Just the facts...
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Started by cliff-e - May 25, 2019, 12:11 p.m.
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By metmike - May 25, 2019, 1:01 p.m.
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"Trump did not show or quote from a second page that goes with the graphic, laying out the results of the investigation. Among them: "37 total indicted ... 26 Russians indicted ... 4 people sent to prison ... 7 guilty pleas." In Trump's telling, it's all a hoax."


Is Trump Russian? Did Trump commit any crimes?  How many of the crimes/indictments of Americans were CREATED by the Mueller investigation(almost all of them) .

THOSE are the objective facts cliff:



Dershowitz: Mueller Has Found 'Almost No Crimes' From Before Russia Probe Started    


https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/25/alan-dershowitz-reacts-roger-stone-indictment-typical-robert-mueller

"This is typical of Mueller. He has found almost no crimes that occurred before he was appointed special counsel," Dershowitz said, adding that's Mueller was appointed to find such crimes and he's "virtually failed" in that respect.

"Almost all of his crimes that's he's indicted people for are crimes that resulted from his investigation," Dershowitz said.

By mcfarm - May 25, 2019, 1:14 p.m.
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as this thing unravels Cliff, do not be surprised when many those charged will be freed and are do damages.....just a warning when a fake investigation is started with fake info

By cliff-e - May 25, 2019, 1:18 p.m.
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This may come as a startling revelation to some but probable cause leads to investigation which leads to convictions. That's how the legal system works. Many took the fall or blame at 45's direction and there's more to come. 

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

By TimNew - May 25, 2019, 1:36 p.m.
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A dossier created by the opposition, which was used to get the initial warrant launching the investigation, is at best an extreme stretch of "probable cause". 

Sounds a lot like a cop planting evidence, and that's considered illegal.

By metmike - May 25, 2019, 2:25 p.m.
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"This may come as a startling revelation to some but probable cause leads to investigation which leads to convictions."


Your logic is missing a couple of things .

1.Probable cause-we will see if that was established legally in short order-maybe it was-we need to know.

2. Investigation-You nailed that one.  To the tune of 2.5 years and 35,000,000

3. Charges for crimes-you forgot to mention the investigation resulted in 0(zero)(zilch) crimes by Trump or charges.

4. Convictions. You can't get convictions or even a singular conviction if you are not charged with a single crime





By mcfarm - May 25, 2019, 2:42 p.m.
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cliff please, I beg you to do some investigation of the blond hooker in tow with Stephan helper who approached papadopulous.  They asked for help getting dirt. Papa is on tape they have now discovered telling them not he nor anyone associated with Trump would help them. The FBI decided not include things like this in the fisa warrant applications, along with other exculpatory evidence, That not the way things work unless you are working for the Obama administration