Afghanistan report
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Started by metmike - April 6, 2023, 11 p.m.

This one did not get many good reviews.

I'll start by posting the exact interview that I listened to on the radio, coming back from chess practice.

White House defends Afghanistan pullout, blames Trump administration for lack of prep

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1168490414/white-house-defends-afghanistan-pullout-blames-trump-administration-for-lack-of-

And he says they're actually applying those lessons in conflicts in Ukraine and Ethiopia, such as doing more worst-case scenario planning, for example, and communicating more about the risks of the impending invasion in Ukraine.

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The end of that statement is interesting. That pullout(which I celebrated) represented the end of the 2 decades, summarized below:


20 Years After U.S. Invasion of Iraq, Updated Estimates of Human and Budgetary Costs

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/

Summary

  • Over 929,000 people have died in the post-9/11 wars due to direct war violence, and several times as many due to the reverberating effects of war
  • Over 387,000 civilians have been killed as a result of the fighting
  • 38 million — the number of war refugees and displaced persons
  • The U.S. federal price tag for the post-9/11 wars is over $8 trillion 
  • The U.S. government is conducting counterterror activities in 85 countries
  • The wars have been accompanied by violations of human rights and civil liberties, in the U.S. and abroad
  • Over 7,050 U.S. soldiers have died in the wars.

Read All Findings



Let's see how this administration applied the lessons that they claim to have  learned in the Middle East that are being applied to their war against Putin with a review of the first year in Ukraine:

Damages

8 million refugees

350,000 dead, including 22,000 civilians-all Ukrainians.  

Approaching $1,000,000,000,000 in total damages from infrastructure, economic, agricultural, residential, environmental, education, housing, cultural, housing, utilities and transport-all in Ukraine.

$100 billion from US tax payers....much more to come, including rebuilding

Global inflation from supply disruptions in energy and food-hurting the poor most and part of why the Fed had to increase interest rates so fast-which collapsed some banks and threatens to become systemic.

Changing our relationship with China from an adversary into what is turning into more like an enemy. Same with the Middle East that made cuts in oil production to help Russia and hurt us.

Accelerating the incentive to replace the US dollar as the main global currency in transactions because of the US weaponizing the dollar to punish countries over political disagreements they have.

Keep in mind that these are enormous damages, especially  TO UKRAINE that are the result of  their so called benefiting from the lessons that this administration says they learned in Afghanistan and are right now applying in Ukraine.


Benefits

None yet but we are to believe that if we never give up and finally defeat Putin on the battlefield, then Ukraine can become a member of NATO.


We can say that there is 1 positive to this war compared the ones in the Middle East.


  • Over 7,050 U.S. soldiers have died in the Middle East wars but almost none in Ukraine.

That is the ONLY reason that Americans are buying into the blatant false war propaganda.  It has caused us to completely empty our heads of humanity for the poor Ukrainians and be unable to see the damage being done to our own country and the world and instead have our heads filled with hate for Putin that overwhelms common sense and completely ignore the stone cold catastrophic facts above. 

The no war in Ukraine option was always there but it required agreeing with Putin that Ukraine would not become part of NATO. 

The authentic lesson that Biden doesn't understand here is called NEGOTIATIONS 101!

Zelensky understood that when he campaigned and got elected on negotiating with Russia to bring peace to Ukraine. He was working towards that too. 

After Biden took office, Zelensky did a complete turnaround and suddenly  insisted on being fast tracked into NATO and told Putin to shove his negotiations.

Only 1 possible explanation for that.

He was bought out by this corrupt administration/Biden using him as a puppet to take out Putin.

In addition, our politicians have an unholy alliance with the military industrial complex that bribes them with lobby and other funding.

That is THE ONLY entity benefiting tremendously from this heinous war. 

Of course Putin is evil and should never have invaded Ukraine but we had the total power to make the 1 concession that he wanted to avoid this massive invasion. 

Biden left 1 war quickly in the Middle East in 2021 and immediately after that hijacked Zelensky's brain and STARTED A NEW WAR IN UKRAINE. Here's the evidence: 

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Russia and Ukraine make small steps toward peace, but no big leap

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/russia-and-ukraine-agree-to-ceasefire-by-the-end-of-2019.html

Key Points

  • Russia and Ukraine have agreed to a “full and comprehensive implementation” of a cease-fire before the end of 2019, after peace talks in Paris on Monday.
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met in person for the first time on Monday.
  • The meeting was a bid to resolve a more than five-year conflict in eastern Ukraine between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces in which over 13,000 people have died.
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Zelenskiy's First Year: He Promised Sweeping Changes. How's He Doing? 

https://www.rferl.org/a/zelenskiys-first-year-he-promised-sweeping-changes-how-s-he-doing-/30576329.html

One of Zelensky's two main promises was to bring the war to an end, a goal that polls have shown Ukrainians want to see accomplished more than anything.

Nevertheless, says Volodymyr Fesenko, director of the Kyiv-based Penta Center, Zelenskiy has found ways to make some progress. The meeting between Zelenskiy and Putin alone was a positive sign, since "the negotiation process to resolve the conflict in the Donbas had been at a dead end for three years."

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What the hell happened to Zelensky  1 year later for him to suddenly do a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde going from working towards peace to an "up yours Putin! Negotiations are over! We're joining NATO, go ahead and invade"?

BIDEN GOT ELECTED and bribed this corrupt man who abandoned his key election promise and betrayed his people.

Joe Biden was VP in charge of Ukraine corruption during his tenure and knew from experience, exactly how to exploit Ukraine corruption to get what he wanted. He even arrogantly bragged about it!!!

Joe Biden's 2020 Ukrainian
nightmare

. https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD067.pdf


https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

This is Joe Biden's war with Putin. He abruptly  ended peace talks between Zelensky and Putin that you can read about above by turning Zelensky into his puppet, that obeys his demands, just like he did in the story above. 

Now, looky, looky at what the US is doing. 

Only this time, it's 100+times the billion dollars in his story above but the big pay off for Zelensky, as promised has been elevating him to become a NATO hero and super star. 

Working for NATO and Joe Biden at the expense of his country and people. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94338/


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By metmike - April 7, 2023, 12:05 a.m.
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On the pulling out of Afghanistan better late than never.

We should have pulled out more than a decade earlier.


Biden want's to blame Trump for the problems  but in my book, Trump's commitment  to get the troops out was  the smartest Middle East decision by a US president in my lifetime.


Take it from Trump hating NPR to spin it negatively in 2021. 

Trump's Deal To End War In Afghanistan Leaves Biden With 'A Terrible Situation'

March 4, 2021

One of Donald Trump's campaign promises was to end the war in Afghanistan. Last year, he negotiated an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw all U.S. forces by May 1 of 2021.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/04/973604904/trumps-deal-to-end-war-in-afghanistan-leaves-biden-with-a-terrible-situation




By cutworm - April 7, 2023, 8:01 a.m.
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so the fellow with the mean tweets turns out to be the one who respected other peoples lives, while the nice basement guy, in the most essential respects, fundamentally, is a mass murderer. JMHO

By metmike - April 7, 2023, 9:13 a.m.
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thanks cutworm,

Good Friday to you!

you neglected to mention that the fellow with the mean tweets betrayed His own country and Constitution. 

Blatantly Abused his presidential power for 2 months  trying to overturn the most secure, tested and proven presidential election in history.

inspired his supporters to violently riot, breaking into the capital building in order to stop the newly elected president from being sworn into office.(don’t believe the nonsense from Tucker that they were peaceful because mcCarthy geve him access to 40,000 hours of videos so he could pluck out some peaceful moments and use those to blatantly MISrepresent the entire event).

this Has permanently poisoned the brains of tens of millions of republicans with regards to the most sacred feature defining our democracy…….free and fair and trusted elections.
all because he lost fair and square in 2020, refuses to acknowledge it and in the most diabolical act for any politician in history has turned most of his party against  what we stand for as Americans…..honest elections and  accepting results.

his supporters are forever convinced that elections which republicans lose are rigged…including those in power That enable that thinking and even exploit it to the max for their self serving interests as they cash in and jump on the election bs movement.

completely discarding any semblance of ethical standards and honesty in order to further their political careers by stealing the intelligence of Republicans.

and democrats couldn’t be happier to see an actual  republican self destructing the Republican Party for them and using that by (an Easter term) resurrecting trump so he will be nominated to run in 2024 and help the entire field of democrats to run as NOT Donald Trump…….which will get this administration off the hook from having to,suffer accountability for the most damaging 4 years of presidential decisions to our country in history by an extremely wide margin.

democrats are wrecking the country but they can keep getting re elected by running against anyone when they run as NOT Donald Trump. So the dems just need the Rs to maximize their Donald Trump candidates. In their dreams, the actual Donald Trump can run.

I strongly agree with trumps agenda for America including his promise to get out of the horrible Middle East wars but he completely disqualified himself from ever being in political office by every reasonable standard based on what he did above With 100% certainty.

Im very aware that Americans that agree with me on Trump, almost all support Biden’s diabolical war.

And Americans that agree with me on Biden, all believe everything that Trump and Tucker tell them.

people that tell us what we want to hear and read  when it always lines up with 1 political side are deceiving us because both sides are hopelessly corrupted with an objective of controlling our thinking by using convincing sounding schemes, manufacturing realities and false narratives to capture our brains. 

I know  many hundreds of wonderful, honest, smart people with great ethical,standards that want to make the world better for all of us, especially their  children And students.

Its our politicians and media exploiting our good people because they trust other human beings, that they assume are like them. Manipulating them shamelessly.

politicians and some in the media are NOT like the rest of us.

we are still the greatest nation in the world based on the people but are following the most corrupt, charismatic, convincing leaders in history that are using the power of technology and communications and their own lust to have power and control(telling people what they want to hear and read) to wreck our country.