wow we probably should not debate this either for fear of triggering some ones feelings but here is the latest on the real story of the peace pipe liar and the slanted coverage our once prominent press gave the faker in chief. Seems maybe a guy that had no business causing any kind of disturbance much less approaching mild mannered well behaved teen agers...seems like a threat from a convict...our press must be really proud today
mcfarm,
No need to berate a fellow poster for being frustrated by some of the political discussions here which go nowhere.
This one however, is going somewhere fast with facts pouring in.
Here'e another one:
“We had hundreds and hundreds of people from all over the country come here to celebrate life, to celebrate each other together. That a protest tried to come inside during Mass was really the worst.”
The guard told CNA the situation was “tense.”
“I’m just really grateful that nothing too bad happened, they were really angry.”
A source close to the shrine’s leadership corroborated the security guard’s account, telling CNA that during the Mass, Phillips and the group tried to enter the church while playing drums and chanting, and were prohibited from entering the building by security personnel, who locked the main basilica doors with the congregation still inside.
As the participants begin walking, one demonstrator advises participants: “I’ll watch the cops.”
On Jan. 23, however, the spokeswoman provided to CNA a statement confirming that during a 7:00 p.m. Mass celebrated at the basilica, “a group of approximately 50 individuals attempted to gain entrance to the basilica while chanting and hitting drums.”
“In respect and reverence for the Mass, the individuals were not permitted to enter the Basilica due to the disruption it would have caused during the solemn Mass.
“I was inside and the protesters were banging on the doors.”
On the basilica steps, Mr. Phillips read a statement which said: “We demand that the students of Covington Catholic High School be reprimanded not just by their school officials but, as seniors, by their upcoming universities.”
“We demand that the Catholic Church hold itself responsible for the [indistinct] hundred-plus years of genocide that indigenous peoples have endured and endure persistently by implementing the following: with reparations of land and restorations to the indigenous peoples in the U.S. and across the world.”
“We demand that the Catholic Church revoke the papal bulls related to the doctrine of discovery, which laid the foundation for religious prejudice and the dehumanization of indigenous peoples.”
The video shows several shrine security guards standing between the group and the basilica's entrance.
Inside the basilica, the seminarian said that visitors to the shrine and Mass attendees were unable to leave immediately, either through the main doors or the various side exits.
“We couldn’t leave from there either [downstairs and side doors],” the seminarian told CNA. “There was more security that told us it was not exactly safe to leave at that point.”
The seminarian said his group was not permitted to exit the building for another 20 or 30 minutes.
“It was about 30 minutes before the police were able to contain the situation and disperse the protestors,” he told CNA.
A spokesperson for DC Metro Police confirmed to CNA that officers responded to a call at the shrine’s address, 400 Michigan Ave NE, at 6:27 pm on Saturday."
When he escaped from the Nebraska penal system in 1974, he was supposed to be serving his country in military service.
The facts strongly suggest that he targeted these pro life, Catholic teenagers.
1. He knew what he was doing trying to disrupt the Catholics Right To Life Mass, when security, and locked doors had to keep him out.......cops called.
2. This and his angry verbiage(as well as observers saying they were angry) outside that event, clearly indicates that he has a vendeta against the Catholic Church.
3. Numerous members at the basilica indicated that they felt threatened and the situation was "tense"
And we are supposed to believe that the 16 year old boy was the aggressor(video shows the opposite) for standing where he was smiling after being approached by this same guy trying to disrupt the special sacred mass celebrating The March for LIFE, who has a criminal record, who claimed to be a Vietnam vet but wasn't?
The same American Indian that was interviewed numerous times by the media and completely believed?
https://www.catholicleague.org/meet-the-indian-and-black-thugs/
"A group of about 20 Indians, led by activist Nathan Phillips, tried to storm a Mass on January 19 at the Basilica of the National Shrine of Immaculate Conception in Washington D.C. They were stopped by security who had to lock the doors. This is what the Nazis did to the Jews in Hitler’s Germany—they crashed the synagogues during services.
It is against the law in D.C. to disturb a religious service. Had Phillips succeeded, it would have been a hate crime. If the Catholic students had barged into a crowd of Indians while they were praying, they would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country and it would be the lead story on the broadcast and cable news outlets."
And the Indian, Nathan Phillips,( AKA Nathan Stanard's) hits just keep on coming:
"Retired Navy SEAL Don Shipley pulls the Military Records of Nathan Phillips AKA Nathan Stanard, Native American Drummer Dude. He was NOT a Vietnam Vet."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=485&v=CIXIzvyAlLA
Nathan enlisted in the Marine Corps reserves in 1972.
We already knew that he was never in Vietnam but he was actually a refrigerator mechanic for the service in Nebraska and the evidence does not show that he was in any recon units..
After he was shipped to El Toro, California, he went AWOL at least twice and was apparently sentenced to some time in the brigg for this.
Nathan Phillips, the Native American leader who accused Covington Catholic High School students of harassing him last Friday, falsely claimed in a 2018 Facebook video that he was a “Vietnam vet” and served “in theater.”
Military records show that Phillips, who served in the Marine Corps between 1972 and 1976, was not deployed overseas and spent the years working stateside as a refrigerator mechanic after a four-month stint as an anti-tank missileman.
Phillips, 63, has previously suggested that he might have served in the war, referring to himself in interviews as a “Vietnam times veteran” and a “recon ranger" and stating: "People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”
But now, Phillips has been shown claiming outright that he served in the Vietnam War in a video posted to the Native Youth Alliance Facebook page last January.
http://www.wvxu.org/post/suspended-twitter-account-plays-role-misleading-viral-video#stream/0
SYDELL: McKew says she also noticed that @2020fight is followed by accounts she thinks are suspicious. Those accounts retweeted the video and sent it out to more people. Whitney Phillips, a professor at Syracuse University, has studied the way stories like this blow up on social media. Phillips says this situation is a near-perfect model of how social media and the news media end up working together to heighten conflicts between Americans.
WHITNEY PHILLIPS: You basically throw a match into some kindling, and then the American people supply the oxygen.
SYDELL: Then it rises to the top on Twitter, and the professional media notices it.
PHILLIPS: And so you have this race to cover the story first, and then once the story has been covered, every publication needs to, you know, publish their own take.
SYDELL: Including NPR. Phillips says the end result is that a small group that wants to keep Americans fighting amongst themselves is able to leverage social media and manipulate the traditional media. Unfortunately, she says, social media companies like Twitter are ultimately not prioritizing the good of society.
PHILLIPS: Sometimes it takes down really offensive content and sometimes it keeps that content up because it is good for their bottom line.
SYDELL: Phillips says divisions in our society are real, and the video may have taken off without fake accounts. But she would like to see people look at the source of the information before retweeting. Laura Sydell, NPR News.
This was such an obviously blatant failure on the part of the MSM that it can't possibly be caused by anything other than an agenda driven obsession. Every single aspect of the original reports were hopelessly flawed. They have had so much success for so long that they never even stopped to check for any possible flaws. Over confidence? A few decades ago, without the internet, this story likely would have maintained it's original angle and most of us would still be vilifying these kids.
The argument that many of our "News Agencies" are nothing more than the propaganda division of the DNC now has far more credibility and a lot of people who trusted the MSM last week don't this week.
Maybe, just maybe, this will serve as a wake up call to our media and they will actually start doing their job. Reporting news. Both sides. Objectively. And leave the editorials on the editorial page.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one".
“I was upset. I was made to sit down and watch it,” Phillips told Guthrie of the teen’s interview. “Someone tried to show it to me before I went to my prayer ceremony, and I got into about the first 30 seconds, 40 seconds of it, and I said, ‘Well that’s all I needed to hear.’”
Sandmann told Guthrie he “had every right” to stand before Phillips and that neither he nor his peers are racist.
Phillips said Sandmann’s interview seemed “coached and written up for him,” ..............insincerity, lack of responsibility"
Here's the interview of the 16 year Catholic boy:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/22406/
Interviews of people are just words that tell us what they think(or want us to think). To more fully understand who is telling the truth/is sincere, we have to look at all the facts.
This thread and the one, just above is loaded with authentic facts to enable the reader to do that.
while I do appreciate your efforts metmike you appealing to libs to watch a factual non-hacked straight forward, short video to explain the facts is exactly like asking peolosi and schummer to negotiate on the boarder. They are childish, petulant, and unable to look t facts and discuss a reasonable solution that does not fit the leftist agenda
"They are childish, petulant, and unable to look t facts and discuss a reasonable solution that does not fit the leftist agenda"
Though it's been much more challenging to manage violations from one side recently...........we have great posters from BOTH sides here.
mcfarm, your opinions are always welcome here but please leave out adjectives similar to those above when referring to fellow posters that you disagree with.
That's fine if you want to attack Pelosi and Schumer but don't direct an attack on anybody(s) here, even in a general sense.
Even if the chances of them taking you serious seem miniscule to you(they are pretty high for our well behaved libs in my opinion), they are ZERO when doing this. Plus, name calling is exactly the kind of behavior that you object to, so lets avoid it on both sides.
For me, one of the tragedies of this past week is the disgraceful behavior of Nathan Phillips AKA Nathan Stanard.
How many Indigenous/American Indians do we see in the limelight or get to know in today's world?
Seriously, some people's opinion might be from watching old Western movies. Many have more enlightened views but they are often based on reading things about these people. We know alot about the history and maybe alot of facts about how things have evolved but how many real American Indian spokespeople do you know?
So this guy comes along and proves to not just be a complete fraud and liar. He is hateful, combative..........pretends to be spiritual, prayerful and respectful but is caught aggressively trying to break into and disrupt the authentic spiritual and prayerful mass celebration of human life by the Catholics...........that came to Washington DC to support life......from conception to the grave.
This, after he brought on a confrontation with a 16 year old boy, who he targets with all sort of blame and accusations because the boy stood there and smiled back at him.
The saddest part is that he used his race, a Native American Indian the entire time and disgracefully represented an entire race of people.
So, rather than letting this person's bad example of behavior turn us off, let's learn more about Native Americans today:
http://www.nativepartnership.org/site/PageServer?pagename=naa_livingconditions
"About 22% of our country’s 5.2 million Native Americans live on tribal lands (2010 U.S. Census). Living conditions on the reservations have been cited as "comparable to Third World," (May 5 2004, Gallup Independent). It is impossible to succinctly describe the many factors that have contributed to the challenges that Native America faces today, but the following facts about the most pressing issues of economics, health, and housing give a hint of what life is like for many first Americans."
Employment
"Typically, Tribal and Federal governments are the largest employers on the reservations. Many households are overcrowded and earn only social security, disability or veteran's income. The scarcity of jobs and lack of economic opportunity mean that, depending on the reservation, four to eight out of ten adults on reservations are unemployed. Among American Indians who are employed, many are earning below poverty wages (2005 BIA American Indian Population & Labor Force Report).
The overall percentage of American Indians living below the federal poverty line is 28.2% (2008, American Indians Census Facts). The disparity for American Indians living below poverty on the reservations is even greater, reaching 38% to 63% in our service area (2006, National Center for Education Statistics, and other sources)."
History and Culture
Key events in the history of the Northern Plains Native Americans include more than a hundred and fifty years of interaction with white settlers. These events, often tragic and inaccurately documented, contain the historical roots of life today on the Northern Plains reservations.
To learn more about the historical key events, please refer to the individual pages listed on the left side of the main link:
http://www.nativepartnership.org/site/PageServer?pagename=naa_livingconditions
Reservations Tribes that now live on the Northern Plains originally spanned an area from the Great Lakes in the north, to western Montana, and as far south and east as the lower Mississippi. These tribes hunted, fished and farmed on their sacred lands. Beginning in the 1700s, many of these tribes acquired horses. This new mobility allowed them to become nomadic, and several tribes began following the buffalo herds of the Northern Plains. Increasing encounters with white explorers, miners, and settlers in the early 1800s introduced alcohol and disease to the Native people. Entire tribes were decimated by smallpox, warfare, and pressure from the white settlers heading west. The United States government began removing Indian people from their traditional lands, assigning all Native Americans to reservations. Taken from the land that once met all of their needs, Native American people now live on isolated reservations, some miles away from basic necessities such as stores and medical facilities. Usually, the only nearby shop carries mostly junk food. The reservation land is so barren that it’s a struggle to get any crops to grow.
Not only is food hard to find on the reservations, so are jobs. On many reservations, unemployment rates exceed 85 percent. Removed from their traditional extended family structure and nomadic hunting ways, the Indian people are forced to rely on the government for their basic needs. Sadly, these needs -- shelter, food, healthcare, and employment -- have never been adequately met. For more information about the reservations NAA serves, please refer to the individual states listed at the link at the top of the first page: |
https://mises.org/wire/utter-failure-americas-system-indian-reservations
There are 310 reservations in America and 562 federally recognized Native nations.
There are 3 million Native Americans in the United States today, approximately 1 million of whom live on these reservations.
The Bureau of Indian affairs (BIA) — founded on March 11, 1824, by John C. Calhoun — and the Bureau of Indian Education (BIE), which are both a part of the Department of the Interior, have approximately 9,000 employees. That’s one employee for every 110 Native Americans on the reservation.
Annual federal funding and subsidies is $3 billion per year. This goes to roads, education, agriculture, tribal courts, social services, and overall economic development. The BIE gets $850 million for providing for its 42,000 students, which is roughly $20,000 per student, which is a lot. The national average is $12,500.
There are also a number of other federal agencies that subsidize Native Americans:
The Department of Health and Human Services houses the so-called Indian Health Service. It’s budget is $4 billion.
The Department of Housing and Urban Development runs the Native American Housing Block Grant Program, which has a budget of $750 million.
The Department of Education spends $300 million each year on BIE schools.
What, then, after all this money, do the reservations have to show for it? They have the highest rate of poverty of any racial group in the country — more than twice the national average. They have the highest unemployment rates in the country.
The majority of BIE schools are calamitous: even with all that money, they cannot keep the walls from crumbling down — collapsing roofs, gas leaks, wiring everywhere exposed, circuit-breakers popping, no heat in sub-zero weather.
In 2016, the last year for which the census data is available, the average household income on reservations was approximately 70 percent below the national average of $57, 617. Just over 20 percent of those households earned less than $5,000 a year. More the 25 percent of the reservation populations live below the official poverty level, compared with 13 percent of the United States as a whole.
The question, of course, is why?
Why do most — though, significantly, not all — Indian reservations exist in a perpetual state of poverty?
The answer lies in the fact that when Congress passed, in 1934, the Indian Reorganization Act (IRA), it thereby locked Indian lands in a state of perpetual trusteeship.
It also concretized Supreme Court Justice John Marshall’s 1831 opinion that “the relationship of the tribes to the states is that of a ward to his guardian.”
Thus, in this capacity of guardian, the Department of Interior now acts as perpetual trustee for most Native American lands and its resources.
It therefore regulates virtually all land use — including the leasing of land.
The result is a leviathan-sized bureaucracy that makes economic development next to impossible.
