Huge problem with the vaccine...refusing to take it!
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Started by metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 12:05 p.m.

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metmike: The problem is that far too many people are refusing to take it because they are irrationally afraid!

And these are health care workers, who one assumes would be more medically and scientifically informed than the general population!

Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines as distribution rollout struggles

"A large percentage of front-line workers in hospitals and nursing homes have refused to take the Covid-19 vaccine, a hurdle for public health officials as the country struggles to roll out inoculations around the country.

About 50 percent of workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, along with 60 percent of nursing home staff in Ohio.

"Rollout for the vaccine has already been met with several logistical hurdles as only 2.6 million people have been vaccinated as of Wednesday. A review by NBC News of earlier data Tuesday found that at the current rate, it would take almost 10 years to inoculate enough Americans to get the pandemic under control."

metmike: We can thank the MSM for doubling the number of people afraid of the vaccine. Like with everything, when Trump pushed for something.........good or bad, they had to take the exact opposite position to vilify him and in the case of good things, like the vaccine..........poison minds against it. 

Their strategy worked well in defeating him but it's caused major damage in order to accomplish it.

 When the Trump administration promised a vaccine in record time in the Spring/Summer, media heavyweights like CNN bombarded  us with articles like this:

The timetable for a coronavirus vaccine is 18 months. Experts say that's risky

 (CNN)Eighteen months might sound like a long time, but in vaccine years, it's a blink. That's the long end of the Trump administration's time window for developing a coronavirus vaccine, and some leaders in the field say this is too fast -- and could come at the expense of safety.

The estimated time made headlines last month, when Trump remarked at a televised Cabinet Room meeting with pharmaceutical executives that a vaccine could be ready in "three to four months." There, in front of TV cameras, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), poured cold water on Trump's estimate, saying it would be more like a year to a year and a half.


Ever since, that estimate of 12-18 months has become gospel, its appearance in media stories ubiquitous. But medical experts and scientists with firsthand experience developing vaccines are skeptical. 

"Tony Fauci is saying a year to 18 months -- I think that's optimistic," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a leading expert on infectious disease and vaccine development at Baylor College of Medicine. "Maybe if all the stars align, but probably longer."

Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly.

"When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

Vaccines development  typically measured in years, not months

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 12:07 p.m.
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And we have profound quantitative proof measuring the affect that the constantly negative, Trump bashing unsafe vaccine stories had on people from last Spring until the election.

The number of people who said they would not get the vaccine went from 27% to 49% from May to September, during the anti Trump, unsafe early vaccine campaign. This has recovered halfway since Trump was defeated and the anti Trump, anti early vaccine propaganda has reversed to the truth.  These people in the survey were not doing their own research, they were simply reading and listening to the MSM stories and even an important democrat who said they would not take the vaccine if Trump recommended it.

Vice presidential debate: Kamala Harris claims she won't take vaccine if Trump recommends

VP Pence slammed Harris for 'undermining public confidence' in a potential vaccine

Harris accused Vice President Mike Pence, head of the Trump administration’s coronavirus task force, of failing to disclose critical information to Americans in the early days of the pandemic. When asked about a poll showing half of Americans would not take a vaccine as soon as it is available, Harris indicated that she was skeptical of Trump’s involvement in the rollout of a potential vaccine. 

“If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it, absolutely,” Harris said. “But if Donald Trump tells us we should take it, I’m not taking it.”

Harris, citing a recent report from Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, accused the Trump administration of downplaying the severity of the pandemic and bungling its initial response to the novel coronavirus. The California senator said Americans “have had to sacrifice far too much because of the incompetence of this administration.”

Pence fired back at Harris, asserting the Trump administration would have a vaccine “in record time” and potentially by as soon this year. He noted that five U.S. companies were conducting phase three clinical trials of potential vaccines."

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 12:32 p.m.
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But human nature and cognitive bias is such that once we are convinced of something that is wrong/false, it can take 20 times more information about the truth using authentic science/facts to change our minds.................and often, even that's not enough!

Intent to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine Rises to 60% as Confidence in Research and Development Process Increases

Still about two-in-ten ‘pretty certain’ they won’t get vaccine – even when there’s more information

December 3, 2020

"As vaccines for the coronavirus enter review for emergency use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the share of Americans who say they plan to get vaccinated has increased as the public has grown more confident that the development process will deliver a safe and effective vaccine. Still, the U.S. public is far from uniform in views about a vaccine. A majority says they would be uncomfortable being among the first to take it, and a sizable minority appear certain to pass on getting vaccinated"

The survey sheds light on the complex and interrelated factors that shape intent to get a vaccine for COVID-19, chief among them are:

  • Personal concern about getting a case of COVID-19 that would require hospitalization. Those most concerned about getting a serious case of the coronavirus indicate a higher likelihood of getting a vaccine. Those who see little personal need by this metric are closely divided over whether they would get vaccinated.
  • Trust in the vaccine development process. Expressing confidence that the research and development process will yield a safe and effective vaccine is tied to higher levels of intent to get vaccinated.
  • Personal practices when it comes to other vaccines. Those who say they get a flu shot yearly are much more likely than those who rarely or never do so to say they would get a vaccine for the coronavirus if one were available.

metmike: The 2nd item above is what took the big hit earlier this year because of the barrage of unsafe, early vaccine stories.  The 3rd item includes anti vaxers who wouldn't believe the science if it hit them over the head............or killed them...............which, sadly is what it will do in some cases for those refusing the vaccine. 

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 12:48 p.m.
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Safety of vaccines:

    Vaccines, how do they work/why are people skeptical?            

                            Started by metmike - Dec. 20, 2020, 11:55 p.m.    


By 7475 - Jan. 2, 2021, 12:52 p.m.
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  I suspect some of the front line medical personnel refusing to be vaccinated have been trained in medical procedure but not necessarily medical science. I know some personally.


By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 1:04 p.m.
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The saddest thing of all, is that we constantly here about "following the science" to beat the pandemic by the gatekeepers/MSM and they have been feeding us anti science, political rubbish since the pandemic started.

Sorry to get political on this but the mainstream political views/MSM on COVID have been exactly wrong in more instances than right and feeding us counterproductive measures are responsible  for COVID getting as bad as it has. Here's the proof:

The biggest thing that they got right is insisting on social distancing and washing hands. There can be no better advice than that. If you don't get close to somebody with COVID and wash off any COVID that you may have picked up by touching something...........its very unlikely you will get COVID.

Below  and on the next couple of pages is where they steered us directly into COVID HELL:

                Covering up massive COVID being spread from protests-8/8 update below            

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                Started by metmike - July 30, 2020, 7:28 p.m.    

Even to this day, for entirely political reasons,  they absurdly insist that this was not responsible for any of the huge spike higher in June/July. They encouraged people to go to these massive COVID spreading protests to express their outrage and told them it was safe from COVID.

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metmike: You don't think any of those thousands of shouting people, smashed up against each other in those pictures had COVID?

Sunshine killed it all?

Right.........All the COVID from a shouting infected person 2 feet away was instantly vaporized the second it came out of their mouth (-:

And many of these protests took place with cloudy skies..........and after the sun went down. 

But most of them were wearing cloth masks?..............yes they were, cloth masks that are UNABLE to filter out particles the size of the COVID virus. This caused people to "think" that they were safe and do really dumb things, like hang out, sandwiched together with many hundreds of shouting people, some with COVID in the middle of a pandemic. 

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 1:09 p.m.
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All the while, we have been falsely misled to believe that cloth masks protect us.

We have been instructed to wear the almost worthless cloth masks but not to even  try to get an N95 mask that would actually, effectively protect us:

                Get N95 masks ASAP!            

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                Started by metmike - Dec. 21, 2020, 7:27 p.m.    

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 1:13 p.m.
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And that hydroxychloroquine is a dangerous drug that can't help anybody.......censoring thousands of medical doctors around the world prescribing it:

                84% fewer hospitalizations for patients treated with hydroxychloroquine            

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                Started by metmike - Dec. 18, 2020, 12:35 a.m.    

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 1:43 p.m.
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Is it any wonder that people don't know who to believe and what to believe?

There are several things that you MUST do in order to know what to believe and to be able to recognize authentic information.

1. You must completely detach yourself from your political views and usual sources, many to most of which have political views interwoven into news reports. This is part of the strategy in news reporting in this age. If you are a conservative/republican and think your favorite source is unbiased, it's probably because they tell you the news with a biased  slant that you agree attract more people like you.  Same thing with liberals. 

2. Then, educate yourself with data/ its pure form. Just the empirical data and facts. But here's the huge problem that will sabotage most people. The delivery system for that data comes from sources that includes THEIR interpretation with the data. In most cases, they stress their INTERPRETATION and use the data to support whatever their political affiliation lines up with.  Try to recognize this and when you do, remember what that sources bias is in the future. 

3. Then, (try to)use critical, common sense thinking to reach your own conclusions, using observations, absent any inputs from your favorite sources, which will try to tell you how you should interpret every situation BEFORE you've had a chance to do it independently/objectively.

4. Then, test your conclusions/theories or opinions by using the scientific method. You can test your favorite sources opinions exactly in the same way.....Look for reasons for why they/you might be wrong. You already think(know) that you are right. If that really is the case, then you won't be able to show that you are wrong...................which gives you high confidence that you must be right. This one might be especially tough and requires humility and sincerity.  Most people spend 99% of their time finding reasons for why they are right to bolster their confidence about being right.

When we are wrong, which happens to all of us(frequently to us meteorologists predicting the weather) the worst thing possible is to defend being wrong. The best thing possible is to become aware of being wrong and doing it ASAP, not next year, or even tomorrow............but today, right now. Then, new authentic information that we see will immediately be stored in our brains and become legit knowledge based on solid principles vs before, when bad information  filled our heads and caused our understanding of that realm to be propaganda or fake news or based on false narratives. 

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 1:55 p.m.
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That is a great point. 

I think too, that these type of people are very active on social media and use MSM sources which have sadly, in some cases poisoned our brains. I believe that they do it, with altruistic justifications because THEY think they know whats best for us and sincerely believe  their way will make the world a better place......... so they use news stories to influence us(to acquire their belief system) instead of informing us. 

But in area's of science, they often have the science exactly wrong and present themselves as, either knowledgeable about what the real scientists are saying or passing on the information, which is often cherry picking their science. 

Interesting that 85% of the nursing home types will take the vaccine.................yes, they have the most to lose by not being vaccinated but at that age, we don't find many active with social media.(I'm sure many watch lots of  tv though).

This is a very tough time in our world for people to be able to reconcile reality and truth with what they are being told/read/hear............even when using the mainstream science.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 4:05 p.m.
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Even if everything went perfectly, having 2 shots will take twice as long as getting 1 shot. More immunity in the long run for individuals that get the 2 shots, less immunity overall going out to the general population to go towards obtaining herd immunity/less transmissions ASAP.

                COVID "Death Machines"            

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                Started by metmike - Dec. 19, 2020, 1 p.m.    

By metmike - Jan. 2, 2021, 7:07 p.m.
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A  positive in all of this,  is that the number of people already infected and recovered is as good as getting vaccinated. 

That number is over 20 million right now and by the end of March, may be around 10% of the US population.

Some will be getting vaccinated to boost their immunity even more but we can count on this segment of the population(not vaccinated but already had COVID) to give us a big boost towards herd immunity.

Sadly, even with this being the case, we could have another rough time of it again next Fall, just not nearly  as bad.

It's very likely that COVID cases will peak seasonally by March and really drop off this Summer in the absence of widespread protesting.

Next September/October, when COVID picks up again seasonally,  less than 50% of the population will have 2 shots at this current rate but daily cases might be starting from a much lower point.   So COVID will have less people to infect but still half of the population may be vulnerable. 

Treatments will also continue to improve.


But wait............

Now, we are being told that there is a new, even more contagious mutated form of COVID:

UK experts are 'highly confident' that a new coronavirus variant is more contagious. Here's what that means

Since much of what the MSM has told us the past year has been and continues to be wrong/ proven  here with facts......not just stated, we should be skeptical.

At this point, it could be a total nothing burger that they are using to sensationalize or it could be REALLY bad. Unfortunately, we often can't  tell the difference, especially early on, based on the way the science has gone and the way the MSM has reported the news.

At least we won't have to worry about them using the COVID news to obliterate Trump anymore.!

All we can do is wear an N95 mask, social distance/avoid crowds and wash our hands with timely frequency, while waiting to get vaccinated ASAP.....and for Pete's sake......don't refuse the vaccine!

Almost everybody that does this will come out of  it in wonderful shape.

By metmike - Jan. 4, 2021, 7:36 p.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 28, 2021, 9:58 p.m.
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The first 22M Americans have been vaccinated for COVID-19, and initial safety data shows everything is going well, CDC says

Tracking COVID-19 vaccine distribution by state:How many people have been vaccinated in the USA?

Wednesday, Dr. Tom Shimabukuro, deputy director of the CDC's Immunization Safety Office, briefed a CDC advisory committee on the agency's review of safety data collected on the two authorized vaccines.

Side effects remain a common result of both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines – 70% of people who self-reported said they suffered pain. 

Vaccinated people have suffered major health crises and even death within a few days of receiving a shot, but the rate of those events is no higher than would be expected in the general population and cannot be connected to the vaccine, the review found.

Shimabukuro did not address the several people reported to have died after receiving a vaccine, including a Florida doctorand a California X-ray technologist.

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
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Still at least a 10,000 times greater chance of dying from COVID than from the vaccine.