Just doing some research on this tonight and found these statistics/facts. We've been hearing that immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than long time US residents. Stats below for the state of Texas suggest otherwise. Need to do more research on this one.
https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens
"The Bureau of Prisons is responsible for the custody and care of federal inmates. As of December 2017, BOP has custody of 38,132 known or suspected aliens. This represents approximately 21 percent of the total BOP population — meaning that one in five BOP inmates is an alien.
Of the 38,132 known or suspected aliens, approximately 66 percent were unlawfully present in the United States.
Some analysts charge that the reason there are so many aliens in federal custody is that they are there for primarily immigration-related offenses. This is certainly true, as about 29 percent of aliens in BOP custody have committed immigration offenses such as illegal reentry after removal.
But most of the aliens are incarcerated because of other federal crimes they committed. According to the report, 46 percent of these aliens committed drug trafficking or other drug-related offenses, which was the largest crime category committed by aliens in BOP custody. The remaining 25 percent committed a variety of other criminal offenses, including fraud, weapons charges, racketeering, and sexual crimes. Clearly, the large population of aliens in BOP custody cannot simply be explained away by immigration crimes."
"Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018. These individuals were charged with more than 663,000 offenses, including:
The data from Texas sheds light on the danger posed by criminal aliens to local communities. More states should follow Texas's example and release information such as this to allow policymakers and researchers access to this critical data."
Houston.............we have a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTSVOnhLtCs
Oddly, the BOP inmate population has been decreasing since peaking in 2013. Conversely, I have no statistical evidence, but surely Trump's immigration policy should show an increasing alien presence in Federal prisons.
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/population_statistics.jsp
"The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit organization and think tank that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views."
Quick search shows their agenda and bias. Fake news (as our president would say)
joj: "Quick search shows their agenda and bias. Fake news (as our president would say)"
metmike: Actually real news using authentic statistics, listing their source/link (Department of Justice report) that the reader does not want to believe because of cognitive bias since it doesn't line up with what they want to believe and they didn't want to check the facts:
Title of article: "Alien Incarceration Report Fiscal Year 2018, Quarter 1"
From the Department of Justice and US Department of Homeland Security
https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/Alien_Incarceration_Report_2018_Q1.pdf
metmike: I'll help you with this joj because it caused me to read the entire report and find out that the source which you deemed as fake news, represented a number that is actually an UNDERCOUNT of the real numbers!
On page 15 you will find the exact data mentioned in the first post by the authentic not "fake news" source:
DOJ/Homeland Security: "For example, the Texas Department of Public Safety publishes data online regarding criminal alien arrests and convictions. These data do not account for all aliens in the Texas criminal justice system, as they are limited to criminal alien arrestees who have had prior interaction with DHS resulting in the collection of their fingerprints. Nonetheless, these data are helpful in understanding how criminal aliens impact public safety and criminal justice. As reported by Texas Department of Public Safety:According to DHS status indicators, over 251,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and April 30, 2018. During their criminal careers, these criminal aliens were charged with more than 663,000 criminal offenses. Those arrests include 1,351 homicide charges; 79,049 assault charges; 18,685 burglary charges; 79,900 drug charges; 815 kidnapping charges; 44,882 theft charges; 50,777 obstructing police charges; 4,292 robbery charges; 7,156 sexual assault charges; and 9,938 weapon charges. Of the total criminal aliens arrested in that timeframe, over 168,000 or 66% were identified by DHS status as being in the US illegally at the time of their last arrest. According to DPS criminal history records, those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 296,000 convictions including 583 homicide convictions; 29,768assault convictions; 9,202 burglary convictions; 39,002 drug convictions; 282 kidnapping convictions; 20,355 theft convictions; 24,836 obstructing police convictions; 2,245 robbery convictions; 3,317 sexual assault convictions; and 4,117weapon convictions. Of the convictions associated with criminal alien arrests, over 197,000 or 66% are associated with aliens who were identified by DHS status as being in the US illegally at the time of their last arrest."
metmike: However, in reading the entire report, I noted that on page 14 they stated:
DOJ/Homeland Security: "A.Gathering Data from State PrisonsBJS currently collects on an annual basis aggregate numbers of noncitizens in state and federal prisons through the National Prisoner Statistics (“NPS”) program. The respective departments of corrections voluntarily submit these numbers. The most recent records, released in January 2018, were from December 31, 2016. According to that report, there were approximately 83,573 inmates under federal jurisdiction or in state custody who are not U.S. citizens. As BJS appropriately noted,5 state numbers in the report, which reflect 43,617 noncitizen individuals in custody, represent an undercount, because five states—including California, Nevada, and Oregon—did not report citizenship data. In addition, other states likely also provided undercounts, in part because; (1) inmates self-report place of birth or citizenship, and state corrections departments use these elements differently to determine citizenship, and (2) the count for most states only includes individuals in state-run institutions, not private facilities. Due to this underreporting (or complete lack of reporting) by some states, the aggregate tally of 83,573 noncitizen inmates reported to BJS as being under federal jurisdiction or in state custody does not currently represent a comprehensive national total"
DOJ/Homeland Security: C.Costs Associated With Confirmed Aliens in USMS CustodyDuring the first quarter of FY18, USMS had an average daily population of 19,472 confirmed aliens in custody, and incurred more than $134 million in housing costs related to those prisoners during that quarter.
metmike: So we have some undercounted stats in the state of TX, which is actually one of the better reporting states and why the legit news source posted only stats for that state......... but we are greatly undercounting to having nothing for other big states in the National numbers which are obviously MUCH higher than anything being discussed. Much higher by a wide enough margin for anybody trying to use some sort of reasoning for why it's really not that bad to look very silly.
metmike: It's bad dude. The numbers don't lie.
you wrote ".... is a non-profit organization and think tank that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views. Quick search shows their agenda and bias. Fake news ...."
.... and on the other side we have the MSM and some of our politicians, who say there is no border crisis, which is also fake news.
In other words, we don't have any source to keep us informed. Maybe, we should just stop posting.
metmike: It's good that the topic "sources" came up here.
For me, I try to find the actual DATA, so that it usually doesn't matter who the source is in most realms. If you have measured data, one can try to spin or manipulate it but the data is not an opinion and somebody with basic statistics 101 skills can understand what the data is really saying, even when the source is trying to twist it.
Anyway, since I found this actual data last night(with my own search to try to understand whats going on better), which has been out there for some time obviously, I wondered why it's not been reported anywhere.
It looks like Fox news has done some reporting of numbers like this(as soon as I state that, half the people here will ignore the rest of it) but then, I found this story from last year from The Hill which is left of center.
It's ok for you to believe The Hill joj: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/
The Hill uses additional statistics and data to those posted above which are even more mind boggling!!!
Seriously, you have to read this over a 2nd time for it to sink in.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/407312-one-in-five-us-prison-inmates-is-a-criminal-alien
From the Hill:
"Here’s how the latest numbers break down."
The U.S. population is around 328 million. It’s estimated that about 11 million — or one in 30 — are illegal immigrants. Yet criminal aliens account for more than one in five federal prison inmates. Even assuming a pretty radical margin of error for the sake of argument, that would still mean illegal immigrants are drastically over-represented among the criminal population.
And the actual picture may be worse, since the government says it has no way to be notified of all imprisoned illegal immigrants. So, instead, it counts a subset of them that it learns about through identifiers such as an FBI number.
The latest information is included in a recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The summary by the leader of GAO’s Homeland Security and Justice team, Gretta Goodwin, seems oddly written to try to put a positive spin on the grim findings. It highlights this figure: From 2011 through 2016, the criminal alien proportion of the total estimated federal inmate population generally decreased, from about 25 percent to 21 percent.
Stop there and you might think we’re on a good path. But dig into the actual report and footnotes — and it’s difficult to sugarcoat the findings.
For starters, 91 percent of federal criminal aliens were citizens of Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Colombia or Guatemala.
There were more than 730,000 criminal aliens in U.S. or state prisons and local jails during the period measured. They accounted for 4.9 million arrests for 7.5 million offenses. (The numbers, according to the GAO: 197,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons, arrested 1.4 million times for 2 million offenses, between 2011 and 2016; 533,000 in state or local facilities between 2010 and 2015, representing 3.5 million arrests for 5.5 million offenses.)
The arrests include allegations of more than 1 million drug crimes, a half-million assaults, 133,800 sex offenses and 24,200 kidnappings. Even more serious, the imprisoned illegal immigrants, over a five-year period, had been arrested for 33,300 homicide-related offenses and 1,500 terrorism-related crimes.
In terms of cost, federal taxpayers shelled out more than $15 billion during the period studied — or $2.5 billion a year — to keep criminal aliens behind bars in federal, state and local facilities.
Many are repeat offenders. Of about 146,500 criminal aliens who finished a federal prison term, about one in six — around 24,800 — already had been imprisoned again at least once.
Why hasn’t this made headlines? It could be the way the GAO presented the results as a positive improvement. It took me some time to sort through and analyze what was really being reported. In addition, though they squabble publicly, some among both major political parties have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. Even when a single party has held both houses of Congress and the presidency, they haven’t really changed much to address illegal immigration one way or another.
If politicians ever truly get serious about reforming our immigration system — whether it’s offering legal status to illegal immigrants and allowing more to come into the United States, or tightening the borders and enforcing existing laws to deport those who technically aren’t allowed — it would seem either process should start with an honest look at the stats."...........................end of the quotes from the Hill story..................
metmike: One of the things that a person realizes in suddenly comprehending just how bad the crisis is..........Trump has been exactly right and the other side has been completely bamboozling us about what's actually going on.
Sure, the numbers just recently spiked up earlier this year but the stats from these reports go back years. The MSM is now trying to lay the blame of this current illegal immigration surge on Trump...............I will have to say now that its clear that Trump was right when he said the media is the enemy of the people.
I've already proven with hundreds of data sources, how they have manufactured a fake climate crisis out of a climate optimum and the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years.
They've also done it with the situation on the southern border, only this time, it really is a crisis and they have done everything in their power to convince us that it's not and when the crisis data leaks out.........they blame Trump for it.....the person that they have been trying to block in his efforts to address/manage the crisis.
Enemy of the people. Fits for CNN, MSNBC and others at times.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27584/
Here's another authentic source for the data:
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm
"As of December 2017, BOP has custody of 38,132 known or suspected aliens. This represents approximately 21 percent of the total BOP population."
Mike, these numbers don't jibe with the BOP report. I believe they are considering all Hispanics aliens.
https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/population_statistics.jsp
Acording to the BOP as of april, 2019, there are 180,000 inmates in over 110 Federal Prisons, down from almost 220,000 in 2013.
Citizens of Mexico and four other South American countries (the illegal aliens) comprise about 25,000 or 15%, with about 80% from the US.
OK, that's Federal. How about stats from the states?
Mike you said, "Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018."
Wow, that's scary ... until you break it down into an average for 8 years ... thats about 32,000 booking a year.
You also said, "The data from Texas sheds light on the danger posed by criminal aliens to local communities. More states should follow Texas's example and release information such as this to allow policymakers and researchers access to this critical data."
How can you compile stats with no data?
carl: "You also said"
metmike: Carl, I did not say any this. The DOJ and US dept of homeland security said all those things.
The things that I stated had (metmike) in front of it, so that I could make that clear. I will try to go back and make that more clear in the previous post to make that more obvious.
I'll have to look at your BOP numbers when I get a chance to see what the discrepancy is and maybe why.
carl: "How can you compile stats with no data?"
metmike: That looks like one heck of a lot of data to me. If it isn't to you, then what do those numbers mean to you? Again, these are straight from the DOJ/Dept of Homeland security.The stats and data are for Texas, which is the best reporting state but they are under reporting. The national stats are are not only lacking the under reporting in TX but even more so in other states, some that don't report at all. This is why I enlarged this statement by them
DOJ: .Due to this underreporting (or complete lack of reporting) by some states, the aggregate tally of 83,573 noncitizen inmates reported to BJS as being under federal jurisdiction or in state custody does not currently represent a comprehensive national total"
carl said: You said: Wow, that's scary ... until you break it down into an average for 8 years ... thats about 32,000 booking a year.
metmike: Let me then repeat what "The Hill" stated again:
From the Hill:
"Here’s how the latest numbers break down."
"The U.S. population is around 328 million. It’s estimated that about 11 million — or one in 30 — are illegal immigrants. Yet criminal aliens account for more than one in five federal prison inmates. Even assuming a pretty radical margin of error for the sake of argument, that would still mean illegal immigrants are drastically over-represented among the criminal population.
And the actual picture may be worse, since the government says it has no way to be notified of all imprisoned illegal immigrants. So, instead, it counts a subset of them that it learns about through identifiers such as an FBI number."
metmike: Based on this Carl, illegal immigrants represent a 6 times higher rate of incarceration then the general population. 1 in 5 for them in prison when they represent only 1 in 30 in the general population. If that was the ONLY stat, it's pretty dang scary. This is not my stat but the DOJ stat and The Hill's math.
carl said: Citizens of Mexico and four other South American countries (the illegal aliens) comprise about 25,000 or 15%, with about 80% from the US.
metmike: Just quickly, something jumps out.
If the BOP number does turn out to be 15% of the inmates as you stated and illegal immigrants represent 1 in 30 of people living here............3%, then what is your reasoning for this to not be that bad , using your number and them being incarcerated at a 5 times higher rate(15% divided by 3% is 5)?
The Hill claims 6 times more illegal aliens in prison, you claim only 5 times more illegal aliens in prison than US citizens. Am I missing something?
What if it was only 4 or even 3 times the rate of US citizens in prison. Since its UNDER reported, it very unlikely to be as low as 3 times the rate of US citizens but even at 3 times the rate, how is one not alarmed by the cost, monetarily, law breaking/risk of harm to Americans and stress to the system to manage?
Why would we not do everything in our power to stop something that is so unbalanced to the negative side with effects to our country?
"The Hill claims 6 times more illegal aliens in prison, you claim only 5 times more illegal aliens in prison than US citizens. Am I missing something?"
Apparently so, Mike. I make no claims, but am merely pointing out discrepancies between two different sources. My source is the BOP, which states that 80% of inmates are US citizens. The Hill calls for about 50% more illegals than the BOP.
Thanks Carl,
It's not the Hill but the DOJ/US Dept of Homeland Security numbers which don't match those from the BOP that you are using.
This explanation for at least part of that is noted again:
DOJ: .Due to this underreporting (or complete lack of reporting) by some states, the aggregate tally of 83,573 noncitizen inmates reported to BJS as being under federal jurisdiction or in state custody does not currently represent a comprehensive national total"
But we can never know for sure and I'm completely happy to accept the computation that you derived from the BOP which shows that illegal aliens only represent a 5 times higher rate of incarceration than US citizens.
Sorry, Mike, I can't accept that explanation, since we are talking about Federal and not states.
The only explanation I can think of is that they mistakenly used the number of (BOP) Hispanic inmates (38,000) which of course included US citizens.
Hill (DOJ) quote : As of December 2017, (BOP) has custody of 38,132 known or suspected aliens.
That one works for me Carl, thanks.
