new stone video
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Started by mcfarm - Feb. 9, 2019, 11:20 a.m.

it was all over the internet, you can find it easily but it has some really bad scenes for those here who were giving metmike static for telling the truth about it. The video clearly show the fbi walking within inches of the cnn reporter and camera up to the front door with enough guns, ammo, and people to storm the Alamo. Were there moats at the Alamo? No problem as we had more agents in boats to the rear of the house. The claim made here the reporter was forced blocks away hardly holds as the reporter and camera were never more than feet away as shown by the new video. So, as the fbi shows no surprise when they walked past the cameraman and certainly never moved the cameraman for safety concerns seems the set up was clear to see by all. Hardy what the claims here indicted.

By metmike - Feb. 9, 2019, 12:52 p.m.
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The source of the video doesn't matter. 

The video is the video. It shows the truth.

It 100% confirms that this was orchestrated between Mueller and CNN. See this thread for more:

                "Not that it will matter but here is the story on how CNN"

metmike: Since Mueller got himself busted, we have clear evidence of this being politically motivated. Even worse, a crime was committed by the Mueller team by tipping off CNN. 

The objective was to record video of a scene that presented an environment that created a negative image of Stone for viewers and to intimidate Stone to cooperate to give him some dirt on Trump.

This has  backfired on Mueller because of him getting carried away(over confident) with his ability to manipulate scenarios to his advantage... the person who is supposed to be uncovering crimes related to Trump colluding with Russia. What he has are 2 years worth of creating crimes with his investigation and now is shown to have actually committed a crime. 


The truth matters.

Alan Dershowitz: Stone indictment follows concerning Mueller pattern

"I have been writing about this issue for decades. In fact, I coined the term “compose” that Ellis cited in federal court. However, most fair weather civil libertarians have remained silent with regard to Mueller because his target is Trump, who they despise. The American Civil Liberties Union, which has been flush with cash since Trump was elected, has expressed little criticism of the questionable tactics used by the special counsel."

Dershowitz on Stone: Mueller Has Found "Almost No Crimes" That Occurred Before His Appointment

"Almost all of his crimes that's he's indicted people for are crimes that resulted from his investigation. False statements, tampering with witnesses, obstruction of justice. I went through today the list of all the people who have been indicted by Mueller and it was very hard to find any American who had been charged with any crime that occurred before Mueller was appointed special counsel."

By TimNew - Feb. 9, 2019, 1:31 p.m.
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If that doesn't cause you to have at least a little suspicion over the motives behind this investigation, I don't know what to say to you.   I especially liked the part where the agent covered the lens of the security camera. Not sure if that is SOP,  but I somehow doubt it.

But it was obviously a show, designed to humiliate Stone and strike fear into the hearts of anyone who dares stand in their way. I can think of a few counties that have used these sorts of tactics over the years, but never thought I'd see them here in the US.

Just one more instance suggesting we "Stick a fork in it, it's done".

By frey_1999 - Feb. 10, 2019, 1:18 a.m.
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Random car pulls up stops for 17 seconds and you and Alex claim its the FBI  really based on what?

Half of video is grainy black and white other clear as a bell color video

On at least 4 occasions the video has been altered

FBI pulls up on scene arrest stone and in under 4 min walks him down driveway in that time the supposed CNN vehicle is already removed from its location and supposed CNN crew is gone.

If this is what trumpets are going to use as proof that Mueller is dirty good luck 

Suffice to say critical thinking has went out the window and desperation has set in LOL

good luck with that

By metmike - Feb. 10, 2019, 2:11 a.m.
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What in the heck are you talking about frey??? 17 seconds. CNN was there for an hour before the FBI even got there. 

What you described is made up and nothing like what's in the video.

The CNN van clearly arrives an hour before the FBI and waits for them, parked on the street. When the FBI gets there, parked on the same street,  CNN gets out, including the photographer, clearly putting the camera on his right shoulder,  and mingling with the cops , then getting ready to position for the best shots, behind them as they proceed to the house.

On 4 occasions the video has been altered? Hugh? You are making this up too.

The videos take place over a 2 hour period, taped on numerous different cameras. Instead of playing 2 hours worth of tape  from several cameras(that would include an hour straight of just watching the CNN van doing nothing and total at least 6 hours of video time total) they use some key scenes that show what's most important.

It's late so I'll do this tomorrow..............note the exact times of each scene and what it shows to prove once again that you are just making stuff up and trying to pass it on as a fact here because of your extreme tunnel vision.

Either you are delusional or making this stuff up intentionally. 

The truth matters and the video  shows it conclusively when it comes to CNN's presence. You describing something competely different than whats on the  actual video is an example of why its impossible to have meaningful discussions here on topics related to this with you.

You can't be blind so this must be to intentionally upset people.  Just so you'll know, I love exposing people that  provide fraudulent facts.......when there are authentic facts to bust's what I do for fun.

So you're providing me with entertainment, while doing a service to make the world a more honest/truthful place.

By metmike - Feb. 10, 2019, 11:36 p.m.
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On the video at the link below, you can start watching around the the 12 minute mark to get the lead up 

to the zoomed in unedited  footage that shows CNN on the street in front of Stone's house.

The neighbors on that block were told to go back into their houses and the street was blocked off, following FBI rad protocol.

CNN however, was allowed to set up, as they clearly communicated with the FBI on the scene. Setting up their tri pod, 9 minutes before the actual raid at the ideal location for taping,  after the FBI told CNN they were ready to go in to get Mr. Stone and it was time for them to record the event. 

Interestingly, not only did Muellers team obviously tip off CNN(breaking the law) and directed them on where to park and set their camera's up to be in the ideal position to record this event(and clearly had to invite CNN).............they messed up when confiscating Rogers Stones stuff in his house. Incredibly, they overlooked taking the video recording of this event. 

That's the funniest part. They have 2 dozen FBI agents, many armed with high powered weapons to get this old man, who posed no threat............and they must have known that he has cameras recording everything..........they put duct tape on one of them. They would never want this footage of CNN to be seen because its impossible to refute evidence on the video of what really happened. It contradicts CNN and the justice departments explanation................and not one of them thought to confiscate the recordings.

I was originally going to make more specific  comments on the first tape that mcfarm provided us with yesterday  but this one is even better and one only needs to watch it. 

This is the first time that I've watched or listened to Alex Jones. He clearly is pretty extreme to the right on his positions...........but that doesn't matter.

 The video is the video. Words from Mueller's team and CNN are just words but the video cameras and recorder didn't have the ability to record a republican or democratic version. They could only record images of what  really happened in front of Stones house that morning.

By frey_1999 - Feb. 11, 2019, 10 a.m.
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for someone who claims to really love to expose things to prove people wrong it seems you have some trouble with simply following along so we are going to go at this in a tick by tick type post it will get a little long but so be it.

My accounting is based of the original McFarm video  

5:45. 35 Am CNN arrives at stones house (Nobody has stated anything different even CNN original info stated this 

under time lapse video 

5:46 car drives by

5:48 Car drives by

5:51 car drives by time lapse video stops

5:53 Car pulls up and stops for 17 seconds this car Info wars and You are claiming is the FBI coordinating with CNN there is absolutely NO PROOF of who is in this car. But for this conspiracy to work you and Info wars need this car to be the FBI coordinating with and telling CNN where to set up at. ( we will get back to this car later ) 

from 5:54 until 6:04 film runs on time lapse Video - which shows the CNN reporter moving around digging out some equipment out of his vehicle and putting it back into his Vehicle Not setting it up as you claim.

6:04 Time lapse ends and film skips to 6:51.20

6:51.20 Video Starts again

6:51.38 FBI Vehicles arrive on site FBI agents get out of Vehicles and CNN crew get out of vehicle and start filming

6:51.46 Video Switches to front door cam

6:51.54 Video Starts at front door cam

6:52.35 FBI knocks on door

6:52.45 FBI knocks again

6:53.04 Stone comes to front door

6:53.39 Stone is in cuffs and escorted outside 

6:53.48 Camera Switches to Driveway Cam

6:53.38 Driveway cam starts and it clearly shows that CNN Vehicle is NOT Where it parked at 5:45.35 and was until FBI showed up.

6:54.10  FBI agent pulls something out of Stones front pocket

6:54.26 FBI walks Stone down driveway 

6:56.33  2 min gap in film coverage ?

6:56.26 FBI walks second person down driveway

6:56.40 Film has skip restarts 4 min 13 seconds later

7:02.24  Rogar stone reappears walking up driveway with FBI agent

7:02.35 Film goes to front door and is in color ?

7:03.10 Film is cut and edit again?

So there is a blow by blow of the security film.

questions that arise - 

1) what proof is there that the Car that shows up and talks to CNN is FBI  - NONE

2) cars that look very  familiar to the car that stopped drive by while the time lapse filming is going on who are they ?

3) Do you think Rogar Stone and his wife sleep every night in shirts that Proclaim that he did nothing wrong or were they ( stones ) tip off that they might be arrested that morning?

4)  2 min. after the FBI showed up on site the CNN vehicle was moved from its choice spot why would that happen? 

5) Why IF CNN was working in cahoots or under the direction of the FBI did they not get the MONEY SHOT which would have been the shot off Stone in cuffs walking down the driveway in the grasp of the FBI.

So here are the logical  answers 

1) There is no proof and the most likely answer is that car was working for the Private security firm that protects and watches house in the area including stones and once they talked to CNN the notified Stone that the FBI very well might be going to arrest him this morning ( which gives Stone a heads up and allows both him and his wife to put on their Rogar Stone has done nothing wrong shirts.)

2) the similar looking cars are the security firm circling through to keep checking on the house with the unusual activity at it.

3) NO unless that is how they reinforce themselves that they are the victims, but reality is that they had those shirts to sway the Gullible in hopes that they will drive false outrage.

4) That the first people were the breach team and did not concern them selves with bystanders ( which is what any FBI agent will tell you how an arrest team works. Once the breach team was in place perimeter security removed the CNN team from the site down the block where they sat and did the bulk of their reporting from.

5) NOBODY but NOBODY would have not gotten the MONEY SHOT unless of course they were forced from the site 

Now you can insult me again and claim i'm making things up but I have laid out a time line and showed you what happened at every turn 

the film doesn't lie  who you listen to interrupt the film very well maybe lying

You once claimed to be a critical thinker you might want to try and get back to that.

as far as the claims that the FBI used Gestapo tactics the film clearly refutes that 

the claim that they used to much force the FBI has stated that it was a normal warrant arrest force, I have no reason to doubt it but if you have proof that it is different than normal I sure would like to see it.  keep in mind they have evidence that Stone threatened another witness in this case telling him if you go against me I will FU up and kill your dog. So there is reason to think he might be unstable and precaution need to be taken.

lastly had a retried FBI agent make this statement : The FBI goes in with force and secures the premises suspect is apprehended with out incident and they are the bad guys. but 2 cops shot a young unarmed man that they had no evidence  in the back some 16 times and the same group of people paint the young man as the problem. Thin about that statement            


By mcfarm - Feb. 11, 2019, 11:09 a.m.
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frey as you full well know we are way past the original video. There have been several posts about the new video which show the Meuller team in even a worse light...again as you full well know

By metmike - Feb. 11, 2019, 2:12 p.m.
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Wow frey!

Sorry that you had to go to all that work to come up with your scenario,  when all you had to do was look at the new video to see what really happened.  

Strange that you were on this site and it was posted hours earlier, next to the old thread that you, instead picked to respond to.

I seriously am getting an education here and it includes paying attention to everyones views, taking them seriously and trying to understand where you are coming from.

By frey_1999 - Feb. 11, 2019, 10:38 p.m.
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really Mike the new film is simply a replay of the first release from camp stone with info wars and stone dialog, now i will give you that they went in and were they edited the original they cleaned it up a little with time lapse video but on the 5 questions they show nothing that changes those questions.

So mike how about you answer them


By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 12:25 a.m.
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Your points and questions have nothing to do with the basic facts which matter. They are just a diversion from facing what the video shows about CNN. 

They got  permission to be in an advantageous place to shoot the FBI busting Stone. The video couldn't be any more clear on those dynamics(which violated normal protocol in this situation) as we watch them right there with the all others, including neighbors were told to stay in the house or outside that street, which was blocked off to everyone.........except CNN.

I really have no idea why you are making all these other points and questions that are not relevant and/or don't even make any sense to me.  

I can guess that you must be imagining various scenarios that somehow, you think play some sort of role that has relevance to what my points above are. I have tried to figure out what you might be thinking numerous times but keep drawing a blank.

Another guess is, like many other times when I have provided conclusive evidence to make a point, that your objective is to keep the argument going by throwing out things that don't make sense to create confusion.

I'm not confused at all on this.

The video shows what happened. It's extraordinarily rare that we can have such a powerful piece of evidence that shows us exactly what happened.  

Here it is again for you:

"On the video at the link below, you can start watching around the the 12 minute mark to get the lead up to the zoomed in unedited  footage that shows CNN on the street in front of Stone's house."

It couldn't be more clear.

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 12:42 a.m.
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To assist you.... this is the point, during previous discussions that you have gotten upset enough to start calling names.  

We're not going to resort to that this time or get bent out of shape are we?

It's just a discussion. No need to make it personal or take it personal. 

By cliff-e - Feb. 12, 2019, 8:26 a.m.
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The investigators work using covert activity and the element of surprise to bring about justice. They needed a film crew and not a media circus to document progress on this front. ReTrumplicans just can't accept the fact that Bob Mueller is still on the job and that MAGA means Mueller Ain't Going Away and Many Are Getting Arrested.

By joj - Feb. 12, 2019, 8:27 a.m.
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The obsession with Muller, a lifelong Republican who has served his entire life in defending our country for baffles me.  

Watch "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix.  And don't tell me it's biased.  Judge him only by his own words in interviews over the years.   Stone is a liar, a sleaze ball and most likely, a criminal.

Talk about deflecting.  This thread really misses what is important.

By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 8:50 a.m.
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"They needed a film crew and not a media circus to document progress on this front."

What the wha????

Two questions.

1.) Why did they need a CNN Film crew?

2.) In the history of US law enforcement, can you cite a few other examples where law enforcement felt the need for a news agency film crew?  

I'll save you the effort as I expect no answer.  Answers are They Didn't and Never, respectively.

And JOJ, this entire investigation is a diversion.  Tell me the current charges against Stone resulting from this investigation. Did any of his "Crimes" exist before the investigation?

well mike
By frey_1999 - Feb. 12, 2019, 9:43 a.m.
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since only one person has thrown out a insult in this discussion I think the moderator should ask that person if he plans on throwing anymore insults? of couse that person is the moderator so I guess he must think it is ok.

Have watched the video all of them in detail and this is what one knows about CNN's actions  from watching them.

CNN showed up at 5:45 am parks at end of driveway, spends some time getting equipment ready  and waited around

a car stops at 5:53 am and talks with the cnn people for 17 seconds and leaves

FBI shows up at 6:51.38 seconds goes to arrest stone

CNN production has vacated their spot at the end of driveway before stone is walked out of house in cuffs at 6:53.38 am.

that is all the video shows as far as CNN's involment.

Which certainly does not prove your claim that the FBI directed CNN or even suggest that the FBI wanted CNN there.

It does beg the question why did CNN leave the Choice spot to film from before Roger Stone was brought out in cuffs?  

Maybe you can see clear to answering these questions.  Because the film that Stone release so far dosen't 

Re: well mike
By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 10:08 a.m.
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Screen shots from video @6:54:26. altho somewhat obscured by leaves, the cameraman is poised in the middle of the street at the end of the drive, legs are clearly in view. @6:54:28 shows the light from the CNN camera.  Note the glare at the foot of the driveway. 

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 11:01 a.m.
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You are making things up when you imagined things previously and were calling me a liar for something that I never had any idea what it is that you thought I was lying about, then doubled down and called me a liar again when I asked you about it.

Your thin ice is caving in. You are making it(even more) clear what your intentions are here.

I'm finished with you.

By mcfarmer - Feb. 12, 2019, 11:09 a.m.
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I would be more apt to believe the occasional conspiracy theory if someone could direct me to a handfull of ones eventually proven to be correct.

Why the lack of left leaning conspiracy therories ? Don’t I get my news from the right sources ?

Never understood them. Most can be explained by common incompetence.

By mcfarm - Feb. 12, 2019, 11:49 a.m.
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mcfarmer, do you really think its a mystery that the way the wealth Joe Kennedy accumulated was never main stream? How about the girls {including a well known spy} in and out of the Jack Kennedy WH during his term being  under reported but now is finally out? If you want to jump forward to old Hil her sins of several devices and the destruction of them and the data was not even a debate, guilty as hell, the conspiracy went to comey and company whoa also agreed about the felonys. It was admitted proudly that Obama sent Billions to Iran in in different currencies and denominations and yet where did that money from, who in the heck counted it, controlled it, packed it, kept track of the overage, reported how many Americans were killed by paying the largest terrorists on earth billions to build bombs with. How was it reported that Obama traded several terrorist back to the battle field for a traitor who Obama called a hero. These go on and on with the out right protection of the left by the msm.

One huge one just last week. How was it reported in the msms that the gov of Virginia, a child doctor himself, was pushing the idea that full term babies born alive would then be murdered?

By GunterK - Feb. 12, 2019, 12:24 p.m.
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Frey, you sure went through a lot of trouble writing up the chronological sequence of events seen in the movies you looked at.

Of course, you are correct. One cannot clearly see the cars in the distance. And one does not hear the dialog between the agents and the CNN people. But, is it important?

IMHO opinion, the debate in this threat is focusing too much on details. Just step back and take look at the big picture.

Roger Stone is a 66- year old man who does not own a gun. He does not own a passport (he is not a “flight risk”). He had already stated that he expected to be taken in and indicted. If he wanted to destroy damaging evidence, he could have done so long ago, like Hillary C did.

All that was needed was 2 FBI agents knocking on Stone’s door, at 10 in the morning, asking him to come along.

Living in Los Angeles, I have seen plenty of Hollywood films being shot on public streets. This event looked very much like a Hollywood movie shoot.….streets blocked off on both ends, residents asked to stay inside…the only people allowed on the “set”: the actors (in this case, the FBI), and the crew (in this case CNN). All that was missing was a couple Black Hawk helicopters circling above.

So, we have to ask….

Why a pre-dawn raid??? Totally unnecessary… he was expecting to be taken in.

Why 29 FBI agents, with assault rifles??? (Osama bin Ladin was captured by a 16-men team)…. Why all this fire power for a 66-year old unarmed man???

It sure was spectacular…. Just like in a Hollywood movie. Why??? I can only think of one motive…it was planned that way for PR reasons.


However, once inside, out of view of the CNN camera crew, things changed. To me, the most astonishing movie clip was the one that showed an FBI agent putting a tape over a surveillance camera located inside Stone’s house.

In this day and age, where police officers are encouraged/forced to wear body-cameras (so that the officers can be held liable for improper conduct), one has to wonder, why the surveillance camera(s) was taped over ….what was it, inside that house, that they did not want to be recorded?

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 12:38 p.m.
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"Why the lack of left leaning conspiracy therories ?"

The biggest one in history, blamed Russia for the results of the 2016 presidential election..........and it's still playing out over 2 years later.

By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:19 p.m.
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Gunter, minor correction.  While not Backhawk, the FBI did deploy a helicopter for the Stone raid. I guess "Just in case".  

By mcfarmer - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:32 p.m.
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No, you’re attaching conspiracy therories to actual events.

Maybe we disagree on the concept.

By GunterK - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:35 p.m.
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Tim, I didn't know there was a helicopter.

LOL.... so it was a quite professional production. Too late for the 2019 Academy Awards 

By mcfarmer - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:38 p.m.
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Mike, this is being investigated. Doesn’t everyone want every shred of doubt about our electoral system removed ? It’s the most important thing we have.

By mcfarm - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:45 p.m.
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actually no mcfarmer it is most definitely is not being investigated....if it were the dems would be mighty worried right now as to where the collusion was.

By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 1:49 p.m.
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If it weren't so obviously politically motivated, I'd agree with you. And if it were no politically motivated, wouldn't they be looking into the ties between Russia and Hillary?  There is at least as much there, there,  if not more so.

But after 2 years of Trump/Russia,  we have unrelated crimes and crimes created by the investigation in the form of "perjury" and lies to congress.   Suddenly, lying to congress is a crime, or at least it's once again considered a crime. We apparently suspended same during the Clinton debacle.

And speaking of Hillary,  have we forgotten that famous "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"?

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 2:44 p.m.
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"Mike, this is being investigated. Doesn’t everyone want every shred of doubt about our electoral system removed ? It’s the most important thing we have."

Good one. Like the Clinton emails and foundation investigation, ending with the head of the justice department,   Loretta Lynch  meeting with Bill Clinton in Phoenix to put in the "fix" which we proved they lied about.

You mean that justice department?

Or maybe you mean the one with Mueller at the helm, colluding with CNN so it can frame their busting of Roger Stone favorably to CNN viewers as the Mueller investigation creates crimes and the impression of crimes vs finding actual Trump collusion crimes, which was supposed to be the reason for the investigation.

If you believe that, then you probably believe that Hillary Clinton turned $1,000 into $100,000 in 1 year,  trading cattle futures, using Tyson Foods/Meats broker with Refco, then, one of the world's greatest trader's and people that can handle stress.............closes the account because she says that it was too stressful.

But those are conspiracy theories?

The truth matters here!


I'm an independent scientist that lives in a fact based universe. There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there. However, the authentic facts surrounding the 3 situations above are overwhelming to show that crimes were they are not conspiracy theories but nobody did or will be prosecuted for those crimes.

This shows blatant bias and corruption with our justice department and their investigators, the most recent one, inspiring this thread discussion.

Would you like me to go over the details on the $100,000 Bill Clinton bribe via Hillary's trading account  or the Phoenix airport meeting again?

They happened.

By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 2:51 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Feb. 12, 2019, 2:59 p.m.
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wow, don't know about you Tim but those look like real clear shots of Stones front door with the air head cnn desk clerk proudly stating  "exclusive cnn video"...and now that I look seems as frey has removed the post you are answering...wonder why he would do that?

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 3:03 p.m.
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"They needed a film crew and not a media circus to document progress on this front."

Well at least you acknowledge that part of it cliff.

So why not hire a private film crew then. There are hundreds of them across the country that work on documentaries.....but don't televise the footage with their one sided(Mueller) spin for days.

There is a .01% chance that CNN used investigation intuition to know to be there exactly an hour before the arrest.

There is a 0.0% chance that Mueller was not aware of their presence BEFORE the arrest and that he didn't  authorized it, and that it wasn't a major exception/breaking protocol for every other similar arrest like this.............and that he didn't know that it would be headline news on CNN, showing him in a good light.

This is a crime. There is a 99% chance that the person that illegally tipped off CNN will never suffer consequences.

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 3:17 p.m.
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I removed his last erroneous post.

When proven wrong, he continues to make things up/imagine things in order to disrupt and confuse........after a history of breaking rules and being warned for this and calling names/making personal attacks and accusations.

It makes no sense for somebody so unhappy with everything here to be obsessed with coming back and putting themselves in the exact same situations that they were complaining about(and they are responsible for)...........over and over....................unless they enjoy getting into tiffs. We had another poster that did it for that reason. 

Authentic facts and truth matter here. 

By mcfarm - Feb. 12, 2019, 3:26 p.m.
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got it...thanks mike

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 3:33 p.m.
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"Watch "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix.  And don't tell me it's biased.  Judge him only by his own words in interviews over the years.   Stone is a liar, a sleaze ball and most likely, a criminal."

Yes, Stone is a sleaze ball. That's probably true.

My points have nothing to do with that. They only relate to Mueller, breaking the law, colluding with CNN for  the arrest coverage.

Prosecutors are not allowed to break the law because the guy they are targeting/arresting is a sleaze ball. You agree with that don't you joj?

By TimNew - Feb. 12, 2019, 3:46 p.m.
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Gunter,  I'm pretty sure I read/heard somewhere that they deployed a helicopter,  but in looking for verification,  I've found none so far.

By metmike - Feb. 12, 2019, 7:06 p.m.
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Just to make it clear, frey has been banned.........his 9 lives ran out. 

He was not banned for disagreeing with the moderators position. Those kind of posts(from both sides) are encouraged. I would much rather see a well thought out post with authentic facts to support a position that disagrees with me vs one that agrees for dumb reasons. 

frey was posting stuff that, mostly had nothing to do with the main point being discussed and/or was in error on the couple of times when it addressed the actual point. This actually would be ok  from anybody else here because I will give you the benefit of the doubt, assuming that its a genuine mistake but this type of posting has defined frey for many months. He came here for the confrontations. He has been #1 in confrontations and name calling for awhile now. 

Also #1 in complaining and accusing me of picking on him and justifying his behavior. And #1 in getting additional chances to stop being this way. 

I'm following thru with previous promises to do a better job managing those who come here, mainly  to have divisive, closed minded fighting(with history's of being disrespectful to others) at the expense of those who find this repugnant/are repelled by it. 

This has been well advertised and most recently described here:

                "We are all connected"    

And here:

                "Question for Mike"  

And here:

                "Trump is increasingly divorced from reality "