I want to ask someone here who really understands and follows the scientific method {I know {wxdavid th perfect candidate} to explain exactly how this damn virus knows how to not attack those that riot, loot, burn and murder and yet any normal activity such as celebrating the 4th of July is somehow automatically a zone the virus rushes to immediately.
Case in point just look what the fool and chief panderer Deblasio announced today
I think the virus has mutated and developed AI
mcfarm,
We discussed this at length yesterday and previously ad nauseum.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/55454/
It's ok if you want to bring it up again but please don't do it in a way that will trigger wxdavid.
If you keep doing it to see if you can get him to react and get banned...............and he doesn't react, you will be the one getting the next warning.
This is not a warning, just advice from a friend.
Mike
I understand. But its my belief that if do not confront people like Bernie,
Aoc, and Wxdavid they will never have an opportunity to even see the other side of an argument/debate much less even consider letting the other side have an opinion that is different than theirs. Just my 2 cents.
Why provoke a non productive argument where only bad things can be thought and stated?
Make good points and bring up any subject you want with any opinions that you have but try not to provoke or make it personal with people that disagree.
Use authentic facts/data with sources if possible and (this one is impossible, I know) try to understand where the other person might be coming from.
Mcfarm
I am not a socialist. I don't support Bernie Sanders
in fact I loathe him because I think he is the left-wing version of Donald Trump. In particular I think his supporters have a cult following which is identical to the irrational cult following of trump supporters like you. You can't convince Bernie Sanders voters that he lost because he got less votes in 2016. Every one of them things and say Mass conspiracy. It's the same thing with Trump voters
I have been a conservative for many years. I voted for Reagan twice.... I voted for Bush 41.... I work for and voted for Ross Perot twice. I voted for McCain in 208. on my Facebook page and other forms I am known as a capitalist because I know that capitalism has created more wealth and more stability around the planet than any time throughout history. Is the fastest way for people to get out of poverty.
Knowing nothing about me you three times now it's smeared me directly. You have accuse me of Defending rapist killers and Rioters without any proof of any kind.
And you have called me a left-wing socialist without any proof. at first I wondered if you really were this stupid or perhaps if there was a mental issue with you.
Then it occurred to me that your definition of a socialist is anybody who doesn't agree with Trump. And Upon that realization, I deduced that you really are a moron
after reading your post wx is was rather easy to logically identify you with the crazy left. If what say is true you have a split personality and I apologize. if what you say is true you would agree with many /Trump policies as I do but dislike is personality...never once have I seen that side of you. Trump has actually put forth many a policy conservatives have been begging for. Boarder enforcement, strong stand against China, strong national defense, judges who do not make up law etc etc and yet I have yet to see a single post from you acknowledging Trump has done one thing correctly. Many reasons I could site but you should get the drift. So again if what you printed about your beliefs is true why not state them and defend them and America instead of all the hate?
PS by the way the answer you gave with all the facts that support why of all people, Tucker Carlson, is a bigot is not acceptable. Put up the facts of retract the statement....one or the other....because anyone who has ever had any contact with Carlson already knows the truth
First of all not sure I agree with you about standing strong against China. I think he caved in the China during the virus and said a lot of great things about China and how they were handling the virus when in fact they were lying and covering up.
My main problem is mr. Trump is is that I think he is mentally ill and Disturbed on several different levels. I think he is incredibly unfit to be president of the United States. I don't think he' has ever even read one paragraph of the Constitution at least before he became president.
Take for example his handling of the virus.
If you agree with the argument and the premise that we cannot stay shut down forever with the economy then LOGIC stay you or I would do everything we can to contain the virus?
Trump has done he exact opposite.
In many Many it is almost as if trump is doing everything Possible so that the virus becomes
much worse in the USA than any other place on earth
He hasn't supported the states with financial aid and medical assistance.
He has consistently asked demanded and strongly suggested that states open up much sooner than they should which has caused coronavirus cases to explode.
The only policy that is PROVEN to stops the virus and contain it -- we have seen n Japan and South Korea New Zealand Australia France Italy Germany Spain Hong Kong
That policy is to make mask wearing Mandatory inside.
From February 1st to March 15th Trump said so many things that were false misleading and dangerous about the virus that we have a significant percentage of the population ….all of which are hardcore Trump supporters ,,,,who will not wear masks and who will not shelter at home. Outside of one or two stupid and irrelevant things he did with travel and China he has done nothing correctly with regard to this virus.
The key point is that anybody with any Common Sense would know that if keeping the economy strong is the way to get reelected …. why would you engage in policies and say things to ensure that people did not wear masks as much as they should which in turn increases the virus which in turn stops the economy from growing?
The reasoning the policies the decisions made by Donald Trump are irrational deranged crazy bigoted and dangerous.
I think his rise to power... that is to say how he became a political figure ...was pushing a conspiracy and racist Theory against Barack Obama. Which again in my opinion is proof that he is a bigot. Believe me if there was a regular conservative running in place of trump I would be supporting regular conservative.
Another key difference amongst us is that my family my ancestors fought for the union. I am a 7th generation American -my family goes back to 1800 in this country. I despise the Confederacy and everything it stands for. And I know exactly what it stands for. Seeing people wave the Confederate flag or display the Confederate flag fills me with a sense of rage and makes me want to go to war all over again. And I full well known that the Democrats back in the 1800s where the party of the Southend Revolution and Rebellion. And it was the Republican party that was originally the anti slavery party. But that is clearly reversed itself now. There are huge numbers of trump conservatives Republicans who wave the Confederate flag as an act of defiance.
also I am a Navy Veteran --- 8 years in Naval Intell
Thanks Dave, some good thoughts without insulting anybody except Trump.
You continue to insist that he is a bigot. There is no evidence of that other than twisted interpretations of his words.
I have a huge, wonderful extended family of African Americans, including my grandkids(and actively supported civil rights my entire life). I have looked over Trumps words and actions with regards to race, scrutinizing every event and statement that claims to be proof of him being a racist but can find none.
Maybe you know something that I don't. If I thought Trump was a bigot I would never vote for him...........NEVER!
I am well aware of Trumps many, many personality and character flaws...........being mean, divisive and lacking tact. Mistating a zillion facts and so on, so I am not in denial.
If you show me something legit that proves that he's a bigot/racist, I will re evaluate my position on that.
On the actions of opening up too soon in the some states. You are aware that each state makes its own decisions on all of that, not President Trump(being a Constitutionalist-surely you know this). If you remember, he criticized Georgia for opening too soon.
I get that he has done a horrible job in not pushing masks more(though again, each state and community makes their own rules) and his OK rally was very, very bad judgment and that he WANTS to re open to get the economy back on track, which is happening but you are blaming decisions that he had nothing to do with on him.
Every Trump hater will see this as me being a Trump apologist but I just stick with the facts. Plenty of things to bash Trump over that I agree with entirely.
“I think it’s too soon,” said the president, who joined several mayors in questioning Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, who had said some businesses could resume on Friday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/trump-georgia-governor-kemp-coronavirus.html
first of all you just psychco- analyzed someone from 1000 miles away without any personal contact. OOOPs. Second "trump never helped states" what? Just take NY alone. Just one state and you easily come to millions with the outfitted ship he sent , the thousands of extra ventalators the Cuomo lied about needing and the extra securty/ guard sent to NY. wxdavid please!
And yes if you had not noticed I believe the kids should be in school where even the cdc has now said they are safer than home and I believe much of this shut down was over done and the wrong people were quarantined.
Still waiting on the sordid Tucker Carlson evidence so just retract the statement and we can start over.
Is this where you got your meteorology training?
New daily positives with the much higher rate of testing and opening up.............and widespread protesting with no social distancing have been going up the last 3 weeks. Possibly, over half of this is from the increase in testing. Some is surely from opening up and poor habits/lack of precautions and some from the protests.
Deaths had been going down steadily for 2 months but could be turning higher soon. The next 2 weeks will tell us a great deal(the time lag between testing positive and dying in many cases).
Find this data here: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
Daily new infection cases in zig zag blue below. Cumulative new cases in orange on graph 1.
On graph 2, deaths in zig zag purple. Totals deaths in red.
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"He hasn't supported the states with financial aid and medical assistance."
"This additional funding secured from Congress by President Trump will help healthcare providers prepare for and treat patients with COVID-19. By supporting coordination among different healthcare facilities across a region, HHS is helping communities care for COVID-19 patients while also addressing day-to-day medical needs.”
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As you know Dave, it's Congress that appropriates ALL the money and funding for this and President Trump just signs bills..........he doesn't write them.
So the trillions in assistance to help Americans below, though he likes to take credit for it........came from Congress.
If you are unhappy with the financial aid and medical assistance that came from Congress................blame Congress.
Did they come up with a bill for more aid that didn't get distributed because the President refused to sign?