Biden vs Putin
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Started by metmike - June 14, 2021, 7:33 p.m.

Biden says he won't hold a joint press conference with Putin because he doesn't want to get 'diverted' by who 'talked the most'

  • President Joe Biden on Sunday explained why he won't hold a joint press conference with Putin. 


  • Biden and the Russian president will meet on Wednesday in Geneva. 


  • Biden said he didn't want a joint conference to distract from the conversation between the leaders.

"I always found, and I don't mean to suggest the press should not know, but this is not a contest about who can do better in front of a press conference or try to embarrass one another," Biden said Sunday at Cornwall Airport Newquay in England, The Hill first reported. "It's about making myself very clear what the conditions are to get a better relationship" with Russia."

"I know you don't doubt that I'll be very straightforward with him about our concerns, and I will make clear my view of how that meeting turned out"

metmike: I'm sure that's just peachy for the MSM and Biden followers who buy into his promise about being transparent............that he keeps breaking more than keeping....... on certain things like the southern border crisis(when they were not allowed the media to cover it) and COVID facts.

The real reason is that he doesn't want the media to be there to observe and document what actually goes on and is said.  This is risking him looking like a fool and it being a public relations disaster. I'm not saying that will happen but the Biden administration absolutely cannot take the chance of it happening. 

As usual, they fully intent to create the narrative which depicts what they want people to think happened. That is it!

Then, like many Biden situations, after the talks are over, we will get a contrived description of events that paint Biden as our fearless leader, asserting human rights and US issues, with Putin learning some lessons from tough talking Joe. If Putin makes some jokes like he did a few months ago about Biden's cognitive ability, we wouldn't want that to be part of the record(this was after Biden called him a killer).

I don't think that Putin would dare make a joke like this. He will be respectful and Biden probably will do a good job but they don't want to take a chance of him looking bad.

I was always more concerned that Trump would say something embarrassing when meeting with..............anybody(-:

By metmike - June 14, 2021, 7:41 p.m.
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Biden walks back Putin remark, calls him ‘worthy adversary’

President Biden on Monday downplayed his previous description of Russian President Vladimir Putin as “a killer” — calling him “bright,” “tough” and a “worthy adversary” ahead of their upcoming summit meeting.

 During a news conference at the annual NATO meeting in Brussels, Belgium, Biden said he answered “honestly” last year when he said, “I do” in response to a question about whether he thought the former KGB agent was “a killer.”

 “I believe he has, in the past, essentially acknowledged that he was — that there were certain things that he would do or did do,” Biden said Monday.

 “But it’s not — I don’t think it matters a whole lot in terms of this next meeting we’re about to have.”

 Biden, who kept reporters waiting more than 90 minutes past the scheduled start of his briefing, also said of Putin, “I have met with him. He’s bright, he’s tough.”

 “And I have found that he is a — as they say when we used to play ball — a worthy adversary,” he added.

 Biden also said that “every world leader here as a member of NATO, that spoke today….thanked me for meeting with Putin.” 

“There were probably about 10 or 12 that spoke to it, saying they were happy that I did that, and I was going to do that,” he said.”And they thought it was thoroughly appropriate that I do.”Biden also claimed that “I haven’t found a world leader” who thinks he’ll be meeting with Putin “too soon.””So there is a consensus. And they thanked me for being willing to talk with them about the meeting,” he said"

metmike: Nice that we got to hear that every country is thanking Joe for doing this............from Joe. I'm sure that everything will go just fine and we will get to hear Joe tell the media and public about that too......with him and Putin being the only ones at the meeting and Putin being gone when he describes what happened.

By metmike - June 15, 2021, 2:13 a.m.
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MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The agenda of the upcoming meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden will include issues pertaining to strategic stability, the fight against COVID-19 and cybersecurity, as well as regional problems, Kremlin aide Yuri Ushakov said.

By wglassfo - June 15, 2021, 12:32 p.m.
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I think Putin still has some respect for USA military power in the conventional sense. But advances in hyper sonic missiles, etc have evened up the gap. Putin has said NATO is an ancient relic and I think he believes what he says about Nato

Putin will never give up his gains in the Crimea

As for Biden the leader of the USA, Putin has no fear of this person, only the pentagon/chief of staff and generals has any back bone

Putin is selling USA treasuries and with drawing from SWIFT as much as possible. He will accept Euros for gas deliveries via the pipeline to Europe

Putin is buying gold, as per, what he can afford, currently about 5 %  of the budget

Putin has said the americians say everything is always russia russia from elections to cyber breaches. But he has a valid point when he says there is no proof and thus is hysterics from the USA. He says the cold war is over for russia but the USA wants to continue with cold wars tactics such as NATO which Putin is not worried about

Putin says the USA military is living in the past with cold war tactics, russia russia everything etc.

By metmike - June 15, 2021, 6:06 p.m.
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I think you are right about all of that Wayne. Appreciate the great points. You do that a lot here.

What possible dynamic or tactic could possibly cause Putin to suddenly change his governing methods and tactics?

Or to give up any gains and change objectives?

He has made  comments that the climate crisis is a joke.

It’s 100% based on slight global warming for Pete’s sake. Look where Russia is located. Russia and Canada stand to benefit the most from climate change because they are MUCH MUCH too cold right now compared to optimal conditions.

He will pacify other countries by being a member of the climate accord of course.

The climate accord is about global socialism and global governance with the UNited Nations at the helm. This is where the world is headed in tandem with the current cultural it or not here in the US or Canada.

Russia led by Putin has no need for being part of this. They already have Russian communism dictated by Putin and Russian gatekeepers. Putin only intends to do and say things to pacify the rest of the world, while continuing the current regime.

Unless somebody can tell us what would change that?

By metmike - June 15, 2021, 6:21 p.m.
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Also agree with you on Putin’s belief  that the US uses Russia as the scapegoat to blame  more things than they deserve to be blamed for.

And it’s actually true. 

The dems, media and justice dept wanted to delegitimise trumps authentic win in 2016 and they used(abused) Russia to try to do that.

Then, when hunter Biden’s laptop with the massive incriminating authentic evidence comes out......we heard that Russia was behind it. No evidence that Russia had anything to do with that but the media and dems and justice department know how powerful false narratives are for brainwashing Americans when Russia is the bad guy.

Not exactly the best situation for establishing friendly relations with a powerful and dange

Biden referred to him/them as an “adversary”.

That’s the way he/they want us to think of Russia.

Being an adversary is not a good thing.

That’s not to say that Putin is anything but a bad guy with countless human rights violations and nefarious agenda/objectives.

Which makes it so easy to blame them for anything and everything............they are just the sort of  country to do that sort of thing!

By metmike - June 16, 2021, 7:20 p.m.
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Five takeaways from the Biden-Putin summit

metmike: There is one thing that both political sides (D's/R's)can agree on here, actually as they always do..............THEIR side is right and the other side is wrong (-:

The D's and R's have completely different takes on the meeting though.

I will say that it was probably a good thing to at least have this meeting and that Biden is not the type of person that typically inflames people that oppose him, like Trump did habitually,  though Biden said that Putin  "is a killer" and "has no soul" in the past which aren't exactly compliments, even though they might be true and were honest.

Regardless, we are supposed to just believe the spin of Biden telling us what was said and Putin telling us what was said based on no witnesses to report/record it.

It has been painfully obvious,  others realize this too.... that the US is extremely vulnerable to cyber attacks which could shut down key parts of our society.

I doubt that today's meeting will have any impact on cyber attacks. I think that earlier, Biden threatening that the US would respond with counter cyber attacks is silly and potentially counter productive. What sort of form would those take? They would just result in an escalating cyber war, with each side trying to hurt the other side more than they are being hurt and pretending that the other side is causing it and its not them thats responsible.

The only way to make this better is to have systemic, effective protection from cyber attacks. That is the only way. People that do this sort of thing have no conscience and are really smart and almost none of them, especially from other countries will ever be caught and the potential attack they create can be extremely powerful from their end(by itself, feeding their ego/motives)

Why Is It So Hard To Catch Cybercriminals?


Do the crime but never do the time.

The idea of good conquering evil is a staple of Western fiction, from novels and plays to movies and TV shows. In the vast majority of cases, you know the hero of the story is going to win in the end, because that's how it's meant to be. It's a nice thought, but in reality, that’s not the case at all: criminals nearly always get away with it – and nowhere is that more evident than with cybercrime. Although the authorities have succeeded in capturing hackers in the past, the vast majority of cybercriminals never face any consequences for their actions. What makes it so difficult to catch them?

By GunterK - June 16, 2021, 10:58 p.m.
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I totally agree with you about your comments about cyber attacks.

There is little doubt that these ransom attacks were done by individuals, with intent to get some money, rather than by state agencies.

Threatening Putin with US state-sponsored cyber attacks is absurd and dangerous.

Also agree with your comments about nobody really knowing what was said, since no reporters were allowed.

All we can do is listen to their post-meeting press conferences, and both parties may have skewed their real impressions a bit.

Putin accepted questions for 1 hour… questions from both Russian and Western reporters.

Biden only allowed questions from reporters who were approved by his “handlers”.And those questions were most likely scripted by those very same handlers.

How embarrassing!

However, it’s good they met. If somebody called me a “killer without a soul”, I would consider him to be my arch-enemy. Hopefully, this meeting softened this Biden comment a bit.