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Jeffrey Epstein
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Started by metmike - July 16, 2025, 9:34 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/113255/
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These were the last posts from today, 7-30-25 at the previous thread, including the last one that triggered the block:
By cutworm - July 30, 2025, 9:04 a.m.
One thing I do not understand, didn't the Biden admiration have all this evidence, and they hated Trump, why didn't they release the info?
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By metmike - July 30, 2025, 10 a.m.
Hi cutworm!
Bill Clinton was also a serial predator of women and obviously underage girls. The Clinton's have great power being used to suppress this information. There are other names that we don't know about that likely include people from both parties that are keeping us from knowing who they are.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jeffrey Epstein
By metmike - July 26, 2025, 11:12 p.m.
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Apparently, Clinton made numerous visits to Epstein Island.
After Trump and Epstein broke up in 2004, Trump continued to prey on women and underage girls for another decade, INDEPENDENT OF EPSTEIN........even as Epstein's exploits/crimes became public knowledge.
Trump has, so far not been held accountable. Nor Clinton or the many other rich and powerful predators of women and underage girls. The same ones that killed Epstein to protect themselves and possibly played a role in the SUDDEN deaths of 3 of the victims the past several years to keep them quiet.
I can't say much on those deaths without much more information, like I/we have on Trump(and Epstein).
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jeffrey Epstein
By metmike - July 30, 2025, 2:39 p.m.
FINALLY, this is waking up the MSM(not Fox) to do some critical thinking and investigative reporting!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/
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I had mentioned several of these items that don't make sense years ago and continue to insist that the prison and government, now clearly busted with several lies/inconsistencies with the video is covering up the truth. Failed camera's, spliced video's, the missing minute and guards that slept much of the night are things I brought up in the past. That goes with removing Epstein's cellmate the day before, after taking him OFF suicide watch.
What are the chances of all those things happening coincidentally, the same night that Jeffrey Epstein hangs himself.
Then, experts reviewing the autopsy tell us that its indicative of a strangulation because of the damage and not the hanging of himself from leaning forward, using a bed-sheet that the government claims caused it.......like 1 in a million??
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CBS News analysis of the newly released Jeffrey Epstein jail video finds inconsistencies with the government's claims about what the footage shows, raising questions about the credibility of the federal investigation. CBS News Justice correspondent Scott MacFarlane breaks down the findings. The FBI declined to comment on the CBS News report.
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There's a 99.9% chance that Epstein was killed by the same rich and powerful people that victimized these women/girls. Trump and Clinton FOR SURE victimized these young women/girls based on overwhelming, beyond reasonable doubt, LEGAL CIRCUMSTANTIAL Evidence. Prince Andrew is also 1 of them with certainty!
NEW YORK (AP) — A woman who says she was sexually trafficked to Britain’s Prince Andrew by Jeffrey Epstein accepted $500,000 in 2009 to settle her lawsuit against the American millionaire and anyone else “who could have been included as a potential defendant,” according to a court record unsealed Monday.
The prince’s lawyers say that language should bar Virginia Giuffre from suing Andrew now, even though he wasn’t a party to the original settlement.
The private 2009 legal deal resolved Giuffre’s allegations that Epstein had hired her as a teenager to be a sexual servant at his estate in Palm Beach, Florida.
Andrew was not named in that lawsuit, but Giuffre had alleged in it that Epstein had flown her around the world for sexual encounters with numerous men “including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and/or professional and personal acquaintances.”
WATCH: How prosecutors proved Ghislaine Maxwell was Epstein’s ‘enabler-in-chief’
The settlement unsealed Monday also doesn’t mention Andrew, but contains a single paragraph saying it protects anyone “who could have been included as a potential defendant” from being sued by Giuffre.
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What is especially interesting is that Trump, yesterday claimed that this was one of the employees that Epstein stole from him that caused their best friendship to break up.
Virginian Giuffre is now DEAD. She suddenly died by suicide just 3 months ago.
2 other victims also suddenly died in the last several years.
Virginia Giuffre was 41 when she died in Neergabby, Australia
Thursday 01 May 2025 16:28 EDT
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While I am certain, well beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump was a CRIMINAL predator of countless women, including underage girls associated with his Epstein relationship as well as independent of Epstein, what I would like to know is if he has played a key role in killing people, like Jeffrey Epstein and possibly the 3 victims?
Somebody killed Epstein and probably some of the victims. For sure it was one or more of the rich powerful people. It's unlikely that we will never know that part of it but if this can generate new found courage for these victims to break their HUSH MONEY agreements and threats(clearly legit based on who they already killed) and come forward to speak out then, at least we can hold some of them accountable, including those mentioned above.
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By metmike - July 30, 2025, 3:42 p.m.
Democrats invoke rare Senate rule to force release of Epstein documents
https://www.axios.com/2025/07/30/democrats-epstein-documents-trump-justice-department
By the numbers: According to a YouGov poll released Tuesday, 82% of Americans think the government should release all the documents it has about the case.
What we're watching: The senators requested an answer from the DOJ by Aug. 15.
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This is what I think will happen:
1. Trump will authorize his people to release alot of stuff that doesn't implicate him or mention him. Some of it is likely to be edited to REMOVE HIM.
2. Maxwell will lie under oath to get the get out of prison early deal that Trump promised her.
What is the reasoning?
1. Trump MUST start releasing a bunch of stuff ASAP to try stop the serious bleeding. There is no choice.
2. What are the chances that President Trump or his people would release information that incriminates him?
Answer: 0.0001%
3. What are the chances that Trump's private attorney and #2 in power in our justice department (after Pam Bondi) met with Maxwell and her attorney for 2 days, was there with an objective different than to help fulfill Trumps latest schemes for escaping being held accountable for his crimes against women/girls.
Anwer: 0.001%
4. This is the same man that still insists to this very day that the 2020 election was stolen from him. He did everything in his power to try to overturn that election for 2+ months to make himself the winner, culminating in Donald Trump's treasonous, Constitution violating and American people betraying Insurrection on January 6, 2021.
5. He managed to survive that and come back to be president, so never count him out. Ironically, his MAGA people may have been ok with #4 but being a predator of underage girls is considered the bottom dredge of society so that even hardened criminals will spit on you for it!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/30/politics/skepticism-trump-epstein-concessions
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Exactly my point/last comment at the previous thread. Trump will release all sorts of stuff that doesn't implicate his involvement. Knowing him, he will release stuff with him in it but only after his people remove him and present this as the original version.
Hopefully, this will be vehemently rejected by all the clear thinking, ethical people in this country that want the truth.What would be best is if this incentivizes numerous victims to come forward that are being paid with hush money and having their lives threatened.
It would take alot of courage. I continue to feel overwhelming sadness for them and the suffering they went thru by these CREEPS at the time of the abuse and the psychological pain that continues today.
This is much more than just protecting criminal predators like Donald J. Trump because he has the same political affiliation.
He and many sick men criminally abused many hundreds or more, real human beings to satisfy their pathological sexual desires using their money and power. We should think of and pray for these many victims and especially support them strongly if/when they come out.
This is the quintessential difference between right and wrong. Even if the Ds are the ones tightening the screws because of politics. In this case, they have the franchise on the moral high ground and also are doing the right thing, even if its coincidental to their party affiliation.
A timeline of what Trump has said about how their relationship fell apart.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-comments-epstein-raise-new-questions-fell/story?id=124211483
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The truth is NOT setting this guy free as his lies pile up higher and higher because he KNOWS that hes guilty. His pathological thinking is unable to comprehend people's ability to see clearly thru his perceived omnipotence. So he conjures up and repeats statements that don't make any sense and it keeps digging his hole deeper..
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A timeline of what Trump has said about how their relationship fell apart.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-comments-epstein-raise-new-questions-fell/story?id=124211483
One of those workers, Trump said, was Virginia Giuffre, an Epstein accuser who said she was recruited by his associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, when Giuffre was an underage teenager working as a locker-room attendant at Mar-a-Lago in 2000. Maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking minors and now serving a 20-year prison sentence, has denied the allegations. Giuffre died by suicide this past April at age 41.
According to Social Security records submitted to the court during Giuffre’s defamation case against Ghislaine Maxwell, Giuffre was employed at Mar-a-Lago Club LLC in 2000 and earned $1,866.50 during that calendar year. The duration and precise dates of her employment at Trump’s club remained in dispute when the lawsuit settled in 2017.
Giuffre -- then known as Virginia Roberts -- subsequently went on to travel extensively around the world with Epstein and Maxwell over the next two years, according to flight logs kept by one of Epstein’s pilots that have been entered into court records in civil and criminal cases.
But previous comments from Trump suggested his falling out with Epstein occurred several years later than that.
In 2002, Trump praised Epstein in a New York magazine profile of the now-deceased financier and convicted sex offender.
"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy," Trump told the magazine. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
Then in 2004, the two men were rivals over a property in Florida as reported by the Washington Post. Trump ultimately won the property at auction.
In 2019, when Epstein was arrested on federal charges, Trump said he hadn't spoken with Epstein in 15 years.
"I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him. I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him. He was a fixture in Palm Beach," Trump said in the Oval Office. "I had a falling out with him a long time ago. I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan. I was not, yeah, a long time ago, I'd say maybe 15 years. I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you. I was not a fan of his."
So he GAVE UP Virginia 4 years before the falling out with Epstein, KNOWING what she was being used for by Epstein(who he described as a "Terrific guy" that "likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side" 2 years AFTER he gave her (or as Trump claims "poached her") to Epstein.
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More disingenuous posturing, with Trump's people pretending that they are being transparent and releasing important stuff during this HUGE cover up to protect the Predator in Chief.
We already know most of if not everything that might be released from this EXTREMELY LIMITED information source.
Trump and his people will NEVER release what we all want to see. They will NEVER release any information that has Trump's potential criminality in it.
Trump claims that this is all a D hoax.
We need some of the hundreds of victims of his and the other sex predators, now being quiet out of fear and hush money to come out of hiding and speak out.
As tough as this would be, this is a good environment to incentivize them to find new found courage.
Trump has been portraying himself as the victim. He was even, supposedly a victim of Epstein's because of all things, Epstein STOLE/POACHED an underage girl of his, like he owned her.
Not one time has he ever expressed an iota of empathy for these horribly victimized women(underage girls). It's all about him.
That's because a predator does not have empathy for their victims.
Not when victimizing them and apparently in Trump's case not years later.
Trump today, just sees them as a risk to eliminate at any cost. Somebody(s) in his predators club killed Epstein and nobody mourns for the leader of the predators. However, 3 victims have also died suddenly in recent years and ALL OF THEM- hundreds are suffering from the psychological pain and fear for their lives today.
One can look at this the opposite way too.
Seeing Trump controlling the entire process may make it seem ever more futile for them to come forward, along with their legit fear of being killed.
So who(s) killed Epstein?
Even MAGA still wants to know that even though they're circling the wagons and are now defending Trump, ignoring all the facts coming out.
Chance of us ever knowing? Near 0, unless something crazy like dozens of victims came out all at once and fingered most of the serial predators.
Covering up for the serial, criminal predator in the White House!
Trump and his administration keep insisting they are transparent and trying to release as much as possible of the Epstein files.
They released the MLK files!
They released the JFK files!
They could release the Epstein files tomorrow if they wanted!
As they promised!
1 big problem. They got the files earlier this year (May?) and realized, oh, oh! there's some bad stuff in there about President Trump.
While Trump, earlier this month had been calling all of it a "hoax by the democrats!"
Here's the real hoax:
Trump pretending that he wants information released. Instead of releasing the Epstein files as they promised, Trump asked for the information from a grand jury be released...........as if that is actually something.
IF a judge rules in his favor, all we get is basic information from 2 cops asking for a judge to approve the case to go to trial. Almost nothing, even if its approved.
A good analogy would be if we wanted to solve a 500 piece puzzle but only had 2 pieces.
Then Trump's people tell us that they will give us all the pieces of the puzzle so that we can solve it if we elect them. A few months go by after they take office.
Then they get all those pieces, but instead of passing all 500 pieces on to us as promised, they give us all 500 pieces to 2 other puzzles.
With the 500 piece puzzle that we are most interested in solving, they make a request to get 2 pieces from a judge................the same 2 pieces we already have. HUGH????
What about the other 498 pieces that they have in their possession right now!
The Epstein files! They have them but now, they won't release them because they are protecting a serial predator in the White House and other rich and powerful predators that got away with these crimes.
so you think we got all the mlk and jfk files? Silly boy. We most certainly will never see all the files. Many reasons. The deep state, the deep state. the deep state is the main one. You really mlk and jfk had all the predilections they had and never crossed a line they should not have ? Of all the sorted and soiled stuff in their files there is stuff that never will be seen. And sadly its starting to look like the Epstein case is headed that way. Only for some odd reason America is giving mlk and jfk a complete pass on t heir dark side and celebrating like hero's.
Got many many bad things in my memory of Ted kennedy but one bright spot was his eulogy of jfk. Do not know who wrote or who he stole it from but he did say do not make jfk larger in death than he was in life but America turned and did t anyway didn't we.
Family of Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre wants files released
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/31/us/video/kaitlan-collins-virginia-giuffre-family-interview-src-digvid
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I hope we can get the entire interview shortly. Profoundly powerful. I wept several times for the victims.
This provided faces, actually human beings to the story, instead of the politics that, especially 1 side is using to completely disrespect the victims and violate them all over again.
They know that Donald Trump is one of the rich and powerful men that played a role in violating these women and now he's the king pin of the group, covering it up by refusing to release the files because of his guilt and pretending to be transparent.
Treating the victims like pawns and not human beings. Earlier this week, Trump referring to a victim, their sister like she was his property that was "stolen and poached" from him.
One of the family members, identified Mara-La-go and Donald Trump as being the starting point of when Virginia Giuffre was victimized, which is what the evidence/facts suggest too. All 4 family members strongly want these files to be released. Trump could release them right now IF HE WANTED.
More than anything they do NOT want a deal cut for Maxwell who has lied many times before and will lie again to get a better deal from Trump.
Of the many predators, that so far have all escaped any accountability, the 2 that we have the most powerful LEGALLY significant circumstantial evidence of them playing key roles in these crimes are Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.
Maybe this will open the door for victims, that understandably fear for their lives, to find the courage to speak out and identify some of these serial, criminal predators.
We should strongly support them and even if they remain too fearful for us to ever know who they are, pray for them and continue to seek justice for them.
Testifying at Maxwell’s trial in New York City, the woman, identified by the pseudonym Jane, said she met the former president in the 1990s at his Mar-a-Lago resort.
Dec. 1, 2021, 1:23 PM CST / Updated Dec. 1, 2021, 7:15 PM CST
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Jane was one of two victims from Florida to take the stand. The other, Carolyn Andriano, 36, of Wellington was found dead a year after Maxwell's sentencing from an accidental drug overdose in a West Palm Beach hotel room. At least one juror said he found her testimony so compelling that it helped lead the group to a guilty verdict.
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These women must be justifiably petrified that these rich and powerful men will kill them if they speak out!! 3 of them that spoke out have died already, in addition to Epstein. Since we don't even know the names of all these victims, there's a pretty good chance that others have also died.
They were teenagers at the time, with a life expectancy of at least 60 more years!
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Donald Trump will NEVER release information that points to his involvement. The only chance is to hold him accountable is if actual victims speaking out.......but they have been too afraid for their lives.
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This article is more than 8 years old
Sat 5 Nov 2016 09.33 EDT
The woman, who had filed suit earlier this year under the pseudonym Jane Doe, had alleged that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein had raped her in 1994, when she was a 13-year-old aspiring model.
This week she abruptly canceled a plan to speak publicly about the allegations, and another attorney, Lisa Bloom, cited “numerous threats” against her client.
“She has been here all day, ready to do it, but unfortunately she is in terrible fear,” Bloom said on Wednesday. Bloom’s mother, Gloria Allred, is an attorney representing several women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct.
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This was BEFORE Epstein was arrested and charged!
Josh Russell / September 30, 2016
https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/
Tiffany Doe claims she convinced the then-13-year-old plaintiff to attend the parties as a means to break in to New York's professional modeling world. In her declaration, Tiffany Doe says she witnessed four sexual encounters in which Jane Doe was forced to have sex with Trump, and two encounters involving the plaintiff and Jeffrey Epstein.
The Tiffany Doe declaration included Epstein's threats against her and her family for disclosing the details of any sexual abuse of minors by Epstein and his party guests, swearing under penalty of perjury that she understands that her and her family's lives are "now in grave danger."
The new complaint includes an additional witness exhibit from an anonymous "Joan Doe" whose sworn declaration says Jane Doe told her what happened with Trump and Epstein during the 1994-1995 school year.
The sudden transfer comes a week after Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche — the DOJ’s second-in-command and formerly President Trump’s defense lawyer — huddled all day with the disgraced British socialite and her lawyer at the US Attorney’s Office in Tallahassee.
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Maxwell is already getting something from Trump in advance for her to lie about Donald Trumps criminal behavior as a serial predator of women that sometimes included underage girls.
Chances that Trump will intentionally release any of the information that implicates his guilt?
0.0001%
However, because he often has horrible judgment, along with his impulsive, pathological thinking/reasoning, he frequently UNINTENTIONALLY implicates himself with what he thinks is a plan that exonerates him.
For Pete's sake, this is the most powerful man in the world that I'm describing with an accurate, objective analysis. Much of his decision making about everything is suspect because of his mental illness thats independent of his crimes as a serial predator.
Chances that Trump will distort/manipulate/censor/block/ban/black out/redact/twist and lie to cover his crimes?
100.000%.
Just another reminder. I voted for Donald J Trump in November 2024 because I believed him about ending the Ukraine war, which has caused 1.5 million casualties and also in November 2016. In 2020, they both were so bad that I drove to the parking lot to vote, sat in my car for 20 minutes and couldn't go in to vote because I could never find a reason to vote for Biden or Trump with numerous reasons to NOT vote for both of them.