By GunterK - Oct. 31, 2020, 1:06 a.m.
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On Wednesday, Nancy Pelosi stated during a press briefing that it doesn't matter who wins the election on Nov 3. Biden will be the president.

In other words... the end of the USA as we know it?

By TimNew - Oct. 31, 2020, 6:50 a.m.
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No one is pulling out all the stops to stop vote counts. This is just one more, in an extremely long list, of liberal redefinitions/revisions.  

The law is pretty clear.  Votes must be cast by midnight of the election date, this year Nov 3.

Liberals are trying to use the virus once again to get that extended.  Trump is opposed and once again has the law on his side.  So far the attempt is successful in Pa, a valuable swing state. And if  Pa at first goes for Trump and then goes for Biden after additional "counts", it will be challenged by Trump, and I guarantee liberals will call it voter supression.  

I'm sure no liberal anywhere is salivating over the prospect of "We only lost that district by 2,000 votes.  I'm sure we can "find" 2,001 ballots somwhere".   Nothing like this has ever happened  in any election anywhere in the US,  Right?

Anyway, liberals are extending their redefinition of "Voter Suppression" to include this. The list already includes "Making sure the voter is a living citizen within the current district who has not already voted".

If JOJ is truly concerned about a constitutional crisis,  he'd do well to focus on the egrigious abuses concocted by his favored party. 

By joj - Oct. 31, 2020, 9:30 a.m.
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PA doesn't have to accept ballots more than 3 days after the election.  No one disputes that.  Of course you offer the straw man to argue with.  Good one!

The issue is that PA, and some other swing states don't BEGIN counting mail in ballots until Election Day.  And since Trump supporters generally don't where masks Trump will have the lead on election night in PA.  So when Trump declares victory BEFORE the legal ballots have been counted I know I can depend on Tim New to defend the republic and patiently wait for all the votes to be counted and not slobber all over the lies that Trump will tell.  

Florida and North Carolina, on the other hand, will have already counted the mail in ballots prior to Election Day and we will likely have a good idea about those results.

I'm curious.  Does Fox News even report this information to you?

And did you even read the link from the Economist that I posted?

Can we at least agree on the need in a democracy to count ALL the legal votes?  Or is it too painful to go against your hero the Liar in chief? 

By mcfarm - Oct. 31, 2020, 9:50 a.m.
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Maybe got bad info but I thought the supremes butted in and ruled day 3 votes thru day 9 late were to be put aside until later. In the case of a wide margin would not matter. Remember Roberts the conservative that was gong to rule against ever lib cause the next 50 years just like our newest member they claim.

PS also those ballot show no signature match and no post mark...not that dems would cheat like that

By metmike - Oct. 31, 2020, 10:59 a.m.
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Previous discussion on this:

This actually is a wonderful topic to discuss more, especially right now, when uncertainty is at an historic high regarding the results of the upcoming election.

By TimNew - Oct. 31, 2020, 2:12 p.m.
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What's with  the universal liberal fixation on Fox News?   They seem to feel they win any debate by claiming that  their opponent watches Fox News.  It's a fascinating aspect of the pathology unique to the liberal mindset.  BTW, not that I matters, but  I rarely watch Fox.  However, I'm curious.  If I were to insist you watch CNN, which IMO has far less credibility than FOX,  would you feel I had automagically won the debate?>   Well,  now you know how it looks.

As far as your "Liar in Chief " comment,   if you were really concerned with honesty you could not possibly support Biden,  so save it for someone who doesn't know better.

Now on to the rest of your schpiel.  

No,  I did not read your article beyond the 1st paragraph because it asked for a registration requiring email and I already get too much spam.   I was responding to your one line comment

And there is no doubt that liberals are attempting to redifine voter suppression.  Stacy Abrams is the bull leading that charge and you are a happy member of the pack.   But insisting on things like voter id and other means to ensure that valid voters are casting vaiid votes are no more suppression than insisting on ID for any of the other millions of transactions requiring ID.  Its a  dishonest charge and raises questions about the motivation and intent of the lying liars who issue that lie.  Also, there are valid, and previously accepted reasons for election deadlines.

Finally,  recent memory recalls a few elections where ballots were magically located after the fact, miraculously tranforming the results and for some gosh darn odd reason, it always seems to favor the democrat. Add in districts that have 110% voter turn out, once again all magically favoring the dem candidate and you may start to understand why some might be a little suspicious and prefer to proceed with extreme caution.   But..  probably not.

By joj - Oct. 31, 2020, 11:36 p.m.
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Voter suppression?  Who said anything about voter suppression?  But yes, it is the Republican playbook favorite.  You shouldn't have travel countless miles in an urban setting to vote.  It is antidemocratic. 

Just count the legal votes.

By metmike - Nov. 1, 2020, 12:20 a.m.
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UPDATED Oct. 31, 2020, at 12:25 PM

When To Expect Election Results In Every State

A complete guide to poll closing times, vote counting and races to watch on election night 2020

"There’s a good chance we won’t know who won the presidential election on election night. More people than ever are voting by mail this year due to the pandemic, and mail ballots take longer to count than ballots cast at polling places. But because each state has its own rules for how votes are counted and reported, some will report results sooner than others. Those disparate rules may also make initial returns misleading: The margins in some states may shift toward Democrats as mail ballots (which are overwhelmingly cast by Democrats) are counted, while states that release mail ballots first may experience a shift toward Republicans as Election Day votes are tallied.

Here’s a general picture of how much of the vote we expect to be counted on election night in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. If you click on a given state, it’ll take you to a more detailed description of when to expect results and whether to expect a red or blue shift in the vote count.

The upshot for the presidential race is that we should have a pretty good idea of where things are headed on election night, even if no candidate is able to clinch 270 electoral votes (which is the threshold required to win) until later in the week. We should get near-complete results in Florida in a matter of hours; Arizona and North Carolina will release the vast majority of their ballots very quickly, although if the race is too close to call they may not provide a final answer for days. Georgia and Texas should tally most ballots on Nov. 3, but counting may stretch into Wednesday or Thursday. We should know the winner in Wisconsin by Wednesday morning; Michigan and Pennsylvania, by contrast, will probably take until the end of the week.

Of course, there are a lot more races on the ballot than just the presidential contest, so read on to get a more detailed picture of every state. One last caveat before you dive in: These are just our best guesses based on what we know right now. Things can always go sideways thanks to human error or technological failures. And, of course, even the fastest-counting state may leave a race uncalled for days if the margin is close enough."

By metmike - Nov. 1, 2020, 12:53 a.m.
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"Just count the legal votes."

Sounds pretty bad it won't be because of the massive disparity in each states laws regarding counting the mail in voting.

Some that are pretty crazy below. I copied 12 of the states with the biggest potential delays and bad rules for getting prompt final results.........really bad rules.  



Timing of results

Get ready to wait. Election Day votes and early votes cast by Oct. 29 should be counted on election night, but the remainder of the early vote, as well as all absentee votes, won’t even begin to be counted until Nov. 10. With so many people voting absentee, it will probably take a week or two to declare winners here. Counting should be complete by Nov. 18.



District of Columbia

Timing of results

It’s going to take a while. The District is mailing ballots to all voters for the first time this year, and the ones that are mailed back can arrive at election offices as late as Nov. 13 (as long as they’re postmarked by Election Day). While some mail and in-person vote totals will be released on election night, officials say they will still be counting for weeks after.



Timing of results

Complete results will take more than a week. A monthlong head start in processing absentee ballots should help make sure a greater share of the results will be known on election night than were initially released in the snail’s-pace primary — but absentee ballots aren’t due until Nov. 13, so the state will continue to count and update the vote totals for at least 10 days after Election Day.



Timing of results

It’s going to take a few days. The earliest absentee ballots can be processed is Nov. 2, which likely does not leave enough time to count them all by election night. The secretary of state estimates that it could take until Friday, Nov. 6, for all ballots to be counted and a winner to be declared.



Timing of results

Hard to say. Nevada is one of a handful of states that is mailing a ballot to every active registered voter for the first time, and it is only requiring that ballots be mailed back by Nov. 3, not received by then. In other states, that’s been a recipe for slow results; indeed, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state told Politico not to wait up for a call on election night. However, the ability to count mail ballots early has put Clark County (home to 71 percent of the state’s voters) in position to report tallies of in-person votes and any mail ballots received by Nov. 2 on election night. If that happens, we might get most results on election night, though we’ll still have to wait until at least Nov. 10, when the state stops accepting mailed ballots, for full results.


New Jersey

Timing of results

It’s going to take weeks. While counties should release the first tranche of mail ballots on election night, they are allowed to stop counting at 11 p.m. Eastern and pick up again at 9 a.m. the following day. The state will continue counting mail ballots through at least Nov. 10, the deadline by which properly postmarked ballots must be received. Only then will they begin to count in-person votes, which in New Jersey will all be provisional ballots — meaning they must be checked to make sure the voter is eligible (i.e., didn’t already vote by mail) before they can be counted. With a healthy proportion of New Jerseyans expected to vote in person, we might not be able to call any competitive races until these ballots are counted. The ultimate deadline for counties to certify results is Nov. 20.


New York

Timing of results

Get ready to wait. While in-person votes (both those cast early and on Election Day) should be released on election night, the state will not even begin to count absentee ballots until Nov. 6. And that process can be time-consuming: Each absentee must be double-checked to ensure that its voter did not also vote in person. We could be in for a repeat of the June primary, when it took several weeks to get final results: The statutory deadline for certifying results is Nov. 28, but the New York City Board of Elections says it may not be done counting until Dec. 8-15.


North Carolina

Timing of results

Initial results will come very fast, but the rest will take time. Election officials estimate that up to 80 percent of the total vote could be announced right after polls close at 7:30 p.m., including in-person early votes and all mail ballots received by Nov. 2. Election Day returns will then trickle out over the course of the next several hours (those results are expected to take longer than usual because equipment must be sanitized after polling places close). However, North Carolina counts absentee ballots that arrive as late as Nov. 12, so there will definitely be some counting for at least nine days after Election Day. The question is whether there will be enough late-arriving ballots to keep any races uncalled.



Timing of results

Most results will be announced quickly, but we’ll have to wait for the rest. By 8 p.m. Eastern, each county is required to announce the results of all absentee ballots (including early in-person votes) that were received by Election Day. Results from Election Day polling places will then follow throughout the night. However, Ohio also counts absentee ballots that arrive by mail until Nov. 13 — but counties will not announce those results until their official canvasses on Nov. 14-18 (interim results will not be reported). That said, counties will report the number of outstanding absentee ballots late on election night, so we will know whether there are enough ballots remaining to affect the winner of the election.



Timing of results

It’ll be slow going. Although around half of Pennsylvanians are expected to vote absentee, those ballots can’t start being processed until 7 a.m. on Nov. 3. Simply put, that’s not enough time for many counties to count them all before the day is over. (For example, Bucks County plans to count ballots 24 hours a day and still doesn’t expect to be done until the end of the week.) Some places aren’t even going to try; Cumberland and Erie counties, for instance, say they won’t count absentee ballots until they’re done with Election Day votes, which could be as late as Wednesday morning. And even counties that manage to count all the ballots in their possession on election night will have to wait until Nov. 6 — the deadline for most mail ballots to arrive — to consider their results complete. Overall, election officials estimate that “the overwhelming majority” of votes will be counted by Friday. That said, don’t rule out an even longer wait. During the June primary, about half of counties were still counting a week after the election. No matter what, we’ll definitely know the outcome by Nov. 23 — the deadline for counties to stop counting.



Timing of results

Get comfortable; it’ll be a while. Even under normal circumstances, Utah is one of the states where we have to wait the longest to get results (in 2018, the 4th District race dragged on for two weeks). That’s because counties accept (properly postmarked) mail ballots that arrive at any time before the county canvass, which can be as long as two weeks after Election Day. Therefore, don’t expect complete results here until at least Nov. 17.



Timing of results

Get ready to wait. Even before the pandemic, we’ve become accustomed to delayed results in this vote-by-mail state where ballots are allowed to arrive as late as Nov. 23. We’ll get a few initial vote dumps on election night itself, but the many ballots that arrive on Nov. 3 or later will not be counted until later. After Election Day, counties must release updated vote totals at the end of each day.


By metmike - Nov. 1, 2020, 1:32 a.m.
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With regards to trusting the results.

We should keep in mind that we have witnessed decades of them hijacking climate science and even rewriting climate history to perpetrate their climate crisis hoax, during this climate optimum for life to accomplish their political agenda.

Then we saw the massive Mueller, 2.5 year corrupt , Trump/Russia investigation hoax for their political agenda.

Then we saw them impeach President Trump because he tried to have the Biden corruption investigated, with lies from Adam Schiff for the political agenda.

They clearly will do anything............ANYTHING, because the end justifies the means when it comes to their political agenda. Truth, integrity and ethical behavior mean ZERO when an important political objective is at stake.

Nancy Pelosi states that "the world as we know it is at stake in this election"

She, Clinton and others have stated that Biden should not accept a loss, no matter what.

But we should trust that they will not try anything dishonest when it comes to the most important election in our life time based on?

Certainly not based on past behavior. 

Based on past behavior and common sense/critical thinking, we should assume that they will try to do everything possible, including cheating, lying and breaking laws to help defeat Trump.

So we should be suspicious and scrutinize the system  ..............and make it prove that it has not been manipulated by corruption, like so many other things that have political rewards, similar to the irrefutable examples of it above. 

This is not being unreasonable or believing in conspiracy theories. 

It means not being naive.

It doesn't mean that Trump losing is an indication that there was manipulation or corruption. A Trump loss with no indication of voter fraud is a legit Trump loss. 

Even if Trump claims voter fraud caused his loss, there MUST be substantive evidence of it.

In the absence of that...........Trump can whine all he wants, while the rest of the world, including every Republican in office, will move forward/proceed to do what happens every 4 years after the results of the latest presidential election are known.

By metmike - Nov. 2, 2020, 8:04 p.m.
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Dead people caught voting in NYC, elections records show

By Carl Campanile


November 2, 2020 | 7:34pm

"Records show that the elections board received an absentee ballot from a Frances Reckhow of Staten Island, a registered Democrat.

The BOE mailed an absentee ballot requested by Frances M. Reckhow of Bedell Avenue on Sept. 24.

Reckhow supposedly mailed the ballot back on Oct. 6 and the BOE received it and declared it valid on Oct. 8, tracking records show.

But there’s a problem: Frances Reckhow, who was born on July 6, 1915 and would be 105 today, died in 2012, according to an obituary filed with The Staten Advance."

An absentee ballot was also mailed from a Gertrude Nizzere, also a registered Democrat, who was born on Feb. 7, 1919 and would be 101 today.

The BOE said someone identifying as Gertrude Nizzere, with an address of Shore Road in Brooklyn, requested an absentee ballot in September..

Records show the Nizzere ballot was mailed on Oct. 9 and it was received back by the BOE on Oct.13, which declared the ballot valid on Oct. 25.

But after further review, the agency on Oct. 30 declared the Nizzere ballot received “Invalid” because a search found the voter was “Deceased,” its records show.

The Staten Island Republican Party, which is closely scrutinizing the absentee ballots, flagged the two records to The Post and is demanding a probe by the police and Staten Island District Attorney Michael McMahon’s office.

“People should be on the alert for dead people voting. There are people using the names of dead voters to cast ballots,” said Staten Island GOP chairman Brendan Lantry.

“I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg,” said Landry."

metmike: Probably the voter fraud does not affect enough ballets to change the outcome of most to almost all the elections. We don't know that for sure.........only that many people will CONTINUE to try whatever tricks that they can, including voter fraud to try to win elections for their candidate.

By metmike - Nov. 2, 2020, 8:06 p.m.
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A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States


The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted.  It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.  In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, fraud can have an impact in close elections, and we have many close elections in this country. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process.  Reforms intended to ensure such integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote.  Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote. 



A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States


The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted.  It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.  In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, fraud can have an impact in close elections, and we have many close elections in this country. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process.  Reforms intended to ensure such integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote.  Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote. 



Proven instances of voter fraud



Criminal convictions



Civil penalties



Diversion program



Judicial finding



Official finding


          Search the Database    

By metmike - Nov. 2, 2020, 8:10 p.m.
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By TimNew - Nov. 3, 2020, 5:10 a.m.
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My grandfather voted republican in every election till he died, and has voted straight dem ever since.

An old joke,  nearly reaching cliche' status.  Is there a reason for that?

Has anyone ever heard of a ballot cast by a dead person for a pub candidate? In the many examples,  I can't recall a single one.  And you know, they don't xref voting eligibility with death notices. So, to identify these invalid ballots   every single one has to be cross checked.  How long do you suppose that would take?

Of course we know, according to every lib ever born..   There has never been legitimate proof of wide spread voter fraud.    But the thing is,   after the fact,  it's pretty tough, not to mention extremely time consuming, to prove. Voter id would help,  but we know how every lib ever born feels about voter id.  However,  I think most people would be at least a little suspicious of districts voting at 100+ percent of their voter rolls,  with all, or vast majority,  for dems.