CDC reverses indoor mask policy,
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Started by metmike - July 28, 2021, 1:25 a.m.

CDC reverses indoor mask policy, saying fully vaccinated people and kids should wear them indoors

Key Points

  • The CDC recommended that fully vaccinated people begin wearing masks indoors again in places with high Covid transmission rates.
  • The updated guidance comes ahead of the fall, when the delta variant is expected to cause another surge in new coronavirus cases and many large employers plan to bring workers back to the office.
  • Experts say Covid prevention strategies remain critical to protect people from the virus, especially in areas of moderate-to-high community transmission levels.
By metmike - July 28, 2021, 1:50 a.m.
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Cloth masks will not effectively protect you.

N95 masks WILL protect you. The 95 in  N95 is because they filter out 95% of virus's. 

Cloth masks should be called N00 masks(-:  Actually, they do filter out some of the aerosols with virus in/on them.

There are no shortages of N95 masks. 

Why is this ROCK SOLID scientific fact and mask production/supply fact NOT being screamed out from the rooftops by those supposedly responsible for giving us advice to protect ourselves?

If you are too dumb to get vaccinated, at least wear a mask that N95 mask(interesting that many of those most against wearing masks, are also against getting vaccinated)

The N95 Mask Shortage is a Myth: Here’s Why

FDA: N95 masks, now plentiful, should no longer be reused

By metmike - July 28, 2021, 1:56 a.m.
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Cloth masks may look better, but they don't work better

"The single-biggest piece of evidence for this comes from one of the rare randomized controlled trials of cloth-mask use, which was conducted in 2011 and published in the British Medical Association journal BMJ Open in 2015. One group of Vietnamese hospital workers was supplied with two disposable masks daily and another with five cotton masks that they were supposed to wash with soap and water and reuse. At the end of the four-week study period, cloth-mask wearers were 13 times more likely to have come down with influenza-like illnesses than the disposable-mask wearers. The cloth-mask wearers also got sick at more than three times the rate of those in the control group who received no instructions at all, a result cited by mask skeptics as evidence that cloth masks are worse than nothing"

metmike: What in the heck is wrong with the authorities in not telling us to wear the plentiful, proven irrefutably to work, N95 masks???

By metmike - July 28, 2021, 2:03 a.m.
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   Get N95 masks ASAP! Here's the truth.            

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                Started by metmike - Dec. 21, 2020, 7:27 p.m.    


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                            metmike: I've been vaccinated, which massively reduces my chances of getting a severe, life threatening case of COVID.  However, the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine may start to wear off as the year wears on and I will probably start wearing an N-95 mask again in high risk exposure situations.

It's likely that we will all need vaccination boosters, maybe every year or 2 years............just like we get our annual flu shots in the Fall, ahead of the flu season.


By metmike - July 28, 2021, 2:27 a.m.
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Why Aren’t We Wearing Better (N95) Masks?

Efficacy of cloth face mask in prevention of novel coronavirus infection transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis


"Cloth face masks have limited efficacy in combating viral infection transmission. However, it may be used in closed, crowded indoor, and outdoor public spaces involving physical proximity to prevent spread of SARS-CoV-2 infection."

By metmike - July 28, 2021, 2:27 a.m.
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They continue to grossly mislead people by pushing cloths masks as devices that effectively protect the users who wear them.


Only the N95 masks do that. The N95 stands for the ability of the masks to filter out 95% of the virus particles.

The cloth masks that we are instructed to wear should be called N00 masks (-:

There is no shortage of N95 masks. Why are they continuing to push the N00 masks and not the ones that actually work, N95 masks?

This is insane..............telling people who are vaccinated that they should wear cloth masks that don't work.

By metmike - July 28, 2021, 2:43 a.m.
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The smartest thing that you can do to protect yourself  from COVID is to get an extremely wide margin smarter than any other COVID related decision.

The 2nd smartest thing that you can do, if you are refusing to get vaccinated because of to wear an N-95 mask.

In crowded, urban settings with a high incidence of COVID, it would be a good idea to be vaccinated and to wear an N-95 mask, especially if you are older or have compromised health/are over weight.

Many places require wearing a cloth mask. Wearing a cloth mask in those places allows you to enter..............but won't do much more than that. 

By TimNew - July 28, 2021, 3:59 a.m.
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Ever notice that following the science these days can strain your neck worse than a spirited tennis match?

By mcfarm - July 28, 2021, 10:13 a.m.
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MM how about if the government gave some and the people gave some. How about before one more silly announcement by the cdc, fauci, jenpsaki, or Biden the government gets serious about stopping covid at the southern boarder. If they fail to act the people are done, will do not one more circus trick for big gov. If the government gets serious about the southern boarder I am betting the jump in vaccinations will be historic. 

Otherwise this is what is coming, More forced shut downs that do not work, masking of kids which serve no purpose and do not work, more virtual class rooms which only cost our kids an entire year of real schooling and do not work etc, this list could run the page. Then as the people rebel because these failed policies there very  well could be heavy push back, which would naturally lead to libs claiming another 'insurrection" by the evil non can see where this leads.

By GunterK - July 28, 2021, 12:30 p.m.
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timnew wrote "..ever notice that following the science these days can strain your neck worse than a spirited tennis match?"

I am by education an engineer who worked in the Aerospace industry.  Working on space travel is all about science.... nothing but science.

Somehow, I have the feeling that the term "science" is not a proper terminology for anything related to the pandemic.      "Guesswork" or "experimentation" comes to mind

I don't mean to offend all the people who have studied and devoted their life to virology.... however, things are simply not going very smoothly.  This virus has caught them unprepared.

By TimNew - July 28, 2021, 12:45 p.m.
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Oh I dunno Gunter.

I think it's been mentioned here,  but seems "science" today is driven at least as much by politics as it is by actual data.

And we know how badly politics can muck things up.  There are too many examples..

By GunterK - July 28, 2021, 1:08 p.m.
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You are right, timnew…. but I din’t want to bring politics into this discussion.

To make my point…

A few days ago, a UK newspaper discussed the “Covid hospitalizations” in the UK

We all know, among the various ways Covid shows up in our lives, ‘Covid hospitalization” is the most serious category, exceeded only by “Covid death”

This study in the UK showed that a whopping 56% of the 780 “Covid hospitalizations” were people who came to the ER with other issues (like broken leg, appendicitis, etc) and were then given the PCR test, which showed that they had a tiny bit of Covid in their system (no symptoms).

13% of the 780 came in with other issues, Covid-free, and then caught the virus while in hospital.

All of them counted as “covid hospitalization” cases.

What kind of “science” is it that uses 56% fake data to produce their pretty charts???

By metmike - July 28, 2021, 5:44 p.m.
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"What kind of “science” is it that uses 56% fake data to produce their pretty charts???"

The exact kind of anti vaccine, anti science Gunter religion that you've been trying to sell here in recent weeks Gunter.

The biggest problem is that you can't tell the difference between authentic science and anti science.

You love this article because it lines up with your tunnel vision position that is applied to EVERY realm of COVID.........we can't trust ANY data or science from Fauci, or the Biden administration or the CDC or the WHO or the government anymore, now that Trump is gone.

You aren't following science, you're following a religion that has blind faith in the anti vax, anti government, anti Fauci, anti authentic science, mostly far right sources. 

This one lines up with what you want to you can jump on board and be a cheerleader for this thread to agree with metmike and use it in your mind to confirm all the other bs things that you believe in.

I pick and choose what I support and reject based entirely, 100% on the authentic science. Not what ideology or political party or organization or person or internet site or tv station says.

It's ironic that people who define their science based on the political ideology of the sources that they use are saying that science is political...........meaning to accuse the OTHER side, that they disagree with of being political.

Both sides are political out the wazoo with regards to most realms in COVID. 

It's quite clear to me that people who feel strongly about their political affiliation are not capable of seeing objective science. They only see THEIR sides politically spun version of science.

Since both sides do it.............that means that when YOUR side is doing it............your are blind/oblivious.

So, its great to support this discussion using facts and science on masks but PLEASE don't try to use it as evidence that other proven legit/authentic realms of science are bs science....... that only works in politics.

The realm of masks is totally different than that of the vaccinations for instance and they are both different than the topic of the origin of COVID. Each one is different and independent of each other. 

One party doesn't have the franchise on authentic science. They are both using it for politics. 

By metmike - July 30, 2021, 6:45 p.m.
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A wonderful analogy to this cloth mask situation compared to the massively superior N95 masks that should be recommended over the cloth masks.

When you go on vacation to a tropical paradise or  the local beach,  backyard pool or just outside for an extended period in the Summer sun,  no doubt that you wear a high SPF sunscreen when outside all day and exposed to the sun................IF, you want to be protected from sunburn.

Some people might not want protection. We are talking about those that WANT the BEST protection from the sun. 

What if, during the Summer, when the sun was straight up and most powerful, all the experts, recognizing the high potential for that sun to burn you...... advised only one kind of sunscreen......SP 8 sunscreen like this below;

Instead of the best sunscreen like that below:


Best Overall

 Neutrogena UltraSheer Dry-Touch Sunscreen SPF 100+  


  “I tell patients to choose a product with the highest SPF possible,” says Joshua Zeichner, M.D., director of cosmetic and clinical research in dermatology at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. “In the real world, we do not apply as much sunscreen as we should. Starting out with a higher SPF acts as an insurance policy to give the highest level of protection for the longest period of time.” This non-greasy, fast-absorbing option from Neutrogena will get the job done during those long beach days.


This is exactly what all the so called experts are doing when they push the cloth masks instead of the N95 masks!

Be smart and get vaccinated. In densely populated areas with a high incidence of COVID wear an N95  mask for the BEST protection.

edit 7-31-21: With so many people being ignorant and refusing to get vaccinated, it's best just to wear N95 masks indoors in ALL settings where masks are required.

Edit; 7-31-21: I just saw yesterday's new COVID case stats. ....182,000!!!! That's 18 times the number from 1.5 months ago. Get N95 masks!!!

Edit 11-8-21: The incidence of COVID has plunged the last couple of months in many area and so with it, the risk in those areas. Unvaccinated people, however should continue to wear N95 masks in crowded places. Those vaccinated, however have much less risk which means MUCH MORE FREEDOM in this realm and are OK without masks, especially if you've received a booster shot.