This is sickening:
"Cellphone video that has since gone viral shows the heated confrontation between Pentland and the unidentified victim in a subdivision in Columbia called The Lakes at Barony Place."
It shows Pentland, who is white, demanding the victim to leave the area, telling him, 'You’re in the wrong neighborhood, motherf—er” and then threatening him with physical violence.
'You either walk away or I’m going to carry your ass out of here,' Pentland tells the younger man. 'I ain’t playing with you. I’m about to show you what I can do.'"
The Black man lives nearby.
Jonathan Pentland in Custody - Bing video
Thanks much Larry,
This was completely unacceptable behavior to use force and intimidation, but because its a white person and black person, we all assume that it has to be race and this poor black guy was targeted for no other reason except that he was black.
Of course that must be it. The video shows it clearly right?
Did the sergeant once use race or call him a racial slur?
Turns out that there was another reason, that the video does NOT show and the media does not tell you about that happened at least a couple of times in this neighborhood BEFORE this incident involving Deandre.
I think this is why the MSM is not giving us the last name of Deandre because then people could look it up.
Let's hear some comments before I post what it was......that I think was the real reason for the incident.
Mike,
The point wasn't use of a racial slur but rather the white man's worry about him and thinking he didn't live in the area because of of his being black. It looks racially motivated. Regardless, the white guy was charged.
He said this: "You’re in the wrong neighborhood, motherf—er” and then he threatened him with physical violence.
Wrong conclusion!
The only other people walking in the neighborhood, close by/right past them in this incident in the video at the 3 minute clip...............were black.
The person recording this incident............was black.
Was he harassing any of them?
There was a reason that he was harassing this guy that had ZERO to do with his race and all to do with previous incidents with this person(who could have been white and still seen as a problem for the neighbors-not just this guy)
Great. You can make 1,000 posts of other people getting faked out.
That doesn't negate the facts right there in your video.
The only other people walking on the street in your video WERE BLACK.
The person shooting the video WAS BLACK.
You don't even know the history of this person(black or white) with this neighborhood.
Use some rational thinking. There had to be something DIFFERENT about this guy, than all the other black people in the neighborhood THAT WE CAN SEE.......for him to be telling him to get out.
Do you know what it was?
when I first saw that video, I said OMG, this is horrible
Today's edition shows the transcript of the whole conversation, and it becomes quite clear that this young kid did something bad, before the camera was rolling.
and I said... OMG, another case of the media presenting something out of context, and before you know it, the mob is in front of your house.
Gunter,
Prior to the incident that started this before the video got started, there were previous documented incidents involving Deandre, that resulted in complaints to the police from other residents.
"Deandre is not a juvenile, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott revealed while addressing the matter. He also said that Deandre had been involved in other incidents in the neighborhood in the days leading up to the video but that "none of them justified the assault" and that Deandre won't be facing any charges."
Do we know what those "other incidents" with other people in the neighborhood were?
Why not? Since they were the ENTIRE reason for the seagent to want him out of there.....not because he was black but because of what he kept doing to the residents.
Why did the white guy say "you're in the wrong neighborhood, m-fcker"? Isn't that racial profiling?
from one of the readers' comments:
"The Army sergeant was set up. "Deandre" whos real name is being with held has been scamming the neighborhood out of reactions. Loitering in peoples front yards, "walking" and stopping for minutes in hand... at the edge of peoples driveways. Thats not normal behavior. He had two females using alias' following him and recording. They are race baitors looking for prey."
In the meantime, the soldier's house has been vandalized, and he was charged..
"Why did the white guy say "you're in the wrong neighborhood, m-fcker"? Isn't that racial profiling?"
That's the evidence?
A guy that clearly doesn't live in this neighborhood(where other blacks live with this white guy) and has been coming to their neighborhood to harass people and that doesn't factor into it?
If the guy he intimidated was white, then the same comment would not be racist would it. Why wouldn't he say exactly the same thing if the guy was white looking at the real reason that he said it.
Because the sergeant was white and the other guy was black and everybody fell for the incomplete version of the story painted to make the white guy out to be a racist.
Then, when people decide that's what it was, when all the facts come out..................too late. Cognitive bias and assumptions won't let new information in.
Show me a history of this guy being a racist and I will agree that it could have been a factor. I WILL change my mind if those facts come out.
Otherwise, limited facts are just being twisted to give an explanation that was not the real reason when you look at ALL the facts and the entire picture objectively.
COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA: Fort Jackson Drill Sergeant, Jonathan Pentland was ca
A couple of hours later, Shirell Johnson who witnessed the incident take place, took to Facebook to clarify a couple of things and within the same post, she also revealed that the person who Pentland harassed was named Deandre. For those wondering Deandre is "doing ok but still processing" and so is the lady who recorded the video and she has been identified as Lady Shadae.
The young Black man seen in the video above has been identified as Deandre. Throughout the ordeal, he was maintaining a calm demeanor and didn't react recklessly even after being pushed around violently. The video began with Pentland asking Deandre to walk away from the neighborhood while implying the latter didn't belong there. Deandre insisted that he was taking a walk and maybe Pentland was new to the neighborhood but the latter just kept reacting with anger.
At one point he shoved Deandre and yelled expletives at him while the latter kept arguing that he hadn't done anything that warranted the behavior. “Let’s go, walk away,” Pentland said. “I’m about to do something to you. You better start walking right now," he added. Deandre is not a juvenile, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott revealed while addressing the matter. He also said that Deandre had been involved in other incidents in the neighborhood in the days leading up to the video but that "none of them justified the assault" and that Deandre won't be facing any charges.
Pentland was charged with third-degree assault and listed as detained in the Richland Count jail and issued a personal recognizance bond, according to online jail records which didn't show him as having an attorney. The US Department of Justice is also investigating the matter.
The public outrage and fury against Pentland and his wife, who was also heard making remarks against Deandre in the video, culminated in their house being vandalized. A statement from Richland County Sheriff's Office asked people to stay out of the area as the protests at the Pentland residence had turned violent. "The protests at the Pentland home have become violent. The family was removed after it was vandalized. They were moved to another location and the neighborhood is being closed off except to residents. Please stay out of the area," the tweet read.
I'm confused. I thought he lived nearby.
I would like to see more information about Deandra from credible sources about what he may have done before this incident when it is available before possibly changing my feeling about the racial profiling.
Regarding the protests, there's no good reason for them to become violent. Bad!@
That's the way it is today. Whatever the media tells us................must be and before we hear/see the entire story/picture or check to see if there is anymore to it........time to riot for justice.
Vandalize the guys house. Make threats to his life. Ruin his reputation...........before even knowing why he acted that way.
There is only one side to all stories and its the one the media shows us right from the beginning.
We know somebody that got compensated for being attacked this way. This is not excusing the behavior of the sergeant, just making the point that the media will jump all over the race card and sensationalism without even knowing the facts, then when they find out the facts which show they were wrong, THEY CENSOR THEM:
Washington Post settles $250M suit with Covington teen Nick Sandmann
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/56725/
I'm not saying this is just like the Sandmann case. Just that we don't know enough facts to even know why it really happened............. just like we didn't know the reasons for the incident behind the Sandmann incident until later.............after the media had labelled Sandmann as a racist little snot, intentionally blocking the path and getting in the face of a righteous, harmless Native American.
Then...........we found out that the Indian brought on the confrontation and Sandmann was just trying to keep cool. And the Indian had a long history of stirring up trouble and breaking rules and inflaming tensions.
Sandmann?
He was only there with his Catholic classmates for a pro life rally to demonstrate their support for human life from conception to death because of their religious faith.
He got quite an education about the diabolical real world but the real world bumped heads with a boy that had some really smart parents that knew a really, really smart attorney.
"I would like to see more information about Deandra from credible sources about what he may have done before this incident when it is available before possibly changing my feeling about the racial profiling."
Me too Larry.
From the twitter of the Commanding General at Ft Jackson: newest on top
"I remain deeply concerned for the members of our Army family, the young man and his family, and the tensions that activities like this amplify over time; please be patient as facts are determined," Fort Jackson Commanding General, BG Beagle.
"This action deeply impacts our community--the neighbors in the Summit, the city of Columbia, Richland & Lexington counties, and our Army family," Beagle said.
UPDATE//: The leaders at Fort Jackson in no way condone the behavior depicted in the video posted recently," said BG Milford Beagle, Jr, Commanding General of Fort Jackson.
Thanks larry!
I absolutely do not condone the bullying manner in which this person asserted himself on the much smaller person using his physical advantage.....pushing him around aggressively and verbally This was very offensive, regardless of the circumstances.
As a coach of 3,500 K-12 kids in chess the past 26 years, guess what type of kid plays chess? Yeah, a lot of nerds with glasses. In my early years doing the middle school age, I was appalled at the teasing that some of the chess kids got......that was communicated to me by my own son who wanted me to leave his name of the list I submitted to the principle to recognize chess kids in our tournaments during accouncements in the morning.
I could give you numerous stories but just know that I always sympathize with any victim of bullying and am for penalizing the offender......for bullying.
I also greatly sympathize with victims of racism of any kind. I'll copy my recent thread on Asian hate crimes.....a serious problem right now.
I totally get people's perception of this incident. A hulk of a man is totally abusing another man nonstop, who looks more like a child because of how little he is.
This by itself is an outrage in my book too.
But what I strongly object to is injecting racism into it automatically, when an objective observer, even one repulsed by his actions that hates racism and hates bullying, can't see the clear racism when you take away the emotions and just use the facts.
The problem today is that sometimes, we can't tell the difference between REAL racism and manufactured racism. When you accuse somebody of being a racist, you should be dang sure you have the absolute truth because society will shun you and hate you and try to ruin you if people think that you are a racist.
It's one of the most powerful words that we can use to destroy somebody else and sometimes people use it wrecklessly for political agenda and to hurt their opponents.
People are not most offended that this hulk of a man bullied a smaller man.....the are all upset that it was a white man that did it to a black man because of racism. Are we really that sure that this guy hates blacks and this is how he treats blacks because of the hatred? That is what racism is all about.
If you look at the facts leading up to this, the person abused was obviously doing things to people in his sub division that led to some formal complaints by them......probably unrelated to race.
There were other black people in the video and the person who shot the video was black. Something about this black person was different than the other black people.
What seems to be most likely, is this well developed, army trained man decided to address the complaints himself using physical and verbal intimidation, in his mind, possibly trying to resolve a problem before it got more serious between this guy and residents that he was harassing on his block.
We don't know what the black guy did but clearly he did something(s) to trigger the response of the white guy.
If it was just being black, then you must assume the black guy really didn't do anything at all and was picked on for the sole reason of him being black.....a racist.
If the black guy DID do things to harass neighbors that would be considered harassment whether he was black or white..........then why are we assuming the white guy was only acting this way because the guy was black?
Would there be the same outrage if the guy picked on was white?
We would have never heard or seen a peep because only things that result in a white person responding to what a black person did can be sensationalized into headline news that is almost always assumed to be racism from the get go, long before many of the facts are known.
Once humans think they know something, it is almost impossible to change their minds.
In this case, millions will assume that this guy is a racist.....no matter what we find out later.
If I see evidence of previous racist behavior by the white guy, THEN my opinion will be that race may have played a role with this incident. Enought evidence and I will think that it was a major factor.
But there is zero evidence of it right now and we have people that don't know a dang thing about him vandalizing his house, threatening his life, protesting, accusing him of being a racist, destroying his reputation forever.
All because of what they saw and read in the media and think that they know.
Regardless of what else we find out, I condemn this guys actions as strongly as possible because of how he treated ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.
If it ends up that he did it because of race, than its a bit more offensive but no human being deserves that treatment.
Sadly, we are being conditioned to see everything based on skin color.............and political beliefs.
We are taught that it's a horrible thing to hate a person because of their skin color, a good lesson(even though its abused for political agenda) but at the same time we are constantly being conditioned/taught to hate other people because their political belief system is different than ours...for the political agenda. Hate their guts, judge them and even try to hurt them. Withdraw from communicating with them because their political belief system is different than yours. Never try to see the world thru their eyes because your political side is always right on almost 100% of everything and the other side is almost always wrong. Their agenda will hurt most people, your parties agenda will help most people. Your side is trying to save the world, while the other side is destroying it. Your side is honest and tells the truth, their side tells lies, manufactures facts. Why wouldn't you want to hate people like that?
Forget about teaching us to love and respect each other based just on them being human beings. Skin color matters as does political affiliation when it comes to judging a persons worth and how to treat them.
Black people deserve preferential treatment today because of what we did to them in the past...........unless they were BLACK republicans that supported Trump. Then it was ok to sheet on those friggin traitor, oreo, Uncle Toms. It's that valuating somebody's worth thing again using politics and race. Politics trumped race in that case.
Mike,
You’re making some good points. Let’s see what this army general concludes as he wants time to analyze further. Also, let’s get a clearer picture of what Deandra did or didn’t do before the unfortunate incident, which we agree was wrong. Then I’ll have a better idea about whether or not the racial assumption by millions of folks, including me initially, is accurate. Even if he was not being racial, he should have called the cops, right?
I was typing just as you were Larry.
Yes, I agree that he should have called the cops. Not so funny but if you are a black person, having the cops called on you might seem even worse based on what we are conditioned to think.
metmike: So we know that there were enough previous incidents with Deandre in this neighborhood so that he had actual formal charges filed against him based on complaints by neighbors and an evaluation of the infractions by the prosecutor, which this sergeant likely knew about.
Deandre returned once again to the neighborhood and apparently was harassing somebody prior to the video recording.
I can assure you, that if he had those 2 prior charges filed against him for different incidents he:
1. Would have been told about it. The cops don't charge people with crimes and never tell them. He may have had a preliminary hearing scheduled or that already took place.
2. Would have been advised by his attorney and if no attorney FOR SURE by the cops to stay out of that neighborhood, while he waited for trial.
3. Deandre shows up again and starts trouble. Educated guess:The hulk of a staff sergeant, who is probably in the business of yelling at people in the army to get them to follow orders and do what he wants them to, decides to take matters into his own hands and uses his training to assert himself to get Mr. Trouble out of their neighborhood, where he was told to stay out of................using physical and verbal intimidation.
4. Now we find out that they are claiming Deandre is mentally ill. OK, that might be the case but the frustrated sergeant is not a psychiatrist. He bullied the guy but the guy must have been ordered by the court/cops/attorney to NOT go back to that subdivision.
5. Regardless of how you want to spin it, there is no reason to suspect race had anything at all to do with the sergeant's behavior and everything to do with Deandre's previous documented actions/history in this neighborhood and violating what he was told........to not return, then on top of that harass people again. Seems very likely that Deandre came there to cause trouble.
6. Who gets charged with animal cruelty? Somebody intentionally harming a person's pet?
Turns out, that this is usually a dangerous person to humans:
https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/animal-cruelty-and-human-violence-faq
A number of studies have drawn links between the abuse of animals and violence against people. A 2001-2004 study by the Chicago Police Department "revealed a startling propensity for offenders charged with crimes against animals to commit other violent offenses toward human victims." Of those arrested for animal crimes, 65 percent had been arrested for battery against another person.
Of 36 convicted multiple murderers questioned in one study, 46 percent admitted committing acts of animal torture as adolescents. And of seven school shootings that took place across the country between 1997 and 2001, all involved boys who had previously committed acts of animal cruelty.
metmike: Having a lawyer to get you off for being mentally ill does not make you less dangerous. Most mentally ill people don't harm animals(or people). There must something bad inside of them to go along with it in order to want to hurt innocent creatures.
I don't know why Deandre was charged with animal cruelty. Hopefully we will find out but they may not want us to know. Here's the thing with most people that have committed animal cruelty(this is not animal neglect but cruelty). They have no conscience and often little or no empathy for other creatures, including humans. This might explain why Deandre came back to this neighborhood after likely being told not to come back. A rational person that cares about other people would not do that.
Also many people, would think that anybody that would intentionally harm a pet or animal too see it suffer is mentally ill.
Problem with that is that so many violent criminals with a history of animal cruelty could get off with mentally ill claim.
Another thing that just hit me. A previous charge was TRESPASS. That there, 100% explains why the Sergeant said: "you're in the wrong neighborhood, m-fcker"?
Thanks, Mike. However, this is from the Daily Mail, which has been rated as being low on the factual totem pole. I’d like to see what CREDIBLE sources say about this before making any conclusions. What about Reuters or AP, for example? So, I’m still waiting. Regardless, the Sargeant handled this poorly and thus was arrested for good reason. He’s not a victim as he should have called the police instead of shoving and threatening Deandra.
Thanks Larry,
This is actually where I found it originally because the others obviously don't want to mess up the racial narrative to the story but I figured that you would reject this one too but they got it from the mail.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2720247/black-man-assaulted-sergeant-mentally-ill/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-sun/
Mike,
Yes, of course, I’m rejecting that because it is regurgitated from the same Daily Mail report.
https://neilmathew.medium.com/congratulations-jonathan-pentland-now-youre-famous-fea0f4f7bba2
metmike: I'm just providing as much information as I can find. It's been really odd that they won't identify the victim. They claim that he has the same zip code, so he lives close by.
Am I an idiot? There are people that have my zip code that live over 5 miles away. There was actually a situation(s) before the confrontation that the police say they will not release because its not relevant to the case.
If the victim had been charged with tresspassing for going in that neighborhood and told not to go back or had been abusing an animal or somebody's pet...........that's not relevant?
What if the sergeant knew about this and was trying to get rid of somebody that wasn't supposed to be there?
I disagree completely with how he handled it but at the very least, we understand what was going thru his head and it would have nothing to do with race.
Again, I'm not defending this guys actions but when people cover up information, it makes me suspicious.
It's possible they were just trying to protect Deandre.
I will educated guess, that since the cop answering questions said that there was something there but he wanted people to just see Deandre as the victim is clear evidence of their being something.
We only have a couple of sources on the right reporting what it was. Why would they make up those charges? Trespass and animal abuse? Why would they make up that Deandre was admitted to a mental health facility?
Of course this has taken on a life of it's own and turned into a circus of hate:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/blm-protester-outside-home-of-pentland-says-hes-dying-of-covid/
Here's what's very interesting from one of the least reliable sources out there. I'll comment on the next page.
Nonetheless, Pentland was thrown under the bus by Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, suspended from his job by army officials at Fort Jackson and targeted for persecution by Attorney General Merrick Garland’s hyper-political Department of Justice.
On the court record on the previous page from Infowars.
There are only 2 things possible about it.
1. It's totally legit and Deandre is a messed up dude and the sergeant could have been trying to protect his neighborhood, aggressively OVER asserting his drill sergeant training with no racial elements to it.
2. Infowars is totally messed up and found another Deandre in the Richland County Court records(blocking out the last name, to trick gullible readers).
This is going to be THE ultimate test here for Infowars.
If it's number 1 thats true, then anytime somebody condemns Infowars for their crapola, this can be used to defend them (using the blind acorn or broken clock theory (-:
If it's number 2, anytime somebody uses Infowars for a source here, I will bring up how low they will go in a diabolical scheme to lie to put the spin they want on the story.
Mike,
Thanks for the additional info. So, we still wait for credible enough sources of news on this topic. This could still go either way. Some forums are treating it as case closed against the Sargeant as far as being a racist/racial profiling is concerned. I initially thought that but am going to keep an open mind for now and see if Deandra really did anything bad (of significance) in that neighborhood beforehand.
Larry,
I abhor bullying of any kind but one reason that I think this army drill sergeant is being unfairly judged is nobody is looking thru the world thru his eyes.
Anybody that acts like him anytime, anywhere would seem extremely dangerous.......except for one possible thing.
This may be how he's been acting and been trained to act as part of him doing his job well for many years.
When I watched him interacting with this much smaller man, physically and verbally intimidating and abusing him..........knowing his profession, this is what I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4irFJ7q96ns
Do you/we know of another profession that requires somebody to act just like this guy did for a living?
Again, not excusing it because he was in public and has to turn it off but him directing this behavior, I believe had very little to do with intense hatred for the victim but him just being............him like he acts on the job and inappropriately using it off the job.
Does this make sense?
the drill instructor told the kid "'You’re in the wrong neighborhood, motherf—er"
Funny....
quite a few years ago, I was in a black neighborhood in Los Angeles, late at night, in the parking lot of a McDonalds.
I was being told the exact same thing.;. with the exact same words. lol
Gunter,
They were directing that comment at you because of race. Are you then, suggesting this WAS from race then?
In my case, directed at me, it was definitely, 100%, a racial comment.
Actually, I was lucky, I didn't get attacked. I know a man of mixed race (black, irish) with black features, but very light skin color. He was beaten up badly in Watts (south of LA), because of his skin color (proven by the racial slurs before the beating).
However, in the case discussed in this thread, there were some comments made on the news,, at the very beginning, that the young kid had molested women in that neighborhood. This would explain the soldier's rough attitude. However, until all the facts are known, I will be careful to make judgements
I only found it funny that the comments directed at me included the identical words used in the other case.
I grew up in a pretty nice neighborhood in Detroit.
However, if you went northwest, north or east by a mile, it turned pretty bad fast and it was dangerous to be white. I still am amazed that I was dumb enough to go into those neighborhoods with no good reason.........and never got beat up. Close a few times(by groups of young blacks) but nothing bad and it made for some good stories.
Glad those weren't my neighborhoods!
I bumped into a guy 20 years ago when I was volunteering at a fund raiser here in Indiana that did grow up in one of those neighborhoods a few miles from my house. Wow! My close call stories defined every day of his life growing up.
He actually grew up not far from where the setting of this movie was. I only like a few rap songs but had to see this one as soon as it came out!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Mile_(film)
8 Mile is a 2002 American drama film written by Scott Silver and directed by Curtis Hanson. It stars Eminem in his film debut, alongside Mekhi Phifer, Brittany Murphy, Michael Shannon, Anthony Mackie, and Kim Basinger. The film, which contains autobiographical elements from Eminem's life, follows white rapper B-Rabbit (Eminem) and his attempt to launch a career in hip hop, a genre dominated by African-Americans. The title is derived from 8 Mile Road, the highway between the predominantly black city of Detroit and the largely white suburban communities to the north.