Police Reform
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Started by joj - July 18, 2020, 8:24 a.m.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/opinion/police-funding-defund.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Why  progressives chose the battle cry "defund the police" I'll never know.  It's obviously a non starter.

Here is a career black cop's view of things.

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By metmike - July 19, 2020, 2:07 a.m.
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joj, 

I've been unable to open that article. Can you copy some of it please.



By metmike - July 19, 2020, 2:09 a.m.
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Opinion: I was the mayor of Cincinnati when we reformed our police department following racial unrest — and crime has since tumbled


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-was-the-mayor-of-cincinnati-when-we-reformed-our-police-department-following-racial-unrest-and-crime-has-since-tumbled-2020-07-09?mod=home-page


Three components

 

The Cincinnati Collaborative Agreement included three main components. The first changed the policies for police use of force and put an emphasis on training officers in de-escalation tactics. Tasers were introduced to decrease the reliance on the use of batons and other physical force, resulting in fewer injuries to suspects as well as police officers. Officers also were trained to understand and identify inherent racial bias. 

      

The second component focused on transparency of police conduct to ensure accountability. The Citizens Complaint Authority (CCA) was established and given concurrent jurisdiction over allegations of serious police misconduct. The subsequent use of body cameras has further contributed to increased transparency of police action.

        

      

As part of the third component, bias-free and community-based policing were enacted with the goal of reducing crime and building trust in the community. This approach, through the Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (CIRV), de-emphasized over-policing of low-level offenses in order to focus on a small number of violent offenders.

      

Since the introduction of the Collaborative Agreement, total arrests in Cincinnati are down more than 50%, from 47,188 in 2000 to 21,487 in 2019. With the CIRV in place, the most serious crimes (those against people or involving violence) are down 36%. This was all done without a significant increase to the size of the police department or impact to the city’s budget. And the city has maintained generous funding across other services like mental health services, affordable housing and social services while still supporting the Collaborative Agreement programs (including the CCA and CIRV). 

By mcfarm - July 19, 2020, 10:17 a.m.
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So we are trying to have a county fair with restrictions. Late last nite 150 or so blacks tried to storm the gate, then riots, then gun fire. How would police reform help. Many mayors have ordered police stand downs. Like the hood  does not know the right time to rob, burn, loot. During a stand down may be a good time. Sound so much like the time Obama announced what day our troops would leave the battle field. With stupidity like this why aren't things just going to get worse?

By metmike - July 19, 2020, 2:56 p.m.
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mccfarm,

What county was this?

By mcfarm - July 19, 2020, 3:17 p.m.
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marion, where by the way most of the restaurants, hotels, shopping area etc are still boarded up form previous riots. Our democratic lib mayor ordered the police to stand down the first night of protests and I can honestly say I do no think downtown will ever be the same. We had the best convention business of most any city. Super bowl. NCAA championships. The largest was the National FAA convetion...which believe it or not cost the city not 1 penny in security..unlike most every other event........who would want to venture downtown now. Shootings every single nite. We are the rival of Chicago and Detroit for the biggest mess in the land.

By metmike - July 19, 2020, 6 p.m.
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Wow mcfarm!

That's just crazy.

Here we have a pandemic and most country fairs being cancelled in Indiana because of the threat of it spreading with so many people close to each other-not as close together as protests though(ours in Vanderburgh Co was cancelled for that reason) and the one in Marion County is cancelled.............because of violence!


I noticed from pictures that alot of people were not wearing masks there.


Marion county is Indianapolis for those not familiar. It's also the where the highest number of COVID cases are in Indiana.


Officials cancel last day of Marion County Fair after shooting, fights

https://fox59.com/news/crimetracker/shooting-at-marion-county-fair-under-police-investigation-after-chaotic-melee-breaks-out/

Marion County Fair shooting: Final day of the fair canceled

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2020/07/19/marion-county-fair-shooting-final-day-fair-canceled/5467667002/

By mcfarm - July 19, 2020, 7:31 p.m.
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crazy is hardly the word I would use MM. What did Dennis Rodman say? People we are not F'n animals. I would of corralled every one of those kids and hauled their ass straight to jail. Then waited on the parents to explain where they were when their kids turned to animals. Only 1 reason and 1 reason alone they were not arrested. More screaming of racism by cops and a lib mayor hiding under his desk. Where are these kids tonite. Another part of town doing the exact same thing. 





By metmike - July 19, 2020, 9:10 p.m.
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So here are the COVID stats for Indiana.

Look at the first map below and note some very significant reasons for why it was insane for Marion County to have their fair this past week.

1. Marion county is the county in the center of the screen. It's easy to identify because its the only one in bright red there. 

2. This is Indianapolis and the biggest city/urban area in Indiana, so we would expect the COVID to be worse there than anywhere else.

3. Not only is it the worst by far in Marion County, this 1 county has 25% of the IN cases of 56,501 and more than 25% of the  2,803 deaths of the 92 total counties in Indiana............just 1 county=25%. the other 91 counties=75%.

4. Most of the other counties in Indiana, all of them with a much lower rate of COVID cancelled their fairs because of COVID.

5. Pictures show a massive amount of people NOT wearing masks. 1 picture from the 2nd link with dozens of people, show almost none of them wearing a mask.

6. Nobody is practicing social distancing. There were many, many  thousands of people at this event. This would be completely impossible in that environment.

7. What were the people that gave the ok for this week long event thinking?......ok, protesting is worse than this because of such massive numbers around the country(maybe 500-1,000 times more people overall)but at least most of the protesters wear masks. How would masks not be mandatory?

8. This ranks up there almost as bad as Trumps rally in OK. His rally was just a few hours on 1 night in a county with much, much LESS COVID. This went on in Marion CO every night for 6 days in the county with the highest COVID of 92 counties in IN.........by far. 






These are the state stats for Indiana below.


New daily positives with the much higher rate of testing and opening up.............and widespread protesting with no social distancing have been going up the last 3 weeks.   Possibly, over half of this is from the increase in testing. Some is surely from opening up and poor habits/lack of precautions and some from the protests.

Deaths may be or soon be  going higher by a bit. 

Find this data here: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Daily new infection cases in zig zag blue below. Cumulative new cases in orange on graph 1.

On graph 2, deaths in zig zag purple. Totals deaths in red.