his depiction of the Joker on “Batman,” Wilhite told state District Judge Orlinda Naranjo last week, the Austin American-Statesmanreported.

Kelly Jones is seeking sole or joint custody of her three children, ages 14, 12 and 9, with her ex-husband, an ardent supporter of President Trump who broadcasts from his Austin home.

“He’s not a stable person,” she reportedly told the court. “He says he wants to break Alec Baldwin’s neck. He wants J-Lo to get raped.”

The Alex Jones who told his legions of “Infowars” listeners bogus stories about the U.S. government being behind the 9/11 attacks and about Hillary Clinton operating a pedophile ring out of a Washington pizza joint is really “a performance artist.”

That’s according to Jones’ own lawyer — not the mainstream media that the right-wing radio jock derides as “fake news.”

“He’s playing a character” and is nothing like his online persona, attorney Randall Wilhite reportedly insisted in a Texas courtroom at a pre-trial hearing ahead of the right wing radio jock’s custody battle with ex-wife Kelly Jones.

nfoWars’ Alex Jones’ Twitter bio declares that he is “Fighting for Freedom & Liberty on the Frontlines of Truth Journalism,” despite his penchant for pushing baseless conspiracy theories like “Pizzagate” and the idea that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a “hoax.”                  

But a lawyer for Jones recently said the conspiracy theorist is merely playing a character when he speaks via his InfoWars channels. “He’s playing a character,” attorney Randall Wilhite said during a recent pretrial hearing. “He is a performance artist.”                  

The Austin American-Statesman reports Jones is in the middle of a custody battle, and his ex-wife and mother of his three children, Kelly Jones, has said his fiery rants prove he is not a fit parent. “He’s not a stable person,” Kelly Jones has said, according to the Statesman. “He broadcasts from home. The children are there, watching him broadcast.”

By metmike - Aug. 9, 2021, 11:20 p.m.
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Wow, this is exactly what I was saying!

Alex Jones Suffers Defeat In Custody Hearing


"Mr. Jones is like a cult leader," the conspiracy blogger's ex-wife told the jury. "And we've seen the horrific damage cult leaders do to their followers."

For onlookers, the trial then offered the allure of answering the burning question: Where does Alex Jones the character end and Alex Jones the man begin?

Alex Jones’s Attorneys Argue That No Reasonable Person Would Believe What He Says

The Infowars honcho’s legal troubles mount.

"Jones’s brand is built upon the idea that he’s a lone crusader against the mainstream media, telling his audience bold truths about a world that he claims lies to them constantly. For about the first decade and a half of his career, he did so very much as a fringe character in the media landscape, an Austin-based outlaw spouting off conspiracies about black helicopters, vaccines, the CIA, and 9/11. His influence grew after the election of Obama in 2008, as “patriot” groups and militias took hold around the country, and Jones’s theories and aesthetic found a much larger constituency. As it did, his business model shifted, too—from something funded largely by DVD sales and advertising to an outlet for dietary supplements intended to protect users from the sort of health-related conspiracies that Jones railed against on his show."

By metmike - Aug. 10, 2021, 10:25 a.m.
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Nobody has the right to kill somebody else out of ignorance. Every person that died and will die from COVID, caught it from another person that had COVID. 

Everybody has the right to do things that  harm or even kill themselves..........but a contagious disease affects others........or course it does. 

If I drink a half gallon of vodka and fall out of an upstairs window and get severely's not a crime.

If I drink a half gallon of vodka, then get into a car and is a crime.

Mandatory vaccinations has been made out to be against the  right for people to be able to choose what they put or don't put into their own bodies. We all have that absolute right. But we don't have the right to put or not put things into our bodies that scientifically/statistically is proven to kill thousands of completely innocent people. 

The science/ethics and facts are entirely on one side. 

Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins

By metmike - Aug. 12, 2021, 9:16 p.m.
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The CDC reveals how many fully vaccinated people died from COVID-19        

New numbers from the CDC suggest fully vaccinated people remain protected against hospitalization and death


Do people die from COVID after getting the COVID-19 vaccine?

New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggests 99.999% of people who were fully vaccinated against COVID-19 did not have a severe breakthrough case that led to hospitalization or death, CNN reports.

  • Per the CDC, more than 166 million people have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.
  • The new data suggests 1,507 people (about 0.001%) of those fully vaccinated people died from COVID-19.
  • Meanwhile, 7,101 people of those fully vaccinated people (about 0.005%) were hospitalized from COVID-19.

The newest numbers are accurate as of Aug. 2, just when the delta variant of the novel coronavirus began to spread in the United States, according to CNN.

By metmike - Aug. 12, 2021, 9:38 p.m.
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On these stats below, one would have to be brain dead to not appreciate the monumental difference between vaccinated and not vaccinated for all 50 states for those hospitalized and dead. However, the stats will be skewed to be more amplified to make the vaccinated look to be much better protected because the pool of unvaccinated was so much larger, especially in the beginning. 

Even so, after half the people have been vaccinated, waaaay more than half the hospitalizations and deaths are still coming from the unvaccinated.

In places where almost all the people are vaccinated, of course it will flip to the other way. There are no longer any unvaccinated people to get real sick and die there. In those cases the rates of severe cases and deaths have plunged vs previous to vaccinations. 

Another element at play is that the effectiveness of being vaccinated is starting to wane a bit for the earliest ones getting vaccinated, so we should see an increase in rates for that group.

This is why I will be at the front of the line for my booster shot this Fall!


Starting with Alabama, where the hospitalization rate for people unvaccinated is 75 times greater than those  vaccinated. The death rate for those unvaccinated is 48 times higher than those vaccinated.

 No Gunter, there weren't thousands of  people positioned in all 50 states that conspired to rig or make up these stats..........the data is the data.

Anybody that can't see it after all this needs to find professional help with a therapist that specializes in helping people in cults.........but sadly, this is what our world has turned into. Religious beliefs based on the doctrine of political high priests 

For example, the fake climate crisis is just a religious cult believing that we are killing our planet..........that is massively greening up right in front of us as we experience the best weather and climate for life in the last 1,000 years, since the Medieval Warm Period/Climate Optimum, that was also this warm!

How Rates of New Covid-19 Hospital Admissions and Deaths Compare

   Among fully vaccinated people and among people who were not fully vaccinated in each state since vaccination began.

By mcfarm - Aug. 13, 2021, 6:34 p.m.
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MM, did you look at Sturgis v Lalapaloaosa in Chicago? Of course Sturgis was a rat infested orgy of fly over nuts who were not vaccinated according to the press. While Chicago was a group of vaccinated, saphisticats according to the same press. Both had similar crowds but Sturgis was longer time period. Have seen stats that the covid numbers are nearly identical. Like many covid numbers its hard to tell the forrests from the trees. Ie CDC had Florida numbers butchered just last week

By joj - Aug. 13, 2021, 8:25 p.m.
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I take no pleasure  at all in noting the irony that so called conservatives are killing off their voters with bogus disinformation.  Get vaccinated people!

By metmike - Aug. 14, 2021, 1:32 a.m.
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"Like many covid numbers its hard to tell the forrests from the trees."


That's only if you are going to the anti government, anti Biden, anti Fauci, anti science, anti COVID vaccine sites that are targeting republicans with really bad COVID vaccine messages for THEIR personal political and ratings and profiting(INFOWARS for example)  agenda.

Those pathetic cruds are stealing the intelligence of republicans, delivering dangerous disinformation messages which IS, not might be but IS, with certainty, killing more republicans (their targets to make money/ratings) by telling them things they want to hear(like-"the government only wants you to get vaccinated so that they can control you......don't let them do that to you" "don't let the government take your God given right to choose what goes into your body"

 Should you let those  self serving, disinformation sources steal your intelligence and cause you to make a horrible, in some cases, deadly medical decision for you, your family and everybody that comes in contact with you????

Hell no! Don't let them continue to do that!! Take your freedom to know the truth back from them and their intentional brainwashing. Take your right to know the truth back from them(they are tricking you, pretending that only they have the truth-which is supposedly being hidden/censored by the MSM-they are the ones lying)

Instead, get vaccinated  with the indisputably proven, with crystal clarity, the extremely safe and very effective(at reducing severe infections and death) COVID vaccine.

Anybody confused on that is going to sites intentionally confusing them because the verdict was in months ago and now there have been over 4,000,000,000 shots.

I get that you like going to those bad science, political sites but try to take a break long enough to let the authentic science break thru the COVID disinformation brainwash.

Never any censoring at MarketForum............just the OBJECTIVE, authentic science, empirical data/facts, truth and total transparency. 

And off the charts tolerance/patience allowing junk order to continually expose  and correct it with authentic science being hidden at many far right sites right now.

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It’s too dang important!

By metmike - Aug. 14, 2021, 10:34 a.m.
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joj's advice couldn't be better! Thanks joj!

A year ago, all the talk/disagreeing  was about how soon or not so soon,..........before the vaccine was ready.........but we would have to wait until then before we could beat COVID. Seems like many agreed strongly on this. Especially republicans, who were touting Trump's unprecedented push to get the vaccine ready in record time. When Trump was in office, the official republican narrative was to hang our hats on the effectiveness of the vaccine, which would greatly help us to crush COVID and  allow Americans to get their freedoms back again. No more lockdowns or mask wearing because everybody getting vaccinated was going to cut COVID back severely. Trump was constantly touting the vaccine to save us.

There were some skeptical democrats, like Pelosi/AOC/Harris that said that if Trump said they had to get vaccinated, then they would not do it but if Fauci said to get vaccinated, then they would get vaccinated. Individual democrats also became skeptical. 

Then, we had a sudden shift in political regimes/administration.  The Biden people took over and THEY became the huge COVID vaccination advocates.........picking up exactly where Trump left off and actually trying to take a bunch of credit for things that Trump should get credit for,  like COVID peaking BEFORE Biden took office in January.

 Since it was now Biden and democrats leading the push to be vaccinated, the republican narrative, that had been extremely pro vaccine when Trump was in office, completely flipped 180 degrees. Suddenly, all the far right republican sources (fighting against anything that helps Biden) were telling us that vaccinations were harmful and they were not effective. Now, we were being told that the government was trying to control us by making us get vaccinated and it violated our God given rights and freedom to choose for ourselves.

What the heck? Back when the vaccines were uncertain and not proven a year ago...........but Trump was behind them.....the official message of the far right was vaccines would save us.

Then, after 4,000,000,000 shots have irrefutably proven (with powerful data and authentic science) COVID vaccines to be very safe and very effective at protecting against severe infections and death............the official message of the far right is the total opposite.........that they are unsafe and don't work?

It should be the complete opposite!

The main thing that changed is the party of  the president/administration  giving the message. It's clear that the far right sources are purely responding to only this. Forget the authentic science/medicine and data. Support your party, reject the other party. When Trump was for something it was good. When Biden is for the exact same thing, even after it's proven to be's now really bad. 

This entire thread conclusively proves all these points. 

Here is the latest below:

What group of people have the least vaccinations? Republicans!

This is exactly consistent with the  convincing graphs/charts and comprehensive state data above. Why is this happening?

Just read Gunter's posts this Summer to see why. We should note that Gunter never made any anti COVID vaxx posts last year the entire time when Trump was for the vaccines. Since Biden took over(and far right sources took over Gunter's brain) he's made over 100 anti COVID vaxx posts here, most that defy authentic science and data.

By metmike - Aug. 17, 2021, 7:22 p.m.
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Same thing as the last update.........except most states have a HIGHER rate compared to then.

Mostly red states at the top(except for RI) with the most amount of COVID and the least amount of vaccinations. 

Mostly blue states at the bottom.........with the least amount of COVID and most vaccinations.

It's even more extreme/anomalous with hospitalizations and deaths.

Get vaccinated to protect yourself!!!

Wyoming      11,742

Georgia         11,730

Missouri        11,728

Delaware      11,664

Idaho            11,559

Illinois           11,476

Texas             11,403                           Hawaii           3,418