Lots of news coverage on this and the flooding we've been seeing on both the Atlantic AND Pacific coasts.
King Tides
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2014-04/documents/king_tides_factsheet.pdf
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AI Overview
King tides are exceptionally high, predictable astronomical tides that occur when the gravitational pull of the sun and moon align at their closest points to Earth. While "king tide" is a popular, non-scientific term, these events are known scientifically as perigean-spring tides. [1, 2]Because they provide a dramatic preview of what everyday sea levels could look like in the future due to climate change, they are heavily monitored by meteorologists and oceanographers.
Why Are They Formidable?
On their own, king tides cause minor "nuisance" flooding in low-lying coastal areas. However, they become dangerous when exacerbated by local conditions: [1, 2]
Common Effects
https://www.clickorlando.com/weather/2025/10/07/what-are-king-tides-heres-what-to-know/
What, no Trump effect??
Good one, throwing a bit of humor into it, tjc!
Just for you!
Maybe Donald Trump will rename these tides, Trump Tides
https://www.climate.us/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level
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I should note several things here, starting with a comment on the exaggerated projections below:
The 7 feet higher projection is in La La land. I've seen some sources that use 10 feet. Even if CO2 continued higher thru 2100 and the planet continued to slowly warm this is too high. We would have to go from just over an inch/decade to a foot/decade for one thing.
But the biggest item is the fact that there aren't enough fossil fuels in the ground for us to continue to burn them at the increasing rate needed to warm the planet this much.
In 3 decades, when they start running out (and get too expensive) CO2 emissions WILL START TO DROP. The planet's biosphere then, being 40% GREENER because of the extra photosynthesis will be gobbling up MORE CO2 than we add. If we cut back too fast and CO2 levels drop too fast, there will be widespread crop production losses when the population is 10 billion people.
Regardless, climate and ocean level models that assume that CO2 emissions will keep getting higher and higher and higher, some until the yeaer 2200 are complete scientific rubbish.
The reality is that when fossil fuels start running out, this FAKE climate crisis will take care of itself. ........and the humans of that time will be trying to keep CO2, a beneficial gas and free atmospheric fertilizer, from dropping too fast. That's authentic science!!!
I provided the evidence of that earlier this year and will find it and copy it below.
I'm just going to copy those posts entirely from earlier this year in their entirety here because they make a profound, scientific point that is so important.
We have scientists using climate and sea level models using JUNK SCIENCE with very little critical thinking. They feed an assumption into the models that CO2 will continue to increase for XXX more years and that the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere is 100 years.......as if the biosphere isn't massively sequestering it by using it for photosynthesis.
CO2 & Climate discussion July 2026
By metmike - July 10, 2026, 7:26 p.m.
https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/researchers-confirm-cause-earths-biggest-mass-extinction
The findings serve as a warning of sorts. Conditions preceding the extinction event are very similar to the climate of the past tens of millions of years, which is being altered by emissions from burning fossil fuels and other human activities.
“The biggest mass extinction of all time started from a world that is very similar to today in having a relatively cool, relatively well-oxygenated ocean, and then there was a giant injection of carbon dioxide into the Earth system. Understanding how Earth and Earth’s biota responded back then could inform us of what’s to come.”
“The bad news is, we are on track for Permian-Triassic levels of warming in worst-case scenario projections,” said Sperling. Temperatures increased 8-12° Celsius over thousands of years to cause the Great Dying, and today, over just 100-200 years, temperatures are projected to be 1.5-4° Celsius warmer than pre-industrial times by 2100. “But the good news is, we’re still at the point where we can change things and do something about it.”
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metmike: Look everyone, we're all going to die from the increase in CO2 because of human emissions from burning fossil fuels. Note how they INTENTIONALLY DISTORT the graph to make the increase go from the bottom to the top of the graph!!!
Just several HUGE problems with that:
1. They never show you the HONEST, big picture. When life died out in the period they refer to, CO2 levels were more than 10 times the current level, at times 252 million years ago.
2. We RESCUED the planet from dangerously LOW CO2 levels! The optimal level for life is 900 ppm and we are still not even half that.
The planet has greened up at least 28% from just the increase in CO2 the past 100+ years. The biosphere is booming. Food is much more abundant for most life. Life wants MUCH MORE CO2!!!! Cold still kills 10 times more humans and 200+ times more life Than heat does. This idea that we are killing the planet with BENEFICIAL CO2 is about as dumb as believing the earth is flat.
Death by greening:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/
3. The BENEFICIAL CO2 that we're returning to the atmosphere was once in the atmosphere but got sequestered in the ground via, mostly dead plants and some animals. There is a finite amount of fossil fuels that we can afford to remove from the ground. All fossils fuels will begin running out later this century, starting with crude/natural gas, then coal. The even more massively greened up planet at that time will be gobbling up the CO2 in the atmosphere at an even greater rate than today. The greened up planet and crops needed to feed 10 billion people will be dependent on CO2 levels continuing to increase.
So guess what will happen when CO2 emissions decrease because we run out of fossil fuels????
THAT'S WHEN THE REAL DIE OFF WILL BEGIN!!!!!
And it will happen BEFORE CO2 gets to 600 ppm, which is still only 2/3rds of the optimal level. When CO2 crashes, humans will be doing everything they can to ELEVATE atmospheric CO2 levels, like greenhouses do to maximize plant growth but in our case, for survival.
Massive food shortages and starvation are inevitable, even with technological advancements. There will be 10 billion mouths to feed on the planet and we can’t do that NOT EVEN CLOSE with the old climate and those rock bottom CO2 levels that were barely above survival levels.
4. So we should be cutting back on fossil fuels today............to save them for our grandchildren to keep atmospheric CO2 levels from dropping as fast later this century.
5. Those that claim CO2 emissions stay in the atmosphere for 100 years are full of crap. Just during the Northern Hemisphere's Summer, every single Summer/growing season, CO2 actually DROPS every year because of the plants gobbling up MORE THAN all the emissions in the world gushing in. They only go up during our cold months/Winter, when plants are dormant. Take away most of those emissions and the plunge lower will be historic and catastrophic and several times faster than they went up.
In 25-30 years or so at the peak for plants consuming CO2, they will be gobbling up 40% MORE CO2 than 100 years ago. and equal to the rate that humans are emitting which will hit a steady state then. Meaning the amount of CO2 emissions going in will be equal to the rate plants take out. That steady state will last for a few years but as fossil fuel emissions fall, atmospheric CO2 levels will also fall. Then CO2 levels will fall faster and faster and the human race will look on this age of the fake climate crisis and calling CO2 pollution, like we do about the scientifically dumb humans that thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.
They were really scientifically uneducated back then. Today, however, ironically it was some of the most educated scientists that perpetrated a hoax, along with crony capitalists, politicians, confused environmental activists and ratings seeking media.
We WILL cherish CO2 as the beneficial gas that it is as famine and starvation strike from falling CO2 and our inability to feed all the people on the planet and the planet becomes LESS green.
CO2 & Climate discussion July 2026
By metmike - July 10, 2026, 7:30 p.m.
Sources that are NOT renewable which will start running out in several decades are FOSSIL FUELS!
CO2 & Climate discussion July 2026
By metmike - July 10, 2026, 7:30 p.m.
On fossil fuels running out:
Re: Will Humanity end in the next 17,000 years??
By metmike - July 3, 2026, 3:06 p.m.
When will fossil fuels run out?
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While this estimate is likely conservative and more fossil fuels reserves will likely be discovered, there is no denying that FOSSIL fuels are FINITE!!!!
Life existed and died on this planet for a finite period of time. Plants consumed CO2 in the atmosphere, animals consumed those plants and made carbon part of their bodies. They were buried, some deeply underground where they became concentrated in large pocket of gas, oil and coal deposits that are NOT being replenished, instead being gradually depleted.
They WILL run out eventually over 8 billion people depleting them at an increasingly impossible to sustain rate.
That is the main reason to develop renewable energy. Because fossil fuels WILL run out. Future generations may need to burn them to keep the beneficial CO2 in the atmosphere from dropping in order to maintain global food production.
All the "saving the planet" from beneficially increasing CO2 sources, should instead be teaching real science/biology and geology.
Telling us the authentic reason to cut back on using finite fossil fuels. It's NOT because of toxic CO2 causing a fake climate crisis but instead, it should be to cut back to save the limited fossil fuels AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, develop the replacement energy sources and energy delivery systems that humans will be depending on in the future when fossil fuels run out............and they will run out.
And they will start running out in the life times of humans living today!
The other thing. When an essential source for existence becomes increasingly scarce, what happens to the price??
Cheap, reliable energy sources are the life blood to every developed countries economies!
We saw what happened to the price of crude when the market dialed in a temporary 20% drop in global production.
When the price doubles, production will go up because it provides financial incentive to producers to bring more (costly) production to the market. In several decades, as CHEAP, easy to get supplies become depleted it will become increasingly costly to generate the HARDER to get supplies.
Even if you are optimistic and double the numbers above(which is possible) there wasn't enough previous life on this planet to result in fossil fuels much beyond that.
Could we actually manufacture hydrocarbons from raw materials and incredible pressure that have the same chemistry/energy as fossil fuels? Technology and ingenuity have no limits, even if fossil fuels are limited.
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On the seasonality of CO2 changes from plants:
https://science.nasa.gov/earth/explore/earth-indicators/carbon-dioxide/
Overall, we continue go up at around 2.5 ppm each year. As the planet continues to green up from more CO2, as it will with 100% certainty from the indisputable, scientific law of photosynthesis, the planet will need more and more CO2. Eventually needing the amount that includes how much we are putting in (which WILL start dropping and keep going lower and lower as fossil fuels run out) just to maintain a steady state!
That’s when plants taking out more than goes in will cause global, ambient atmospheric levels to drop. It’s unavoidable.
Thats when the real climate crisis from falling CO2 levels will begin.
I won’t be here to witness that but my grandchildren will!
It will happen during the lifetimes of young people today.
We are told to cut back on CO2 to save the planet for our grandchildren Because there will be too much CO2 in their atmosphere because of us.
How ironic that it’s the diametrically, opposed polar opposite of that reasoning. It’s because we will have EXHAUSTED THE BENEFICIAL CO2 EMISSIONS from using up most of the fossil fuels at such an excessive rate which will cause the crisis!
They created a booming biosphere and greened up planet with 10 billion mouths that, to be fed requires the elevated, beneficial CO2 levels from burning fossil fuels to sustain. To sustain 10 billion people and the massive biosphere ..........the amount of CO2 from burning fossil fuels MUST BE AT LEAST MAINTAINED!!!
When CO2 starts dropping, then the global food crisis begins........and gets worse with time.
You can’t rewrite the law of photosynthesis.
For sure we will continue to develop alternative energy source and that MUST be the case because fossil fuels WILL run out. Fossil fuels are finite!!!!
The much more critical problem for our future planet thriving is how will we be able to maintain the needed atmospheric levels of beneficial CO2 that dry up when fossil fuels run out????????
How will we replace the needed, beneficial CO2 in the atmosphere that burning fossil fuels is providing right now????
CO2 & Climate discussion July 2026
By metmike - July 10, 2026, 9:49 p.m.
I could literally post 100 articles with junk science like this:
Olsen hypothesized that even with extremely high atmospheric CO2 levels of 6,000 ppm that were recorded during the Age of Dinosaurs and the subsequent global heating, humans could potentially survive — thanks to technological advancements, rather than evolution.
And even though the interior regions of continents would be unbearably hot, places at higher latitudes may still be cool and inhabitable.
However, with high rates of climate change over short periods, Olsen warned that there will be significant social disruptions due to limited food and water resources — resulting in wars and conflicts.
In other words, our species could theoretically survive, but we probably would not be living our best lives.
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6,000 ppm?????
The current level is around 432 ppm and increasing at around 2.5 ppm/year.
The maximum amount of time that we will be increasing CO2 at a rate high enough to sustain that amount of increase is probably 20 more years. There's another 50 ppm to 482 ppm in 2046.
After that, with fossil fuels starting to run out, the rate of increase will begin to drop even as the biosphere is gobbling it up at a new record rate (+10% greater than today because every +5ppm CO2=+1% plant growth and plant demand for CO2).
So plants will be growing 38% faster in 20 years compared to just 28% faster in 2026. As they gobble up the CO2, they remove it from the atmosphere(sequester it).
Within 20 years after that, the rate of emissions dropping from fossil fuels, combined with the biosphere gobbling it up will reach the steady steady by or before 2066, 40 years from now. During those additional 20 year, CO2 could still average +1 ppm/year but falling fast. That would be another 20 ppm, getting us to our peak of around 502 ppm!!!!
Even if that is off by a factor of 2 and the additional increase was 140 ppm, instead of 70 ppm, that still only gets us to 572 ppm in 2066 with fossil fuels running out fast.
If we rounded that off up to 600 ppm, which is the highest conceivable level humans burning fossil fuels will ever cause, that is only 1/10th or 10% of the level they discuss (6,000 ppm) as if it's something we need to think about to prepare to survive for.
Keep in mind again that the optimal level for life is 900 ppm!!!! Our planet has been experiencing CO2 starvation and we aren't even going to get close to fully correcting that!!
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AFTER 2066, when CO2 levels actually drop at an increasing rate.............THEN WHAT?
Plants and crops will be needing 38% more CO2 just to maintain but we will be giving them less and less.
In 40 years, it's possible for the planet to warm another 1+ Deg. C or close to another 2 Deg. F.............before we go the other way from falling CO2 levels.
All these junk science forecasts for how bad it will be in 100 or 200 years assume that CO2 keeps increasing and so does the warming. Then they sell that to the public. Odds are high that CO2 levels in a century will be LESS THAN this current level and rapidly decreasing.
In 200 years, it's almost impossible to believe CO2 levels won't be MUCH lower. That is if you apply authentic science and critical thinking to the rock solid facts.
The main possible factor that could change that is if human technology develops a way to keep the atmospheric level of CO2 from dropping with a process that enriching the atmosphere, like greenhouses do(to elevate CO2 to 1,000 ppm) but on a global scale.
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Another element to this will be the LAG TIME for the earth's biosphere to respond to the falling CO2 levels from fossil fuels running out.
1. Initially, even after a steady state occurs from the total amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere = the total amount coming out, plants/crops will still be responding positively to the higher levels of the beneficial CO2 on the way up for up to X number of years. So even after atmospheric levels of CO2 begin to drop, the planet will continue to green up for a brief, X number of years.
2. However, that additional greening, will actually ADD TO the building DEFICIT in the atmospheric CO2 budget, which will cause an acceleration lower in the drop being caused from both higher demand from plants and lower supplies from less burning of fossil fuels and those emissions falling.
It's not rocket science. Just authentic science, applying irrefutable physical laws and critical thinking using honest facts!
Re: Re: Re: Global temperature anomaly for June 2026-UAH/CO2 & Climate discussion
By metmike - July 12, 2026, 4:02 p.m.
https://mahb.stanford.edu/library-item/fossil-fuels-run/
These endpoints are dangerously close: Since our society is so dependent on fossil fuels, it therefore is extremely important for us to know when these fuels will run out
Figure 1 Energy reserves in billion tonnes of oil equivalent – Btoe [4]
metmike: Even if we doubled how much time is left from the graph above, the easy to access, relatively cheap fossil fuels WILL BE used up.
1. With absolute certainty, atmospheric CO2 levels will be falling from an even greener planet gobbling up more than our emissions. The question is not IF but when will that start to happen. It's something like 98% likely within the next 40 years.
2. We are currently in a "sweet spot" when it comes to burning fossil fuels and emitting CO2 at a global maximum. We are getting very close to the PEAK. The rate of increase for CO2 in the atmosphere will be declining soon. CO2 will still be going up for a couple more decades, but with a slower increase.
3. Articles, models and activists, including many mainstream scientists that use "business as usual" scenarios that include us continuing to emit more CO2 with time to yield catastrophic consequences in 100 years and absurdly 200 years are not even right about what WILL happen in 50 years. Again, fossil fuels are finite and the biosphere already uses up MORE CO2 in the Northern Hemisphere's growing season in 2026 that all the combined sources going in, that includes human emissions.
4. Why are these sources NOT telling you about this rock solid science and authentic energy principles?
Are they dumb?
Are they biased?
Do they have an agenda(profits/grant money/ratings/activism/reputation)?
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I'm a practicing environmentalist and atmospheric scientist. I strongly believe that we should be cutting back on fossil fuels and quickly developing alternative energies for 2 legit reasons.
1. To save them for our grandchildren, which includes helping them keep the beneficial CO2 in the atmosphere from falling too fast.
2. THEY ARE FINITE!!!! THEY WILL RUN OUT! Now is the time to develop the replacements and their delivery systems. The longer we wait, the more painful it will be.
3. Nuclear energy for electricity is a no brainer!
4. Even if we replace the energy in crude oil, there are still thousands of products made with petroleum.