WIND POWER
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Started by 12345 - June 20, 2023, 12:18 p.m.

Build Begins On Wyoming-To-California Power Line Amid Growing Wind Power Concern

"In a state where being able to hunt, fish and camp in gorgeous and untrammeled nature is a way of life, worries about spoiled views, killed eagles and disturbed big-game animals such as elk and mule deer have grown with the spread of wind turbines."

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By metmike - June 20, 2023, 3:30 p.m.
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Thanks, jean!

Wind power and batteries are the most ANTI environmental, ANTI green form of energy wrecking the planet for diffuse, intermittent power while killing, bats, birds and whales, destroying landscapes/ecosystems and ripping up the earth for raw materials for crony capitalsm and political agenda based on corrupt science......making promises that defy the laws of physics/energy and economics. 

And the narrative that we hear to support these projects is that "it's saving the planet" while right in front of our eyes............we watch them WRECK the planet!


That planet is massively greening up because of CO2 emissions from the only  true green energy, fossil fuels from the REAL scientific law..........photosynthesis. 



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By 12345 - June 21, 2023, 12:04 a.m.
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AN UPDATED, MORE DETAILED WRITE UP

"Wyoming's position as the country's top coal-producer and a major source of oil and gas, meanwhile, has meant an uneasy relationship with wind at times. Wyoming is the only state that taxes wind energy, a $1 per megawatt-hour charge lawmakers have discussed raising to $4 or more."

Criminal cases for killing eagles decline as wind turbine dangers grow

"It comes amid growing concern that a proliferation of wind turbines to feed a growing demand for renewable energy is jeopardizing golden eagle populations already believed to be declining in some areas.

Dozens of permits approved or pending would allow roughly 6,000 eagles to be killed over several decades, government documents show. Most permits are for wind farms, and more than half the killed birds would be golden eagles."


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By 12345 - June 21, 2023, 4:11 p.m.
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AND, THEN..... HE DOES AN ABOUT-FACE!!  DUH!  I GUESS SOME SPECIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS, EH?

Biden Administration Moves To Restore Endangered Species Protections Dropped By Trump

By metmike - June 21, 2023, 4:33 p.m.
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People that are for wind power to save the planet are FAKE environmentalists or completely ignorant of the facts because the crony capitalists control all the false narratives. 

This includes Biden.

If you want to pick the energy form that, by a wide margin wrecks the planet by more than any other and kills the most wildlife.......it's wind. 

It's so common sense obvious using all metrics to measure what's going on. 

Burning fossil fuels emits CO2,  which is a beneficial gas. The increase is greening up the planet.

That hidden fact, by itself should give one pause when thinking about the impact on life(almost entirely beneficial and in many cases in a big way).

The slight increase in temps +1 deg+ over 100 years is helping almost all life. 

The Holocene Climate Optimum between 9,000 to 5,000 years ago was called an Optimum for a reason.

Temps in the higher latitudes were 2 deg,. C warmer than this and there was no Summer ice in the Arctic for periods(and the polar bears did fine).


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96335/#96341


I get that there will be some stronger hurricanes and heavy rain events can add another 7%+ on them for every 1 deg C in warming. 

But we are feeding an additional 1 billion people because of the better growing conditions from climate change and the increase in CO2. That by itself ourweighs the negatives. 

In past, life almost always did better when temps were this warm to 2+ C warmer than this.

It always did worse when temps were colder, including 100 years ago BEFORE climate change, when temps were 1 deg. C colder and the planet was close to CO2 starvation below 300 ppm.

We are still only at 50% of the ideal level of CO2 for most life.




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By 12345 - June 25, 2023, 1:18 a.m.
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By metmike - June 26, 2023, 5:40 p.m.
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Great interview, Jean!

Siemens Energy’s Troubles: A Case Study in the Misallocation of Resources

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/06/25/siemens-energys-troubles-a-case-study-in-the-misallocation-of-resources/


    Mike Maguire

        June 26, 2023 2:31 pm                

The Wind Energy Index shot up in 2020, as a Biden win was becoming increasingly likely.

All his policies favoring wind energy with subsides, tax breaks, rebates and mandates to force diffuse, intermittent, anti environmental, fake green wind energy on the market for crony capitalism and politics.
Then, in January 2021,  it was buy the rumor, sell the crap since Biden was inaugurated.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/wind

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By 12345 - Aug. 4, 2023, 7:28 p.m.
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3 New Offshore Wind Power Projects Proposed For New Jersey Shore; 2 Would Be Far Out To Sea

"Unlike other projects that have drawn intense opposition from homeowners in part because they are close enough to the Atlantic City and Ocean City shorelines to be seen by beachgoers, this project would be built 37 miles (59 kilometers) offshore and would not be visible from the shore, said Doug Perkins, president and project director of Community Offshore Wind.

He said the project has “the potential to transform New Jersey into a nation-leading clean energy development, training and manufacturing hub.” He said his company is the second-largest wind power developer globally, following Danish wind developer Orsted."

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HAVE ANY OCEAN WIND  "FARMS", GONE THROUGH A HURRICANE?

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 I KNOW SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN DENMARK... I'LL ASK HER IF SHE'S GOT WIND POWER.... I KNOW SHE'S AGGRAVATED WITH THEIR GOVT., ETC.  LOL

By metmike - Aug. 4, 2023, 11:39 p.m.
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Wonderful point, Jean!

Wind turbines are built to take winds up to 115 mph. GE was working on one that can sustain wind GUSTS up to 126 mph.


That far north, wind turbines might not be subjected to winds gusts greater than that but it's close. Besides extra tropical storms(hurricanes that moved north), Winter storms are also capable of generating wind gusts close to that.


Wind turbines automatically shut down when the wind speed gets above 55 mph to protect the rotor. They call it the Cut-out speed:

How Do Wind Turbines Survive Severe Storms?

https://www.energy.gov/eere/articles/how-do-wind-turbines-survive-severe-storms


Now for an example of junk science that dominates climate science and related energy topics , especially wind energy which are driven by crony capitalism and corrupted science. 

                         
                 

Wind Turbines Slow Down Hurricane Winds

                                    Hurricane winds are dissipated by offshore wind farms

https://riskandinsurance.com/wind-turbines-slow-hurricane-winds/

Computer models demonstrated that offshore wind turbines reduce peak wind speeds in hurricanes by up to 92 mph and decrease storm surge by up to 79 percent, said Jacobson, who worked on the study with University of Delaware researchers Cristina Archer and Willett Kempton

The researchers studied three hurricanes, Sandy and Isaac, which struck New York and New Orleans, respectively, in 2012; and Katrina, which slammed into New Orleans in 2005.

Wind turbines, which can withstand speeds of up to 112 mph, dissipate the hurricane winds from the outside-in, according to Jacobson’s study. First, they slow down the outer rotation winds, which feeds back to decrease wave height. That reduces the movement of air toward the center of the hurricane, and increases the central pressure, which in turn slows the winds of the entire hurricane and dissipates it faster.

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Taming hurricanes with arrays of offshore wind turbines

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2120

Abstract

Hurricanes are causing increasing damage to many coastal regions worldwide1,2. Offshore wind turbines can provide substantial clean electricity year-round, but can they also mitigate hurricane damage while avoiding damage to themselves? This study uses an advanced climate–weather computer model that correctly treats the energy extraction of wind turbines3,4 to examine this question. It finds that large turbine arrays (300+ GW installed capacity) may diminish peak near-surface hurricane wind speeds by 25–41 m s1 (56–92 mph) and storm surge by 6–79%. Benefits occur whether turbine arrays are placed immediately upstream of a city or along an expanse of coastline. The reduction in wind speed due to large arrays increases the probability of survival of even present turbine designs. The net cost of turbine arrays (capital plus operation cost less cost reduction from electricity generation and from health, climate, and hurricane damage avoidance) is estimated to be less than today’s fossil fuel electricity generation net cost in these regions and less than the net cost of sea walls used solely to avoid storm surge damage.

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Complete hogwash for 2 separate no brainer reasons.

1. All wind turbines must be shut down when the wind speed gets to 55 mph to protect them from severe damage. A minimal hurricane has a wind speed of 74+ mph. If even the weakest, minimal hurricane approaches(and tropical storms blowing 55+ mph) the wind turbines MUST BE completely shut down, so they are useless when the wind gets close to hurricane force.

2. Hurricane Katrina had winds of 175 mph at the peak. Winds that great will do major damage to a wind turbine field, even if its shut down.

Despite these incredibly obvious facts, they got funded for the study,  pretended those facts don't exist and  made bogus assumptions to come out with fairy tale numbers.  Then, the media covered it with no skepticism as if this is a potential solution to killing hurricanes.


By metmike - Aug. 4, 2023, 11:41 p.m.
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By metmike - Aug. 5, 2023, 12:04 a.m.
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                Wind energy fraud                    

                Started by metmike - April 26, 2023, 11:28 a.m.

            https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94780/