could all or any othis be true.....election coincidences
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Started by mcfarm - Dec. 27, 2020, 8:29 a.m.

Interesting!!

AT&T got a contract to do forensic audit on Dominion voting machines and those machines were being moved to Nashville this past week.

The former owner of the AT&T building in Nashville, William Kennard, is a board member for Cerberus Capital Management and AT&T.... He also was Bill Clinton’s FCC chair, and Obama’s Ambassador to the EU.

Dominion voting is owned by Cerberus Capital Management.... Cerberus is run by Staple Street Execs. Joe Bidens Brother in Law, Steven Owens, is the cofounder of Staple Street Execs along with William Kennard (mentioned above).

Super Computer in TN was connected to the AT&T internet in NASHVILLE.... yesterday evening the Cumberland river cooling system was compromised due to internet outage and Supercomputer fried.....

If you don’t know, “Kraken” is a reference to a supercomputer former prosecuter, Sidney Powell, has been talking about.

So, the explosion “just happened” to be at the AT&T location where they “just so happen” to control the cooling system for the super computer and house the dominion voting machines and drives for forensic audit...

Does it make sense now why no lives were lost? Does it make sense now why the FBI task lead couldn’t even put together a coherent sentence in the press conference yesterday? Does it make sense why the mayor was making light of the situation, almost laughing yesterday?

*Still think we are all crazy?

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By metmike - Dec. 28, 2020, 2:32 p.m.
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*Still think we are all crazy?             


What site did you read this at mcfarm?

"If you don’t know, “Kraken” is a reference to a supercomputer former prosecuter, Sidney Powell, has been talking about."

I thought that she was referring to this Kraken:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken

The kraken (/ˈkrɑːkən/)[1] is a legendary sea monster of gigantic size and cephalopod-like appearance in Scandinavian folklore. According to the Norse sagas, the kraken dwells off the coasts of Norway and Greenland and terrorizes nearby sailors. Authors over the years have postulated that the legend may have originated from sightings of giant squids that may grow to 13–15 meters (40–50 feet) in length. The sheer size and fearsome appearance attributed to the kraken have made it a common ocean-dwelling monster in various fictional works. The kraken has been the focus of many sailors passing the North Atlantic and especially sailors from the Nordic countries. Throughout the centuries, the kraken has been a staple of sailors' superstitions and mythos.


By metmike - Dec. 28, 2020, 2:33 p.m.
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By GunterK - Dec. 28, 2020, 5:11 p.m.
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and the plot thickens....

When I heard of the explosion, I thought that they should be able to quickly find out who owned this vehicle (license plate or VIN number). And they did.... we now know who the culprit is.

He gave away his home prior to this event. He was worried about 5G devices spying on us. He said he would drive to the woods with his dogs, for a few days. He is now officially identified as the "Nashville Suicide Bomber"

A sad story.... but .. case closed... nothing else to see... go on with your lives and forget about this incident.

However....

several websites are now pointing out that the stripes on the Suicide Bomber's RV do not match the ones seen on the RV used in the bombing incident.

So... who did it... really???? Instead of talking about ATT promoting 5G, does it have to do with something else....maybe Dominion machines?

Sharp eyes even claim that one of the videos shows a missile trail, right before the explosion.

And where is the guy with his dogs? If somebody set this up, can they afford to let him re-appear?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-27-its-not-the-same-rv-official-narrative-of-nashville-suicide-bomber.html

By mcfarm - Dec. 28, 2020, 5:37 p.m.
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I repeat ......RICHARD JEWELL and our crooked FBI

By metmike - Dec. 29, 2020, 9:33 p.m.
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"several websites are now pointing out that the stripes on the Suicide Bomber's RV do not match the ones seen on the RV used in the bombing incident.

So... who did it... really???? Instead of talking about ATT promoting 5G, does it have to do with something else....maybe Dominion machines?

Sharp eyes even claim that one of the videos shows a missile trail, right before the explosion.

And where is the guy with his dogs? If somebody set this up, can they afford to let him re-appear?"

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-27-its-not-the-same-rv-official-narrative-of-nashville-suicide-bomber.html


Gunter,

This really  is pretty  loony tunes stuff.

There seems to be no limit on how absurd the conspiracy theories can get when I read stuff like what this link speculates about regarding the Nashville bombing.


                                    


By metmike - Dec. 29, 2020, 10:14 p.m.
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metmike: Note that this comes from a conservative source, Forbes:

Dominion Going After Right-Wing Media Stars Over Voting Fraud Conspiracy Theory, CEO Won’t Rule Out Suing Trump

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/24/dominion-voting-ceo-wont-rule-out-suing-trump-over-election-fraud-conspiracy-theory/?sh=310ace9b6485

"Dominion Voting Systems CEO John Poulos said on CNN Thursday the company will “definitely” be taking legal action for defamation against those who have spread a false conspiracy theory claiming the company’s voting machines were used to perpetrate election fraud, even suggesting the company’s litigation could extend to President Donald Trump, as the company’s attorneys issue a blitz of letters warning of “imminent” litigation to Trump allies including major conservative media figures like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

Poulos confirmed reports the voting company’s attorneys sent letters to Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani and White House counsel Pat Cipollone this week, which directed them to preserve relevant documents and informed Giuliani legal action was “imminent,” after sending a letter to attorney Sidney Powell last week calling on her to retract her claims about Dominion.

       

According to copies of the letters published by Law & Crime, Dominion’s attorneys have also sent letters warning of impending litigation to conservative news outlets Newsmax, One America News, Fox News and the Epoch Times; conservative news figures Hannity, Limbaugh, Maria Bartiromo and Newsmax’s Greg Kelly; conservative attorney Lin Wood and Melissa Carone, who Giuliani has promoted as a witness to supposed voter fraud efforts, among others."

metmike: I hope they nail them for millions as, everyday here recently,  I see the evidence of their efforts to poison the minds of some good Americans........Trump supporters on this issue into believing their propaganda.

By metmike - Dec. 29, 2020, 10:24 p.m.
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Forget the conspiracy theories — here are the real election security lessons of 2020

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/27/election-security-lessons-2020-450356

The foreign cyberattacks that so many intelligence officials feared didn’t upend the 2020 elections — but this year’s contests nonetheless showed how much the nation still needs to do to fix its security weaknesses.

Paper trails protected the integrity of the votes in closely watched states, thanks to hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid, but many counties still lack that protection. States mostly rejected the riskiest voting technology — internet balloting — but a few embraced it. And a pandemic-ravaged nation managed to vote safely and reliably, but election offices are still woefully short of money and staff.

Perhaps most of all, this year also exposed the United States’ vulnerability to election threats from within, as President Donald Trump and other leading Republicans promoted discredited conspiracy theories to try to nullify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

            

“The big picture lesson from 2020 is that ensuring an accurate result isn't enough,” said J. Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan computer science professor and leading election security expert. “Elections also have to be able to prove to a skeptical public that the result really was accurate.”

Restoring that trust starts — but doesn’t end — with improving the election technology, policy specialists say.

Joe Kiniry, the chief scientist at the election technology firm Free & Fair, said the U.S. “simply cannot continue” using election systems that “an enormous fraction of the electorate” considers “broken.” Without urgent reforms, he said, “2024 will be a disaster.”

Here are the biggest election security priorities that 2020 revealed:

Replacing paperless voting machines

Trump and his supporters have stirred up distrust about Biden’s wins in Georgia and Pennsylvania, but their failed efforts to scrap those results would have been more effective if the two battleground states hadn’t replaced their paperless voting machines in 2019.

Armed with paper records of every vote, officials in Georgia, Pennsylvania and other closely contested states have been able to doublecheck their results and rule out the possibility of widespread fraud. Paper ballots have been essential in discrediting right-wing conspiracy theories about corrupted voting machines and vote-switching supercomputers.

                                                   

“That’s why it’s so important to have paper ballots,” Chris Krebs, the former director of the Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, told senators during a hearing Dec. 16. “So even if there was foreign interference of a malicious algorithm nature, you can always go back to the receipts. You can check your math.”

He noted that “Georgia did that three times and the outcomes were consistent over and over and over again.”

But nine states still use paperless voting machines to varying degrees, according to an ongoing POLITICO survey of election offices. In Texas, which is gradually becoming a presidential battleground state, some counties have even purchased new paperless machines in recent years, despite getting $23.3 million from Congress for election security grades in 2018.

Without a paper record of every vote, it is impossible to reliably recount or audit a jurisdiction’s results, because there is no way to rule out the possibility that malfunctioning or compromised voting machines miscounted the electronic vote records.

That could be a serious problem in Texas if, as many Democrats hope, it becomes the next Georgia. And once states or counties have plunked down millions of dollars on new voting machines, they’re typically reluctant to replace them again in the short term.

By metmike - Dec. 30, 2020, 11:56 p.m.
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Gunter: "Sharp eyes even claim that one of the videos shows a missile trail, right before the explosion.

And where is the guy with his dogs? If somebody set this up, can they afford to let him re-appear?"

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-27-its-not-the-same-rv-official-narrative-of-nashville-suicide-bomber.html


Your source claims this:

"We are currently calling it a “missile,” although others have pointed out the possibility that this could be the result of a Direct Energy Weapon (DEW) fired from orbiting weapons platforms. However, the fiery bomb blast seems to indicate a kinetic / chemical explosion did take place, even though other videos appear to show that this explosion appears to have initiated slightly above the RV itself, not from within the RV."


metmike: Alleging that this could be from a Direct Energy Weapon, rang a familiarity bell in my head so I went back and checked and sure enough, this sources was claiming these same weapons were causing West Coast wildfires earlier this year and we were tipped off about this by you.........using the same source:........which I  busted.


                a sinister view of the wildfires            

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                Started by GunterK - Sept. 16, 2020, 3:45 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/59199/

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Gunter's source:

Mysterious beams: Directed energy weapons (DEWs) linked to wildfires in California and Oregon

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-27-directed-energy-weapons-linked-to-wildfires-california-oregon.html

Fact check: California wildfires were not caused by “powerful lasers”

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-california-wildfires-lasers/fact-checkcalifornia-wildfires-werenotcaused-by-powerful-lasers-idUSKBN25R1VH


Were California Wildfires Started by Direct Energy Weapons?

 The claim that laser beams have been used to ignite wildfires has been online since at least 2018.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-wildfires-direct-energy/

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 12:25 a.m.
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Regardless, the video from this link below, shows the street view explosion occurring at the 20 second mark. There is no missile strike. We would have seen it coming from the sky just before the explosion if that had been the case.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2020/12/28/nashville-bombing-captured-police-camera/4057827001/

So the missile strike or energy beam narrative  is completely busted 100%.

When you catch somebody in a huge lie or mischaracterizing a situation so blatantly, it means they are a very unreliable source.


The Christmas Day explosion in Nashville, Tenn., was the result of a “missile strike.”

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/29/facebook-posts/nashville-explosion-was-suicide-bombing-not-missil/


pants-fire

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 12:33 a.m.
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Fact check: Photos, videos altered to make it appear as if Nashville bomb wasn't from RV

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/29/fact-check-altered-images-suggest-nashville-bomb-wasnt-rv/4061934001/

Combination of images creates altered depiction of events

The combination of the still shots into a video, or the juxtaposition of the shots next to each other, creates an altered depiction of what actually occurred. 

On Dec. 27, the Metro Nashville Police Department released the complete footage of the explosion and its aftermath, published by The Tennessean.

The 42-second video shows that the blast originated from the RV on the left side of the street, before debris exploded on the right. Smoke pours out from the left.

Both before and after the explosion, there is a white car parked on the right side of the street. If the blast originated on the right, the car likely would have been destroyed. 

Reporters for Nashville's NewsChannel 5 first debunked the altered images and claims that the RV was not the source of the bomb.

Investigators have said that the perpetrator, Anthony Warner, filled his RV with explosives and detonated it from within. His body was incinerated in the blast.

Phil Williams, the station's lead investigative reporter, took to Twitter to condemn explosion-related conspiracy theories and explain the true sequence of events.

"The FALSE conspiracy theory about a Nashville missile attack is based on altered images. The RV is parked on the left. The initial fireball is on the left. Fiery debris (not a missile) rains down on the right. (Basic physics.) In the end, the RV is gone," he wrote.

It's possible that the second still shot in the posts on Facebook came from midway through the blast to make it appear as if the source was not the RV. But the complete footage discredits that depiction.

Multiple officials, including Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director David Rausch, have announced that Warner acted alone in the attack. His motive is still a mystery, according to USA TODAY.

Fact check:Viral photo of star is an illustration and wasn't taken by the Hubble telescope

Our rating: Altered

Based on our research, the video that claims the source of the explosion in Nashville was not the RV is ALTERED. The still shots that comprise the video were selected from footage of the blast and juxtaposed to make it appear as if the blast was on the right. But complete footage, released by the police, shows that the explosion originated from the RV on the left side of the street, before debris exploded on the right.

Our fact-check sources:

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 12:45 a.m.
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With regards to the ludicrous allegation that this bombing somehow had something to do with the election. This was made up too:

AT&T not conducting voting machine audit near Nashville explosion site

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9898209641


VERIFY: No, AT&T was not auditing voting machines inside a building damaged by the Nashville bombing

    The explosion damaged a nearby AT&T distribution center and about 40 other buildings on and around Second Avenue.

https://www.kiiitv.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-att-was-not-auditing-voting-machines-inside-a-building-damaged-by-the-nashville-bombing/531-0aec3379-938e-43f8-9f0b-93beb0855976

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The FBI is still trying to figure out the motive for a Christmas morning bombing that heavily damaged parts of downtown Nashville.

At the same time, stories have been spreading on social media claiming the bombing was part of a coverup to hide election fraud.          Skeptical viewers contacted 13News to ask our VERIFY Team to investigate the claims.                                                                 

                       Investigators say around 6:30 a.m. on Dec. 25, an RV apparently packed with explosives blew up in downtown Nashville. The explosion damaged a nearby AT&T distribution center and about 40 other buildings on and around Second Avenue.

                                                                Not long after the explosion, a social media post on Facebook or Twitter began claiming the Nashville bombing was part of an election coverup.                                                                 

The social media post states “AT&T got contract [sic] to do forensic audit on Dominion voting machines and those machines were being moved to Nashville this past week” before the bombing. The claim implies the explosion was an elaborate plot to destroy voting machines that might have yielded evidence of fraud in the 2020 election.                                                                                                                   

Since losing the election, President Trump and his lawyers have claimed Dominion voting machines robbed him of millions of votes, even though there is no proof to suggest that’s true. 

                                             esist letters to stop the spread of what Dominion calls deliberate lies and fabricated conspiracy theories designed to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which show Trump trailing by more than 7 million votes.

                                               So did AT&T have a contract to conduct a forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems machines in Nashville just before last week’s explosion?

                                                       We took that question directly to AT&T, and the company sent WTHR a very short, direct response. “That is not true,” Jim Greer, AT&T’s assistant vice president for communication, told 13News.

                                Dominion Voting Systems also called the allegations outright false. 

                        A company representative responded to 13News’ questions, asking that the media and public “reject the baseless rumors circulating on social media, which suggest without evidence that there was some election-related connection to the Nashville explosion.”

          13News also contacted the FBI and ATF, the two federal agencies that are investigating the Nashville explosion. While they have not yet responded, neither agency has given any indication that the bombing had anything to do with an election coverup.

                The FBI has identified 63-year-old Anthony Quinn Warner of Antioch, TN, as the lone suspect in the bombing. The computer technician died in the blast, and the FBI says “the motive for the incident is still unclear.”

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 12:59 a.m.
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Fact-check: Was the Nashville bombing an attempt to stop an AT&T audit of Dominion software?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/nashville-bombing-attempt-stop-audit-dominion-software/4079494001/

Facebook post: The Nashville bombing was an attempt to stop an AT&T audit into Dominion software and cover up election corruption.

PolitiFact’s ruling: Pants on Fire!

Here’s why: In the wake of the Christmas morning explosion in Nashville, Tenn., a baseless conspiracy theory started circulating online that claims Nashville’s downtown AT&T complex, which was damaged in the blast, had gotten a contract to conduct a "forensic audit" on Dominion Voting Systems machines. The post implies that the bombing was an attempt to stop the audit and cover up voter fraud.

"AT&T got a contract to do forensic audit on Dominion voting machines and those machines were being moved to Nashville this past week," one Dec. 27 post says. "So, the explosion ‘just happened’ to be at the AT&T location where they ‘just so happen’ to control the cooling system for the super computer and house the dominion voting machines and drives for forensic audit…"

"Wait, the bombing in Nashville was at the AT&T data center right after they got the contract to audit the Dominion voting machines?," one from Dec. 26 reads. "That’s an interesting coincidence."

But none of this is true. AT&T does not hold a contract to audit Dominion’s software or machines and did not have any of the company’s equipment in its Nashville building. 

The post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.) 

The FBI confirmed that a man named Anthony Warner was responsible for the bombing and was killed in the blast. The bomb was located in a recreational vehicle owned by Warner.

The explosion injured three other people and damaged businesses in downtown Nashville, including an AT&T switching center, which resulted in widespread communications outages. 

Law enforcement authorities have suggested that Warner may have been paranoid about 5G technology, a QAnon-related conspiracy theory that makes an array of unproven claims including that it helps spread COVID-19 and is used as a spying tool by the government. 

Spokespeople for both AT&T and Dominion have confirmed that AT&T did not hold a contract to audit Dominion, nor had any of Dominion’s equipment been moved to Nashville in preparation for such an audit.

Jim Greer, associate vice president for corporate communications at AT&T, was blunt in an email response to PolitiFact: "That is not true," he wrote.

Dominion representatives have also denounced the conspiracy theory, calling it another "bizarre lie" with "zero credibility." 

Some posts take the claim a step further, alleging that the former owner of the building was a board member of a firm that owns Dominion.

However, the firm cited in that version of the claim — Cerberus Capital Management — doesn’t own Dominion nor is it connected to Staple Street Capital, which acquired Dominion in 2018. 

A public relations firm told the Associated Press on behalf of Dominion that the company "has no connection to AT&T, the building, Nashville, family members of the Bidens or the Clintons, and Staple Street is not owned by Cerberus. These are conspiracies manufactured out of whole cloth."

In an email to PolitiFact, a Dominion spokesperson said the company and AT&T are calling on everyone to reject these baseless rumors: "Americans should continue to seek information from verifiable, trusted sources, such as law enforcement authorities."

By wglassfo - Dec. 31, 2020, 11:40 a.m.
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MM

A couple of questions that you might be able to answer

1: I would think a blast that size, if some sort of explosive like TNT or any such material would leave some thing like a hole under the RV parking spot. Would all the energy be directed else where except underneath the RV. I don't understand explosives but I think a directed blast in any direction requires expertise to avoid a hole under the RV. I have not read of any hole under the RV destroying the pavement

What kind of blast would not leave some sort of hole or crater under the RV??? Maybe there was a hole and I just missed that information


2:  I have not read of any explanation as to why the RV had different stripes one vs the other. Was this the same RV. The FBI says the vin number etc checks out , as does the human remains but the FBI has lied before so one wonders if the stripes, VIN and DNA has been verified by independent sources



By TimNew - Dec. 31, 2020, 12:15 p.m.
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Not MM,   but as I recall,  in explosions,  the vast majority of the force goes straight up unless otherwise shaped/directed.

I believe The "different Stripes" claim has been debunked.

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 1:01 p.m.
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Wayne,

Good questions, which have been prompted because a fraudulent source has tried to connect this event to nafarious activities outside of those of reality..........outside of the individual responsible.

Since the source has been busted with the 2 main elements of their conspiracy theory(It was a energy beam or missile and that it had something to do with the election/Dominion) I assume the rest of their info is a pile of doo doo. 

So the RV they show at this guys house was either photo shopped or else it was not his RV is the most likely explanation vs that the FBI is lying to us and the FBI used a different RV and this guys RV mysteriously vanished.


On the blast, this is interesting and there are numerous elements that would be at play. It is very possible, depending on the location of the blast above the ground and how hard the surface was(concrete) that not much of a crater would be left.

https://www.famaf.unc.edu.ar/~torres/trabajosparapublicacion/23-simposio_homenaje_al_dr_carlos_prato/23-simposio_homenaje_prato-01.pdf

Wayne,

I'm certain that the information at that link is of no use to you(or the rest of us) but mainly noted the tremendous uncertainty involved and these blast tests were controlled over bare soil surfaces or just above/and below the soils.

This blast was ABOVE ground and over a concrete surface. This means an impact crater would be smaller than over bare soil and the uncertainty is great enough that it includes the possibility of not much of a crater.


From the link above:

"The empirical equation (2) by Kinney and Graham (1985) cannot be applied for cases in which the energy release center is above of the ground level."

By GunterK - Dec. 31, 2020, 1:13 p.m.
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HI metmike,

I agree with your assessment of the Nashville incident. I also found the idea of Energy Weapons or missiles far-fetched. When you load up an RV with explosives, you don’t need fancy weaponry to explode them… a fuse and a lighter will do.

And from what we are now finding out, this incident had nothing to do with Dominion.

Somehow, this incident reminds of the Oklahoma bombing by McVeigh and Nichols (plus some other unidentified persons)

My personal focus was on the issue of differing stripes on two pictures of his RV. This has also been explained satisfactorily, with the upper stripe being a handrail that looks like a stripe under different lighting conditions.

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You also talked about the CA wildfires in this threat.. a subject of conspiracy theories promoted by the same unreliable website.

I have lived in CA for a long time, and I have seen plenty of wildfires, as well as what is left over after a wildfire….charred ground, charred trees with all their foliage gone.

I am also quite familiar with the sight of burning cities after a massive WW2 bombing raid. At that time, they used explosive and incendiary bombs. However, the most feared bomb was the phosphorus bomb. Firefighters were trained to not extinguish a phosphorus fire with water, because the heat was so intense it would split the water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen, making the fire worse (so I heard). During one of the last bombing raids of the war, the city of Dresden (in East Germany) was attacked with such bombs. The intense heat melted the asphalt on the streets.

Californians know, their wildfires are caused by lightening, downed power lines, and sometimes by arsonists or careless campers. No "conspiracy theories" needed for this

And as I said, we know what the aftermath looks like. The very vast majority of the CA wildfires of the recent past fit into the categories described above.

However, there were some isolated incidents, where we saw burned out cars at the side of the road, with the engine block molten into liquid metal. The liquid metal was flowing out from under the car, onto the street….while at the same time the surrounding area was lush green bushes and grass.

Normal wildfires don’t involve phosphorus devices. So, how can this be explained?

When wooden houses (as they are common in CA) burn down, afterwards there are usually some items still sticking up from the ground. Yet, we saw pictures of houses totally pulverized, while the trees and bushes surrounding it were untouched. How can this be explained?

No wonder then, that people think of other answers. Just because 99.9% of wildfires have natural causes, does not answer the questions about those other incidents.

I don't like the word “debunked” until somebody gives me a solid explantion of why a theory being nothing but a "conspiracy theory".

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 1:22 p.m.
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Thanks Gunter,

I already debunked the wildfire explanation in this thread. I'll pick it out for you:


a sinister view of the wildfires            

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                Started by GunterK - Sept. 16, 2020, 3:45 p.m.            

        https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/59199/#59383

Gunter: "There were cars, parked by the roadside, that were burned out with such intensive heat that their engine blocks liquified, with the molten metal flowing out from under the cars.... yet the bushes on the side of the road were untouched."


Oregon wildfires melt vehicles, blacken driveways

'The fire melted the motor right out of my truck — it drained down the driveway'

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/12/oregon-wildfires-melted-truck-cars/


A charred pickup truck sits among the ruins of the Coleman Creek Estates mobile home park in Phoenix, Ore., Thursday, Sept. 10, 2020. The area was destroyed when a wildfire swept through on Tuesday, Sept. 8.. (AP Photo/Gillian Flaccus)PHOENIX, OR - SEPTEMBER 10: A damaged home and car are seen in a mobile home park destroyed by fire on September 10, 2020 in Phoenix, Oregon. Hundreds of homes in the town have been lost due to wildfire. (Photo by David Ryder/Getty Images)A neighborhood destroyed by fire is seen as wildfires devastate the region, Friday, Sept. 11, 2020 in Talent, Ore. (AP Photo/Paula Bronstein)



https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/20/climate-arson-and-other-wildfire-nonsense/#comment-3088972

"Flames in average fires along the ground in managed forests might reach several feet in height and temperatures of 1,472° F (800° C), says Wildfire Today. But under conditions now found in western tinderboxes, flame heights can reach 165 feet (50 meters) or more, and crown fires can generate critter-roasting, soil-baking temperatures that exceed 2192 degrees F (1200 C). Wood bursts into flame at 572 F. Aluminum melts at 1220, silver at 1762, and gold at 1943 degrees F (1064 C)! 2192 degrees is hellish."


                                    


            

                

By metmike - Dec. 31, 2020, 1:27 p.m.
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BTW,.

We found out that a great number of these fires were set by arsonists, so if you hear that........it's not a conspiracy theory. 

What were their motives?

That would be leaving the realm of provable facts and entering into speculation land. 

By GunterK - Jan. 1, 2021, 1:41 p.m.
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Hi metmike

I understand that wildfires can turn into infernos that can melt aluminum alloys. However, some of the pictures that were questioned by some readers, show scenes like the one below.... molten metal, and no sign of a wildfire...

as well as houses along a street turned into ashes, while the trees surrounding and seperating the houses were untouched 

By metmike - Jan. 1, 2021, 3:01 p.m.
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Looks photo shopped to me Gunter.

Where did you get the picture from?

By GunterK - Jan. 1, 2021, 8:38 p.m.
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well... that's interesting, metmike... that you consider this image photo-shopped. When I first saw it, (quite a few months back), I never considered this possibility. 

You could be right. Nowadays, we simply cannot believe everything that is presented to us.

At the same token, we must then accept the fact that half the country does not believe that Biden won this election, without massive interference

By metmike - Jan. 1, 2021, 11:34 p.m.
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"half the country does not believe that Biden won this election, without massive interference"


Thanks Gunter,

Where is the actual evidence of massive election interference?

Also, where did you get the picture on the previous page from?