130 degrees at Death Valley!
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Started by metmike - Aug. 17, 2020, 3:34 p.m.

Media hypes new 130°F Death Valley Temperature – but it’s still short of the 134°F all-time record



three times that July:


h/t Tony Heller Source: Monthly Weather Review archive: ftp://ftp.library.noaa.gov/docs.lib/htdocs/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-01-0010.pdf


And here is the table of records for Death Valley:


"While climate crusaders would like you to think today’s 130°F temperature is more “proof” of global warming aka “climate change” induced by fossil fuel use putting more carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, the irrefutable fact is that in 1913, CO2 in our atmosphere was about 43% lower than today at 290 parts per million in 1913 compared to the “Climate crisis” level of 414 PPM today."

By metmike - Aug. 17, 2020, 5:14 p.m.
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                                            Started by metmike - Aug. 14, 2020, 6:20 p.m.      


By metmike - Aug. 17, 2020, 8:27 p.m.
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                Historic Heatwave?            

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                Started by Jim_M - July 1, 2020, 2:09 p.m.            


The heat waves of the 1930's will blow away(or melt away) any heat waves we have coming up this month. It won't even be close for the Plains and Midwest, which this time will have some of the hottest temperatures.

And off the top of my head/memory, it won't be as hot as 1954, 1980, 1983, 1988 or 2012 in those locations.


  • Line graph showing values of the U.S. Heat Wave Index for each year from 1895 to 2015.



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                By bear - July 1, 2020, 4:28 p.m.            


and it depends on where you are.  here in southern az, we are no where near as hot as what it was in the early 90's. 

and armstrong claims that areas of europe had been behind on planting because of more wet/cool weather.  but i have not verified that.  

maybe some of you that follow farming in europe can let us know.  

warm in one area often means cool in some other spot.  




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                By metmike - July 1, 2020, 4:37 p.m.            


Sometimes seeing graphs/data doesn't help you to envision the reality. 

How about this article from your state of Ohio about 1934:

Cincinnati Has Never Topped Records Set in the Heat Wave of 1934                    

The summer of 1934 was a hot one all around the United States, but the focus of the heat was the Ohio Valley around Cincinnati.


"On July 20, Cincinnati meteorologists put 104.8 degrees into the record book. For the next seven days, Cincinnati’s official temperature topped 100 degrees every single day, setting records never since exceeded.

In those pre-air-conditioned days, the city was totally unprepared. Cincinnatians began dying at an alarming rate, some succumbing to the heat as they slept. Not only was the daytime heat unbearable, the night time offered no relief. On July 21, 22, and 23, the highest low temperatures for each of those days were recorded at around 80 degrees

Indoor temperatures remained in the 90s, and, between fitful snatches of sleep, most people spent the night in search of a breath of air. Many tried to sleep on porches. Walking through the streets of the congested residential areas downtown late at night one could hear muffled voices of sleepless inhabitants coming from darkened windows.

On Sunday, July 22, the Enquirer announced that Cincinnati, while setting an all-time highest temperature of 108.5 degrees the day before, had been the hottest location east of the Mississippi River. On Sunday, Cincinnati would reach its second-highest recorded temperature at 107.7 degrees. Those two days remain the hottest in Cincinnati history.

In addition to the temperature, Cincinnati set records in heat-related deaths, with as many as 40 fatalities recorded on some days. People died at work, at home, or just standing on the street."

metmike: This sounds like weather that we constantly hear about that is in our future from the fake climate crisis...........but its the PAST. It's not from computer simulations of the future weather from a speculative theory using busted equations.......it really happened already before CO2 went up and because of natural weather/climate. 

 Imagine if we had a heat wave like this today? It would be totally blamed on humans burning fossil fuels. The hot July coming up will be used. 

It's July and the hottest time of year again so, like every Summer,  we will be bombarded with all sorts of fake climate change heat stories. It's Summer for crying out loud and its always really hot in many places and at any point in time, going back forever, there are usually locations/regions on this planet having extreme weather and often records. 

Yes, the beneficial warming causes it to be a tad warmer in July overall in many places(and less cold in the coldest places at the coldest time of year) but next time you read about the extreme/deadly heat coming up..........pretend that you lived here in the Summers during the 1930's based on the actual accounts above....... and compare it to that. 



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                               By metmike - July 1, 2020, 4:40 p.m.            


1936 North American heat wave



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                By metmike - July 1, 2020, 4:40 p.m.            



Summer Scorchers: America’s 9 Worst Heat Waves Ever Recorded





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                By metmike - July 1, 2020, 4:56 p.m.            



In the last 20 years, how many US states have set all time hottest temps?

Just 1, Colorado last year which was sort of a fluke.

Half of the states set their all time hottest temperature during the hottest decade for Summer heat.......the 1930's.

 Despite the modest, mostly beneficial global warming  recently other than Colorado last year we have not topped those historic highs and we will not be topping any of them this July.

U.S. state and territory temperature extremes


For one thing, the soils are too moist. Under these conditions, much of the heat from the sun is used to evaporate moisture out of the soil. It's only after you completely dry down the moisture profile with drought conditions, when you can maximize the suns heating of the near surface air. 

There is a 0% chance of that happening this July in most places, even if it completely stops raining. 

We will, however have some very warm nights, especially considering how humid it might be(with the moist soils) and could have near record warm nights in some places. 




By metmike - Aug. 19, 2020, 1:32 p.m.
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Cold weather kills more people than hot weather because… global warming.


Cold-weather accounts for almost all temperature-related deaths
August 18, 2020

With the number of extreme weather days rising around the globe in recent years due to global warming, it is no surprise that there has been an upward trend in hospital visits and admissions for injuries caused by high heat over the last several years. But cold temperatures are responsible for almost all temperature-related deaths, according to a new study published in the journal  Environmental Research.

According to the new study by researchers at the University of Illinois Chicago, patients who died because of cold temperatures were responsible for 94% of temperature-related deaths, even though hypothermia was responsible for only 27% of temperature-related hospital visits.

“With the decrease in the number of cold weather days over the last several decades, we still see more deaths due to cold weather as opposed to hot weather,” said Lee Friedman, associate professor of environmental and occupational health sciences in the UIC School of Public Health and corresponding author on the paper.

Illinois consistent nationwide for cold-related deaths
January 29, 2018

CHICAGO (AP) — Illinois was consistently in the top five states nationwide for cold-related deaths per year from 1999 until 2016, according to a federal agency’s report.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says Illinois also ranked 15th nationally on average during the same time period for cold deaths per 100,000 people.

Cold weather has taken the lives of hundreds of Illinois residents, the Chicago Tribune reported. The Illinois Department of Public Health says 593 people died from exposure to excessive natural cold or hypothermia between 2008 and 2016. The highest yearly total occurred when the polar vortex hit in January 2014 and claimed the lives of 110 people.



Lower Heating Prices Prevent Winter Deaths, Particularly from Cardiovascular and Respiratory Causes

Death rates are known to be highest in winter months in areas with cold weather. In Inexpensive Heating Reduces Winter Mortality (NBER Working Paper No. 25681), researchers Janjala Chirakijja, Seema Jayachandran and Pinchuan Ongassess whether the cost of heating contributes to this “excess winter mortality.” High heating costs can present households with difficult tradeoffs: set their homes to uncomfortably low temperatures, or reduce their spending in other areas, such as food and medical care. Either type of response can potentially increase health risks.


The estimates imply that the lowered price of heating due to shale natural gas production and other factors in the late 2000s averted 11,000 winter deaths per year in areas that relied on this heating energy source.


The National Bureau of Economic Research

If 94% of deaths are still being caused by cold vs hot, why is slight global warming an emergency?

Answer: It's clearly is not an emergency............it a BENEFIT!!!

By metmike - Aug. 20, 2020, 4:12 p.m.
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From the study above:

"According to the new study by researchers at the University of Illinois Chicago, patients who died because of cold temperatures were responsible for 94% of temperature-related deaths, even though hypothermia was responsible for only 27% of temperature-related hospital visits.

“With the decrease in the number of cold weather days over the last several decades, we still see more deaths due to cold weather as opposed to hot weather,” said Lee Friedman, associate professor of environmental and occupational health sciences in the UIC School of Public Health and corresponding author on the paper."

metmike: This is why the current slight warming is BENEFICIAL. Not just to humans, to almost all life.

Instead of listening to the propaganda about the fake climate crisis, let's use some common sense. 

What happens in most of the mid/high latitudes every year, starting early in the Autumn and lasting into the following Spring...................a good 6 months of the time in some of those places?

Cold weather sets in. 

Plant life, either goes dormant to survive or is killed.  Some of the other creatures can migrate south to survive, finding life giving warmth. Others can hibernate in order to try to make it thru the brutal Winter with no food. Others will try to tough it out with minimal food and loss of health that often takes the toll of death.

Then, in the Spring, glorious warmth returns. Most species will mate and procreate to take advantage of the favorable temperatures and abundant food. 

Plants come out of dormancy with explosive development. Trillions of seeds germinate as warm conditions coax them to start up the next generation. The additional entirely beneficial CO2 adds massively to this process. 

As we get close to the peak in the heating, in July, what happens to this life? 

Does it die from the heat like it would the cold?  Plants can die if the heat is accompanied by a long lived lack of rainfall from drought...........which has NOT increased because of climate change.

Animals? They mainly do just fine. The Arctic has warmed more than elsewhere on the planet and the polar bear population has increased 30% since 2005. 

Humans? Air conditioning and access to plenty of water makes heat waves less deadly than in the past but heat can still kill. 

But 94% of HUMAN deaths still come from cold. Even more than that for the rest of the creatures and plants on this planet.

With this authentic fact and using common sense, how does a slight warming(at the rate of .13 deg. D/decade) equate to a climate emergency that will result in an apocolypse for the planet(which is massively greening up BECAUSE of climate change)?

Ask other life forms on this planet what they would prefer and almost every single one of them, if they could speak, would shout...........WARMER!!!

Please make it WARMER!!!!   Like it was between 9,000 to 5,000 years ago during the Holocene climate OPTIMUM!

That was 2 deg. warmer than this in the Arctic/high latitudes. 

Actually, the planet greening up massively the last 40 years is telling us exactly that.

It's the lying humans that have a political agenda that have convinced us otherwise.

If you have just read this, then it means that you have enough brain cells to understand human language. Don't let them take that brain power away from you by believing the bull about the fake climate crisis. 

Use critical thinking and common sense. Ask yourself, if they really represent objective, authentic science, why are you NEVER told all these wonderful things about the current climate optimum?

Why is climate change bad for humans, crops, bees, butterfly's, polar bears and bunny rabbits............... all good things but good for ticks, disease, weeds, roaches......all bad things.

Somehow, the exact same climate that kills all the good life, will be the best climate for the bad life. Life is life, regardless of how we view its affects on humans. Almost all life, good and bad does better when temperatures are up to 2 deg. C warmer than this globally. 


Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds



From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

globe of Earth from North Pole perspectiveThis image shows the change in leaf area across the globe from 1982-2015.Credits: Boston University/R. Myneni

Green leaves use energy from sunlight through photosynthesis to chemically combine carbon dioxide drawn in from the air with water and nutrients tapped from the ground to produce sugars, which are the main source of food, fiber and fuel for life on Earth. Studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth.

However, carbon dioxide fertilization isn’t the only cause of increased plant growth—nitrogen, land cover change and climate change by way of global temperature, precipitation and sunlight changes all contribute to the greening effect.

By metmike - Aug. 23, 2020, 2:04 a.m.
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We continue to be bombarded relentlessly with blatantly biased, exaggerated and false climate information. 

An Industry Out of Control: 13 Major Climate Reports in 2020, and 42 Minor Reports


metmike: Other fields have a problem but climate science it THE worst! Most of these reports are just propaganda..........distorting science to scare people for the political cause(global socialism).

This is the atmospheric scientist/environmentalist speaking.

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False


By metmike - Aug. 23, 2020, 11:25 a.m.
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An Industry Out of Control: 13 Major Climate Reports in 2020, and 42 Minor Reports


My comment there below:


“Seeing as there is a climate emergency”

Griff, you and Bernie must have been educated at the same school of climate politics.

Bernie Sanders: ‘Major Cities Going Under Water’ in ‘8 or 9 Years’ Due to Climate Change

2030: The year when the long predicted climate apocalypse hits.  Compared to today, this is what things will be like:

1. Sea levels just over 1 inch higher.
2. Global temperature around .13 Deg. C warmer, getting deeper into the climate optimum.
3. Planet continuing to green up like it has for 40+ years. The law of photosynthesis will still not be repealed.
4. Polar bear population? It’s up 30% since 2005, so likely not threatened.
5. Crop yields/food production will continue to be MUCH higher……….not in spite of but because of  more beneficial climate change/warming and the additional CO2.
6. Heavy rain events will have increased a bit more because the +.13 deg. C of additional warming will cause the atmosphere to hold a tiny bit more moisture.
7. Whether hurricanes are more intense or not, the strongest ones will get blamed on climate change.
8. Heat waves in the Summer will be a tiny bit hotter in some places.
9. There will continue to be less death because of extreme temperatures, since over 9 times as many humans die from cold than from heat.(actually, its more like 15 times)
10. Almost all of life will appreciate that slightly warmer environment since weather adversity that kills life from temperatures is over 100 times greater in the Winter than the Summer in the mid/high latitudes. Think about it. What happens to all plants every Winter? Why do many creatures still need to migrate south or hibernate to avoid death from cold?
11. Higher latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere will still not be as warm as they were during the Holocene Climate OPTIMUM between 9,000 to 5,000 years ago(when there was less Arctic sea ice.

That’s the authentic (climate) science.
The climate emergency only exists in climate politics.