How Damaging is Biden's Gaff?
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Started by joj - March 27, 2022, 6:26 a.m.

9 words that may have unnecessarily escalated an already dangerous war.

"For God's sake.  This man cannot remain in power" (referring to Putin)

We should have 2 priorities in our current policy.  Ending the war on terms acceptable to Ukraine and discouraging any escalation by Putin.

Biden's statement is at odds with both of these.

White House officials are walking it back as quickly as possible with a message that he cannot remain in power over conquered regions, and that Biden did not mean regime change.  If it really was the policy of the US that Putin must step down, it would sort of give Putin a free hand to escalate.  (Nothing to lose).

Even if Biden had not said those words it is self evident that Putin's invasion changed things forever.  We will never go back to where it was before the invasion.  Putin has made himself a pariah to the West and most of the world.

By mcfarm - March 27, 2022, 7:19 a.m.
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Wow JOJ, did you really miss these words. Surely not as damaging as these to our brave soldiers. "When YOU get to Ukraine you will see large tanks, death and desperation" Don't know about you but when did we decide our soldiers were going ? How could a gaff be bigger, ohh I'm quite sure Biden and Harris will figure that out.

By metmike - March 27, 2022, 12:57 p.m.
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Those 9 words will now be more damaging than anything else he says. Those that are saying he didn't really mean what they mean(a regime change) are proven wrong by the fact that he said "FOR GOD'S SAKE, this man cannot remain in power"

When people state something that starts with or ends with "for God's sake" it's being used to emphasize emphatically their message..........and they REALLY MEAN IT.

for God's sake | for Heaven's sake


You can say this to show you're angry or upset, or to strongly emphasize what you're saying.

For example

  • "When are you going to fix the roof?"
    "For God's sake, Emma! I said I'd do it when I have time, OK?"

  • "I lost my phone again, Dad."
    "Again? Try to be more careful, for Heaven's sake."

metmike: The potential implications of Biden saying this are all bad. For one thing, it tells us that the US is in fact working to overthrow Putin. Whether you agree with that strategy or not, that message represents the same tactics we used in the Middle East and the world to overthrow leaders we didn't like and install puppets.

More often than not, it backfired.

Putin already knows we are out to get him. However, Biden announcing it to the world gives him even more ammo to his belief that he is actually defending him and Russia and the West are the ones interfering.

Now, he has the proof with those words. Biden IS in fact planning to eliminate Putin as leader of Russia.

There is no going back on this.  Nobody except gullible fools will believe that Biden didn't mean what his words meant. 

If Putin ends up using nuclear weapons, he can use this statement to justify the most extreme measure possible to defend him and Russia because the US just signaled its intention to eliminate him around the world!!!!

Whoops, his spokespeople are saying. He didn't really mean that.

And what else would we expect them to say?

"For God's sake, don't believe everything that Biden says after meeting with all the European countries and concluding  with this speech that is supposed to express what the just got done discussing"  "He's old and cerebrally challenged and has a history of gaffs" "The entire world, listening to/reading his speech should just understand this fatal flaw"

Yeah, right. 

He just blew some credibility as being the leading spokesperson for the West.

It's just 9 words, as joj stated but those words just told us something that we didn't know based on the 90,000 words he stated prior to that. 

Many suspected this but he just came out and emphatically told us. 

By metmike - March 27, 2022, 1:06 p.m.
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If Putin uses nuclear weapons, I will come back to this thread to show one of the reasons that he acted that way to defend Russia/Putin.

yeah, that’s how bad this was.

I greatly appreciate you bringing it up here joj!

to me, this shows a willingness to discuss situations that represent blunders from both sides.

extremely rare trait in todays political world but very admirable from my view!

By WxFollower - March 27, 2022, 3:37 p.m.
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Whether deliberate or unintentional, these escalatory statements — particularly when combined with the U.S.’s escalatory actions — are dangerous beyond what can be described. As an Australian news outlet reported on Sunday, “Russia has launched a missile strike near Poland in what appears to be a deadly warning to the United States.” The accompanying video (see lead photo above) shows at least three long-range cruise missiles, launched from a Russian submarine in the Black Sea, precisely striking targets in western Ukraine, near to where Biden was in Poland. That missile launch, the outlet reasonably concluded, “appears to be a deadly warning to the United States.”

 From here:

By metmike - March 27, 2022, 4:39 p.m.
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Extremely well put Larry. 

Wonderful article. I agree completely.

As a time when the most important objective should be DE escalation of the war.

Biden has managed to do the complete opposite and  ESCALATE the biggest risks. 

By joj - March 28, 2022, 2:39 p.m.
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Thanks for your kind words Mike.

I would be remiss if I didn't note that when Reagan called the Soviet Union "The Evil Empire", people completely freaked out about how escalatory that rhetoric was.  Now, he is a hero for ending the Cold War for calling a spade a spade.

History will judge...

By metmike - March 28, 2022, 7:50 p.m.
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With regards to the Reagan comment.

The "Evil Empire" speech was a speech delivered by U.S. President Ronald Reagan to the National Association of Evangelicals on March 8, 1983 during the Cold War. In that speech, Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as an "evil empire" and as "the focus of evil in the modern world". Reagan explicitly rejected the notion that the United States and the Soviet Union were equally responsible for the Cold War and the ongoing nuclear arms race between the two nations; rather, he asserted that the conflict was a battle between good and evil.

Reagan never mentioned replacing the leader of Russia.


I'm sure you will remember this too, just last year, after Biden called Putin a killer(which is true):

Biden walks back Putin remark, calls him ‘worthy adversary’

President Biden on Monday downplayed his previous description of Russian President Vladimir Putin as “a killer” — calling him “bright,” “tough” and a “worthy adversary” ahead of their upcoming summit meeting.


Of course Donald Trump has nothing to do with this but one of the reasons that people voted for Biden is that they detested all the insane, inflammatory, loose cannon remarks(including me) by Trump.

Turns out that, possibly  the most dangerous one in American history in that category was just made by Biden.

I watched CNN for several hours today, telling viewers that Biden didn't really mean it and that we should believe him and those in his circle that insist he didn't really mean that.

Of course he meant it. It's silly to even have a discussion on whether he meant it or not because its so obvious. People that insist he didn't mean it just make themselves look biased or naive or dishonest. 

This isn't about what political party you belong to. Regardless of the party of the president that said this............the president of the United states SAID IT and said it emphatically!

Biden’s Unhinged Call for Regime Change in Russia

The case that he really did mean it has already been made here. Now, the world needs to adjust based on the fact that he already said it.

By metmike - March 28, 2022, 7:58 p.m.
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Again, if we end up in a nuclear war with Russia, I will copy this thread to show one of the contributions of continued escalation with inflammatory rhetoric and lack of attempts to de escalate by Biden.

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By metmike - March 28, 2022, 10:39 p.m.
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By metmike - March 29, 2022, 12:07 p.m.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if Biden's gaff resulted in Putin fearing for his life and this triggered the end of the war.

Then, Biden might have to flip back stating that he really did mean it (-:


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