President Trump-ISIS leader al-Baghdadi dead after US military raid in Syria
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Started by metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 9:46 a.m.

"Trump said he was able to watch most of the operation as it happened.

"Al-Baghdadi was vicious and violent and he died in a vicious and violent way. As a coward running and crying," Trump said. "This raid was impeccable and could only have taken place with the acknowledgment and help of certain other nations and people. I want to thank the nations of Russia, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq and I also want to thank the Syrian kurds for certain support they were able to give us."

The ISIS leader was last seen alive in a video in April.

There had been a $25 million U.S. bounty on the head of al-Baghdadi, who, in his only previous video, recorded in a Mosul mosque in 2014, called himself "Caliph," or leader of all Muslims."

By TimNew - Oct. 27, 2019, 12:04 p.m.
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This is a great day for the US Military and Trump,   but I really wish he stay away from phrases like "As a coward running and crying".  The announcement really didn't need that bit of editorial.

I was telling the wife,  if he would just shut the hell up,  Trump could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history.

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 12:15 p.m.
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And here is how CNN applies a negatives spin and tries to give somebody other than Trump the credit:

12 min ago

Senior US national security official: A "spike in attempts at high profile attacks" following death of Baghdadi likely

13 min ago

Iraq says its intelligence service located ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Iraq's National Intelligence Service successfully pinpointed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's location before the US military raid that killed him, Iraq's defense ministry said in a statement. 

A special task force within the country's intelligence service worked for more than a year, finally tracking the ISIS leader inside Syria. The statement also says the US raid was carried out in coordination with Iraqi intelligence services. 

"After a continuous follow-up and the formation of a specialized task force team and over an entire year, the Iraqi National Intelligence Service acting on accurate information was able to locate the den in which the head of Daesh terrorists Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his associates were hiding in the Syrian province of Idlib," the statement said. 

metmike: While all this may be true, note the headlines, which are supposed to emphasize the most important point in the article.

The saddest  thing about people's reaction to this is that the event doesn't even matter.

If you look at messages on social media and below the articles like the first one at the top page above, it's just thousands of polarized..........hate Trumps guts or love Trump messages and reactions to the hate Trump and love Trump messages with hate for the Trump lovers and hate for the Trump haters. 

By mcfarm - Oct. 27, 2019, 1:06 p.m.
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don't know Tim. Often times Trump does not have to editorialize. But much like binladen many of these terrorist do die hiding behind women and children crying and screaming for life. Do not think it is such an awful thing to tell the unvarnished truth about these radical muslims who want to bury Israel, America and anybody attached those countries. Maybe had we told the truth even before 9-11 the world would be far better place. But no we had to listen to all the "experts" who warned and warned not to do so we do not cause any more to become angry. Pssst, yes that worked really well nearly 2 decades later and trillions wasted.

By TimNew - Oct. 27, 2019, 1:41 p.m.
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The coverage of this is starkly different than the coverage Obama got for Osama bin Laden who ironically was found using the discredited intelligence gathering methods employed during the Bush II admin.  As I recalled,  Obama used words like "I" and "WE" an awful lot.  To hear him,  he single handedly found and shot Osama all by himself.  And of course, the press hailed him as an indisputable hero.

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 2:11 p.m.
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"Trump left top Democrats in the dark about al-Baghdadi raid"

"The House must be briefed on this raid, which the Russians but not top Congressional Leadership were notified of in advance," Pelosi said."

metmike:  Pelosi and the dems are doing everything in their power to destroy Trump and block everything he does. Nobody can dispute that. They are putting that objective way, way ahead of anything else............even to the point of lying and hurting the American people and best interest of everybody.

They've tried to block everything on the southern border, including a wonderful deal that Trump worked out with Mexico, after threatening them with tarriffs, which went into effect too fast for the dems to block it, which they would have a couple of days later.

So Trump knows he's got this guy nailed. Why would he risk messing it up by sharing it with those that would try to find a dumb political reason to mess it up because it will make Trump look good?

That sounds cynical but its just based on the actions of the dems. 

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 2:15 p.m.
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So I read the story after making the comment and that was it.

They will do everything to steal a victory away from Trump and turn it into a bunch of things that he did wrong, said wrong, should have done and what bad might come out of it. 

"President Donald Trump said he did not give many congressional leaders advanced notice of the raid that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Saturday because he was afraid of "leaks," he told reporters at a Sunday news conference.

"We notified some, others are being notified now as I speak," Trump said. "We were going to notify them last night but we decided not to do that because Washington leaks like nothing I've ever seen before. There has no country in the world that leaks like we do. Washington is a leaking machine."

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 4:07 p.m.
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Breaking news from CNN: The 41 most shocking lines from Donald Trump's Baghdadi announcement

metmike: Otherwise known as 3 dozen new reasons for you to hate Trump as much as we do and to make sure that you don't see this as an accomplishment.

This article actually is a wonderful opportunity for us to get a good look into the mind of a typical progressive activist journalist that hates Trumps guts and have rejected their obligation to report objective, professional, authentic news as they take each sentence of every statement that Trump makes and look for ways to spin it negatively.

Based on 41 negatives to 0 positives in this article, one would think that Trump had just committed another high crime, impeachable offense instead of killing an ISIS leader that had a $25,000,000 bounty on his head and was the most wanted, evil criminal in the world.

If one didn't know anything except what's in the article, we might think that Trump was actually the bad guy, not Baghdadi!

The ironic thing about this style of reporting is that the thing that is closest to Trumps penchant for exaggerating and spinning.............comes from the same ones condemning him for using the same style of exaggerating and spinning.

He does it to make himself look good. They do it to make him look bad and to get you and me to hate him like they do.

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 5:04 p.m.
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2020 Democrats mostly refrain from crediting Trump in Baghdadi's death(some use the opportunity to criticize him)

metmike: It's been said, half jokingly that if Trump found a cure for cancer, they would criticize him for putting doctors out of work.

Instead, we can say now that when Trump killed the most wanted man on the planet, the leader of ISIS, they criticized him. 

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 5:42 p.m.
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I really wish he stay away from phrases like "As a coward running and crying".  The announcement really didn't need that bit of editorial.""

Agree tim!

Trumps use of language is appalling, here and in other places. He lacks tact, is blunt/crude and exaggerates. He is the opposite of a polished politician that gets to high places by using their ability to communicate to impress people.

There was absolutely nothing new about HOW President Trump communicated this morning. It's the same way that he has communicated most things, other than when he's on a script, for 3 years. It's very revealing about his personality and character of course. 

But there was something PROFOUNDLY NEW about the WHAT that he was communicating today. The WHAT was an historic event.............killing of the leader of ISIS. This day was huge historically. 

But for Trumps role,  the MSM decided to keep us focused on the OLD news............about how Trump poorly communicates everything and how he did it again this morning....using unacceptable verbiage in his descriptions, saying everything wrong, doing everything wrong beforehand, violating protocol..............but somehow...............the result was something to be celebrated as one of the best things to happen in history for our fight against ISIS.

This actually defines Trump...........and his relationship to the dems/MSM, despite the positive results of most of his agenda for Americans. You will note that I don't agree with him on everything:

By GunterK - Oct. 27, 2019, 6:39 p.m.
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we all know that Trump's use of words is not what we expect from a polished politician. Some of the things in his speech could have been said differently.... however, addressing this history event by making a list of 41 so-called "shocking" details of Trump's speech (some of them silly) is just plain pitiful. 

Let's not forget... Hillary Clinton was a "polished" politician..... Trump was not....and Trump won.

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 7:04 p.m.
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Obama White House Photographer Suggests Trump Situation Room Photo of Unfolding al-Baghdadi Raid Was Staged

By mcfarm - Oct. 27, 2019, 7:28 p.m.
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ohh wait a minute. an Obama person telling us what is staged? really?

By metmike - Oct. 27, 2019, 11:35 p.m.
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Pelosi says Trump notified Russians of Baghdadi raid
before telling congressional leaders.

Washington Post

This is just nuts that Trump would think that he can trust the Russians more than the democrats. What have the democrats ever done to Trump that he would not trust them (-:

More evidence that Trump is in cahoots with Russia and is really a traitor to his country(-:

House Foreign Affairs chairman over Trump's refusal to tell Democrats about Baghdadi raid: "Problematic and insulting"

“This morning, Trump thanked Russia and Syria for their support with the al-Baghdadi operation, yet these two countries have been among the most destabilizing to the region, creating the conditions that gave rise to extremism and chaos."

Engel, one of the congressional leaders overseeing the House impeachmentinquiry of Trump, called the President's Syria strategy "disastrous," and said it would not ensure the next leader of the terror group does not threaten the United States or its allies.

He then said the implication by the President that Democrats would leak information about the raid was "insulting."

"Finally, I am extremely troubled Trump notified only Republicans, but did not see fit to inform me or any Congressional Democrats of the operation. His implication that Speaker Pelosi, the elected representative third in line for the Presidency, cannot be trusted with sensitive information is tremendously problematic and insulting, and further politicizes foreign policy -- especially when Trump has shown himself to be an untrustworthy guardian of our national security and sensitive intelligence information.”

Metmike:The common sense, no brainer logic for why trump did not tip off the leakocrats/impeachocrats somehow eludes them?

If a country declared war on you, would you give them privileged/sensitive information about your country that they would likely try to use against you........while they were dropping bombs trying to obliterate you?

By TimNew - Oct. 28, 2019, 8:05 a.m.
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The spin is strong with this one.  And you are right MM..  We no longer need the "If Trump cured cancer" joke.   We now have a real world example that works at least as well.

By metmike - Oct. 28, 2019, 8:35 p.m.
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metmike: We knew it was bad before this but now it's clearly an all out war to obliterate Trump no matter what happens, no matter what he does, no matter what the facts are.....and the MSM, smelling blood from the selective narratives leaking out from the secret impeachment witchhunt  were besides themselves when Trump did something that all Americans and the entire world should be celebrating.

Their response to, not the actual event of killing the most wicket human being on the planet was what stood out the most.

And they continue with it.

Officials cringe as Trump spills sensitive details of al-Baghdadi raid

"Some details the president has revealed are inaccurate, others are classified. Officials say they worry what to put in briefings for a man with no filter."

"On Monday, Trump declassified a photo of the dog, revealing its breed, which was classified. But the dog’s name remains top secret. Inquiries about the dog flooded in after Trump disclosed that "the K-9 was hurt, went into the tunnel."

Give me a break, a dog was injured and Trump showed a picture of it because he wanted us to recognize the dog as a hero and this is another reason to criticize him after this historic event which should be universally celebrated by all Americans(and the world).........not just those that don't hate Trump!

Maybe they forget about this:

"some top U.S. officials — including then-President Barack Obama, who signed a law to reduce the amount of classified material — have lamented the government's tendency to over-classify information"

By metmike - Oct. 28, 2019, 8:40 p.m.
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It was so bad, that we had one columnist at the Washington Post actually defending the most evil criminal in the world for awhile because of their intense blind hatred for Trump.

Washington Post columnist issues correction after claiming Baghdadi not a coward

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No, he did not mess it up............. last time I checked Al-bagdadi was still dead. The entities that REALLY messed it up were the MSM and democrats..........showing us that they hate Trump more than they love America!!!!

These gate keepers of information and reporting have, by design passed on this blind hatred to half of the country. 

By GunterK - Oct. 28, 2019, 11:19 p.m.
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First, they called Bagjdadis' death the "passing of an austere religious scholar"

Now they are describing his death as being heroic (he blew himself up and killed 3 of his children). That's exactly how radical islamists would describe his death. According to them, he has a free pass to Paradise, because he died in jihad.

I am slowly getting the feeling that the WaPo (and maybe other members of the MSM) are colluding with ISIS. They sure are trying hard to protect Bagdadi and make him look like a hero.  Maybe, they should be investigated for collusion with ISIS and for treason.