Just who should decide on bondaries during public health crisis?
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Started by mcfarm - Sept. 24, 2022, 1:28 p.m.

and just how badly we totally screwed up the covid mess

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 3:03 p.m.
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How in tarnation can somebody interpret this to be an employee turning against Fauci?

do you even understand how the process works and what part of it that Fauci represented?

what this person is saying?

By metmike - Sept. 24, 2022, 6:15 p.m.
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OK, I checked.

This comes from a far right source that apparently has 377,000 subscribers.

The comments section tells us what we need to understand it. Sounds more like members of a religious cult, chanting in unison.

By the way, mcfarm, this interview was from a year ago. The majority of comments suggest that those viewing the video  think it just took place.

So for me, the problem is not the topic or points........and one can make a case for some of Jordan's points but the manner in which the person passing it on to intentionally mislead viewers. .....targeting Fauci.

The title of the video is this:             

      Fauci's Employee Turns on him, EXPOSES Hórrible Findings to Jim Jordan and the Entire Congress                        


40,452 views  Sep 23, 2022  Fauci's Employee Turns on him, EXPOSES Hórrible Findings to Jim Jordan and the Entire Congress

Anytime I see a blatantly dishonest  and biased title it reveals blatant dishonesty in the author of the title when the content doesn't deliver as promised.

By mcfarm - Sept. 25, 2022, 7:35 a.m.
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I did not care about some title. The point was we need to learn some hard truths before something similar comes along. Hell, we are still not positive where it came from and who all had a hand in its origin

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2022, 11:59 a.m.
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It came from a Wahun lab that was experimenting with similar virus's and one of the scientists spread it to the community. High confidence based on facts and logical/rational thinking, common sense.

Most people reading the explanation below, will be amazed that they were able to track the origin  down to an infected, illegal  raccoon dog, sitting in a spot in a Wahun seafood/meat market to be sold for food. Of course they couldn't do that.  Originally, they claimed it was from  a bat and that it came from overseas(China stated) and several other theories) but they concocted this fairy tale using a raccoon dog because it sounds more convincing.

Why Confirming The Origin of COVID-19 Matters


metmike: Nothing but propaganda and insisting that all the other explanations were the propaganda but this one is finally the truth........WRONG!

1.  There are 4,000,000 cities in the world. What is the chance that the 1 city with a laboratory experimenting with similar virus's, will also be the origin of COVID-19 but it did NOT come from the laboratory?  1 in 4,000,000!


2. The virology scientists and China immediately went into lying mode. Concocting tall tales about how it was brought to Wuhan from outside of China and about what their work at the lab was.

3. Only a relatively small number of insider scientists had access to the truth. They allowed all the lies to spread without contradicting them for the obvious fact. Under these conditions, what are the chances of the scientists in the lab(trust me, scientists are no more honest than non scientists-even less so in realms where they are wrong) going to acknowledge their blunder caused millions of people to die? They could go to prison for life and go down in history with a legacy of doing this to mankind.

4. We know how contagious COVID-19 is. Do you know how easy it would be for one of the scientists to catch it, then after leaving the lab, spread it to others?

5. It was awhile before we knew what was happening. The insiders knew very early on. Nothing from them, lot's of stories circulating that were mostly cover up the blame stories, except the logical one, the Wuhan lab. Now, 2+ years after all these fake stories circulated, they somehow were able to go back and pinpoint a raccoon dog sitting in 1 spot as if they have the capability to do that with this sort of confidence, years later. Almost everything about the story smells like propaganda, especially the tone of it.........telling us that the OTHER explanations were the propaganda and NOW, finally we have confirmation of the truth. Their tone of extreme confidence that THIS IS FINALLY THE REAL REASON, is the biggest indicator of it being propaganda.

6. Use your heads, man.  What makes more sense. A huge laboratory creating and experimenting with these exact virus's that have scientists that come and go every day or a raccoon dog that had some extreme biological leap take place, in the same city where the scientists work and years later was discovered by impossible to believe detective work. The so called detectives have control over what they want to incorporate into their investigation. For instance, they would have found pictures of raccoon dogs being sold at the Wuhan wet market in this time frame  and decided that was the perfect scapegoat and the picture of this one raccoon dog is the perfect evidence. Wow, out of thousands of raccoon dogs, they know that it was this one that had the biological miracle and not any of the Wuhan scientists leaving the one known  place in the world where the actual virus's like this existed.

7. If there was documentation tying these scientists to the origin of COVID and we've seen China lie at every point from the get go with certainty, those documents would likely  have been destroyed a long time ago. It's inconceivable to think that China is going to allow outside scientists into their sphere so they can discover the big cover up.

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2022, 1:04 p.m.
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Anywhere but here


China now insists the pandemic didn’t start within its borders. Its scientists are publishing a flurry of papers pointing the finger elsewhere


metmike: Keep in mind that this happened in a China laboratory, with Chinese scientists who are the ones that really know the truth. If China (and these scientists) continue to insist that it didn't even come from China and concoct absurd lies,  that's just more evidence that we can't trust sources, like the one on the previous page that somehow know more than the insiders of China (who claim it came from elsewhere) with their equally absurd explanations.

Also keep in mind, that NOBODY wants any blame in this for obvious reasons.

Damage control and misleading is what's controlling the false narratives. because of what it caused.

It's perfectly legit to hold Fauci accountable as one of thousands of scientists that have been "circling the wagons" to cover this catastrophic failure of virology science in Wuhan, that includes the blatant exposure of so many lying scientists covering their ars and the ars of their profession.

However most of the other political stuff targeting Fauci's handling of COVID at home has not been legit.

This is just part of  politics in the US today.  We have stopped seeing both sides of issues and  now see  high profile people in politics and other realms as being either FOR US or AGAINST US.

By mcfarm - Sept. 26, 2022, 6:02 p.m.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY_4g5dvJs   was big gov wrong or lying???/

By metmike - Sept. 26, 2022, 6:46 p.m.
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So glad that you decided to show another Jim Jordan clip, mcfarm. 

I didn't comment last time but will expose him here as  Jim Jordan shows us exactly what a loud mouthed idiot and bully that he is.

Trying to get attention, sounding tough to fire up his naive base that actually think he's winning some sort of debate in another completely absurd, non productive questioning session except for his political posturing, so that people on the far right can pass it around as evidence that he's standing up for them.

Let's help you out on that:

This is the person that he was questioning:

David C. Grabowski, PhD


        Professor of Health Care Policy, Department of Health Care Policy, Harvard Medical School      

    Dr. Grabowski received his BA from Duke University and his PhD in public policy from the Irving B. Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago. 

David C. Grabowski

Do you not realize how dishonest and completely absurd it was for Jordan to hammer this guy on virology and the origin of COVID  questions, that he repeatedly insisted was not his field but Jordan went on for 5 minutes because of course he knew that......when Graboski's field was public policy and that's what he was there about and that's what he repeated over and over. 

Jordan couldn't have possibly been looking for real answers. He knew this guys credentials and went on, relentless even after the guy made it crystal clear to everyone..........except far right brains that missed the obvious.

A person in Dr. Graboski's field would never be qualified to answer those questions.

The guy isn't even a medical doctor, no less specializing in virology!

But Jordan's manipulation of his gullible followers worked like a charm again. No wonder he supports Trump. He asks very similar/they have a lot of personality traits in common.........as in BAD THINGS in common.

The reason that we know his nonsense questions worked well on his base is that it showed up here as supposed evidence of the government lying or being wrong.

The guy wasn't even asked a question that he could answer.


Please try to resist letting people like Donald Trump and Jim Jordan manipulate you like this!

Thomas Sowell quote: When you want to help people, you tell them the...

By mcfarm - Sept. 26, 2022, 7:04 p.m.
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what I realized is what a whiney little cry baby this Harvard professor is. Does he not have the oral skills or brain cells to answer what are common sense questions? This is what we usually get when any member of the Biden cabinet comes before the people's representative. They are there to ask the people's questions and what the people need to know. That happens to be just what Jordon does, day after day, doing his sworn duty, not hiding behind the weeds and pretending you have not one thought about any present day corruption like this dweeb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3F2ZJGipiE  here is another example of that awful bully, Jim Jordon asking questions of civil servants before an authorized house committee. The nerve of that guy, again representing the people that these civil servants are supposed to work for. The nerve to ask them questions about gain of function research that we no find our own gov lied to us about and supported the awful mess in Wuhon. What a bully that Jordon is. In a republic the truth is supposed to be the solution. Nobody should be afraid to speak the truth especially these over paid puppets from the cdc and nih.

By metmike - Sept. 26, 2022, 11:18 p.m.
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your 2nd presentation from Jordan shows that he is very capable of effectively using the truth  via authentic facts when it lines up with his agenda.

you continue to have a delusional interpretation of his interview in the previous/1st post and ignored all the authentic facts that make it an embarrassment to any Republican that falls for his blatantly dishonest political theatrics attacking a person from a completely different profession than one that would be able to answer his questions.

after Tom Brady lost on Sunday, if reporters started asking him questions about soccer or baseball or basketball, you would think they were all retarded.
yeah, it was that bad with the Jim Jordan interview questions To somebody in a completely different profession than one that would know those answers.

your position is that because brady is a smart guy and a professional athlete, that he should have all the answers to questions about every sport.

as long as people insist on believing EVERYTHING coming from sources like this, their ability to tell the difference between when their sources tell the truth and when their sources lie or are manipulating them with theatrics or bs, like your first link….will Be elusive.

But maybe that doesn’t matter to them. 

are people willingly being mislead and know it but prefer to believe in things, like the child who wants to keep believing in Santa because a make believe world makes them feel good?

or is their political bias so powerful that it drowns out objective, critical thinking and they are completely blind to blatant realities staring them in the face?

By metmike - Sept. 27, 2022, 3:29 a.m.
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Here's why Jim Jordan is right with the 2nd link that you sent.

Ironically, this source below is trying to convince us that Jim Jordan and others are wrong about what the early emails meant.

Viral Posts, Pundits Distort Fauci Emails


"Let’s start with the Jan. 31 email. Andersen wrote to Fauci: “On a phylogenetic tree the virus looks totally normal and the close clustering with bats suggest that bats serve as the reservoir. The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (< 0.1 %) so one has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered.”

He continued: “We have a good team lined up to look very critically at this, so we should know much more at the end of the weekend. I should mention that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike, and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. But we have to look at this much more closely and there are still further analyses to be done, so those opinions could still change.”

So, Andersen said that there were “unusual features” of “a really small part of the genome” of the coronavirus that “(potentially) look engineered.” But he said that more analysis was necessary and his opinions “could still change.”

That’s exactly what happened, Andersen said on Twitter.

On March 17, 2020, Nature Medicine published an article by Andersen and other scientists on the origins of the coronavirus. “Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data,” they wrote.

They determined the virus likely originated through “natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer,” or “natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer.” They said they “do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” because they “observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features … in related coronaviruses in nature.”


metmike: This is just more solid evidence to support the previous compelling evidence:


In the case above, they want us to believe that 4 elite virologists that look at genomes for a living ALL AGREED that this genome was inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory. Then they had a bunch of secret meetings and all of a sudden, the story changed to a biological miracle with a 1 in 4 million chance of it happening exactly in the 1 city where the scientists  were messing with genomes like this.

The source wants you to believe the cover up story is the real one and emphasizes that the bat coronavirus has 96% similar DNA to this one.

So what? That's exactly why the story they concocted was that it came from a bat. And the fact that it was only a small part of the DNA that looks engineered does not mean it lowers the chances. Just the opposite. That's exactly what they were doing in this lab is changing just a small amount of the DNA/genomes. If it came from this lab..........this is likely what it would look like and why the 4 experts, immediately recognized it as being engineered.

The fact is, these lying scientists and lying China are insulting our intelligence with all these different stories about the origin, some pretending that their version is the definitive explanation.

Others stating that we can never know for sure.

Of course we can never know for sure because there's a .001% chance that China and these scientists at the lab would ever provide us with the complete documents which would be needed to know for sure.

Altered documents and destroyed documents for sure. But no chance at all would they provide incriminating evidence.  This is China, man. 

Scientists can be every bit as dishonest as everybody else, especially when protecting an interest. 

By bear - Sept. 30, 2022, 4:09 p.m.
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let me decide... i don't think i would mess it up more than any other character over the last couple years.  

By mcfarm - Oct. 1, 2022, 9:27 a.m.
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If I had to make a choice between Bear and our big government mess it would take me about 2 seconds to choose Bear

By metmike - Oct. 1, 2022, 12:58 p.m.
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I like most of bear's ideas too, mcfarm!

After 3 decades of trading grains for a living based on weather, he just taught me about the (Spring) wheat crop in Arizona.


Maybe I knew at one point and just forgot???

More likely this:

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