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IN ALL SERIOUSNESS... THOSE PRETEND "FEMALES" , WOULD BE HIGH SOPRANOS, FOR LIFE... IF ONLY THE REAL FEMALES WOULD STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES.
Riley Gaines. If you have not heard of her, look her up and you have not listened to her every American need to.....one of the bravest little girls in the country
That first post was pretty funny, mcfarm.
While I strongly believe in respecting ALL human beings, especially those that are different than us, on this issue its a no brainer based on all medical science, anatomy and sports and FAIRNESS.
Here's a group that thinks otherwise:
PARTICIPATION OF TRANSGENDER ATHLETES
IN WOMEN’S SPORTS
II. DO MALE TO FEMALE TRANSGENDER ATHLETES HAVE
A PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE IN COMPETITION AGAINST
NON-TRANSGENDER FEMALES?
No. If a young person transitions from male to female prior to puberty, as in the case of some transgender people, no
accommodation is necessary at all and this student should be treated as any other competitor in girls’ or women’s sports.
Additionally, if a transgender student transitions after puberty, medical experts increasingly agree that the effects of taking
female hormones negate any strength and muscular advantage that testosterone may have provided and places a male-to-female
transgender athlete who has completed her transition in the same general range of strength and performance exhibited by non-
transgender females who are competing. A female-to-male transgender athlete has no physical advantage before, during or after
transition and should be permitted to participate fully on male sports teams.
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Great interview from a wonderful person/spokesperson!
Caitlyn Jenner on Transgender Athletes in Sports | The Forward with Lance Armstrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_F3twM6MhM
Bruce..........I mean Caitlyn(how many people still think that?) rightly insists that we must base this on fairness, not equity.
Equity is a wonderful objective that can be accomplished in most realms without hurting others in that realm.
However in this realm, the objective is not inclusion but a competition that gives tremendous weighting to the results, especially as the level of competition advances.
I know of some rec soccer and other sports teams with young children that are from both genders. No big deal. Little boys and little girls have a smaller disparity in athletic performance and the outcomes of competitions are not as important.
More in a minute
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Back to this nonsense stated above:
"Additionally, if a transgender student transitions after puberty, medical experts increasingly agree that the effects of taking
female hormones negate any strength and muscular advantage that testosterone may have provided and places a male-to-female
transgender athlete who has completed her transition in the same general range of strength and performance exhibited by non-
transgender females who are competing"
That's totally false.
As Caitlyn states several times in the interview, she would feel guilty competing in a womens sporting event, golf for instance(where she can out drive all the other women by 100 feet thanks to her genetically male body, with LOW testosterone). She says she can crush other women because she's in a man's body.
There's a great deal more to athletic performance than just testosterone levels.
Additional testosterone can BUILD ON the potential your body had when you were born or it can TAKE AWAY some of that potential but the potential of that body is based on genetics that are strongly linked the X and Y chromosome.
Part of Mike Tyson's aggressiveness was linked to high testosterone but who thinks that giving him female hormones and putting him in a boxing ring with women means it would be a level playing field?
With low testosterone, he might not have been as ferocious in fighting again men but his tremendous power would have obliterated the best woman boxer in the world with one arm tied behind his back.
And if that wasn't the case, then gifted female athletes would only need to take testosterone and they could make millions of dollars a year playing in the NFL against mens bodies. The anabolic steroids make them stronger in their female body and better than no steroids and probably even strong than most men if they have gifted genetics but never stronger than the strongest men who are completely natural. NEVER!
Elite level male athletes, given female hormones would still completly obliterate womens records in their sport.
Let's say, for both genders, we used a scale of 1-10, with the best in the world being a 10 to rate an athletes performance.
Adding or subtracting male hormones can add or subtract 1 or even 2 to their performance.
In some power, speed and strength sports a man who at 8 is better than every woman at 10.
So if you have a male body capable of being a 10 level athlete and take away the testosterone and drop it to an 8, it's still better than every 10 on the womans scale because it's a Caitlyn Jenner's body which is a woman inside A MAN'S BODY.
I used to be a competitive body builder and power lifter.
Watch this video. Note at the lower weight classes, the men are not that much stronger than the women but are STILL STRONGER.
At the higher weight classes the disparity grows with the size of the body. Of course muscle and testosterone has alot to do with it but if you had given the strongest men at the end of the video female hormones for 5 years, I'm 100% certain they could still obliterate the women's world record by 100+ lbs!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1YQFiMKF4
Man, watching that video get's me PUMPED UP!!
That was so much fun, let's do it with the bench press!!
Even a bigger disparity in some cases because men's genetic UPPER BODIES have an even BIGGER advantage compared to women than their LOWER BODIES.
That's just a rock solid scientific/medical fact.
Finishing it off with the squat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrOobUuyr3A
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Let's repeat the statement in the article at the top again:
III. DO MALE TO FEMALE TRANSGENDER ATHLETES HAVE
A PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE IN COMPETITION AGAINST
NON-TRANSGENDER FEMALES?
No. If a young person transitions from male to female prior to puberty, as in the case of some transgender people, no
accommodation is necessary at all and this student should be treated as any other competitor in girls’ or women’s sports.
Additionally, if a transgender student transitions after puberty, medical experts increasingly agree that the effects of taking
female hormones negate any strength and muscular advantage that testosterone may have provided and places a male-to-female
transgender athlete who has completed her transition in the same general range of strength and performance exhibited by non-
transgender females who are competing.
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Wanna bet!!!!!!!!!!
wow, you would think the crazys spraying that nonsense were exposed at early age to Harvard, upenn, mit etc
Here's good stuff more:
Okay, this is what we’re here for. I chose to include only the most often contested Olympic events and not the special ones like the 300m or 600m which are very rarely seen in the senior ranks.
| Event | Men’s WR | Women’s WR | Percentage of the WR | Inferior by |
| 100m | 9.58 | 10.49 | 91.33% | 8.67% |
| 200m | 19.19 | 21.34 | 89.93% | 10.07% |
| 400m | 43.03 | 47.60 | 90.40% | 9.60% |
| 800m | 1:40.91 | 1.53.28 | 89.08% | 10.92% |
| 1500m | 3:26.00 | 3:49.11 | 89.54% | 10.46% |
| 5000m | 12:35.36 | 14:05.20 | 89.22% | 10.78% |
| 10000m | 26:11.00 | 29:01.03 | 90.23% | 9.77% |
| Marathon | 02:01:09 | 02:14:04 | 90.74% | 9.26% |
| 4x100m Relay | 36.84 | 40.82 | 90.25% | 9.75% |
| 4x400m Relay | 2:54.29 | 3:15.17 | 89.30% | 10.70% |
| Long jump | 8.95 | 7.52 | 84.02% | 15.98% |
| Triple jump | 18.29 | 15.67 | 85.68% | 14.32% |
| High jump | 2.45 | 2.09 | 85.31% | 14.69% |
| Pole vault | 6.22 | 5.06 | 81.61% | 18.65% |
In running events women’s world records are on average 90.02% as fast as the men’s world records and 84.09% as long/high in the jumping events.
In the track world records, I would say those are all drug tested performances, so those athletes are competing with the natural levels of testosterone.......obviously the men were much higher than the women.
In the power lifting videos, I didn't seen any mention of this being drug free, so one guesses that both the men and women were likely taking testosterone supplements.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-powerlifting-tells-us-about-the-effects-of-peds/
An athlete lives at the whim of a sport’s rules, and when those rules change, so can their career. This happened to Mike Bridges. You’ve probably never heard of him, but he’s one of the strongest men who’s ever lived, and he was a powerlifting god in the early 1980s.
Bridges weighed just 173 pounds, but at the 1983 U.S. Powerlifting Federation’s (USPF) national championships, he bench pressed, squatted and dead lifted1 a combined 2,011 pounds. But when Bridges took the stage later that year at the International Powerlifting Federation (IPF) championships in Gotenborg, Sweden, and fired off the three lifts, his typical strength wasn’t there. He totaled just 1,780 pounds — 231 pounds, or 11.5 percent, less than he’d lifted four months before. What’s more, nearly every powerlifter who competed at the U.S. competition and went on to the IPF event saw a significant drop.2
What happened? In 1983, the IPF began to test athletes for performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs).
This is just showing how much stronger(untested) anabolic steroid using athletes are in mens sports. It shows the difference that extra testosterone can make in a strength sports athlete.
However, its INDEPENDENT of the numerous physiological differences between the genetic bodies of men vs women that give men's bodies a huge physical advantage in most sports.
Back to the original organization and their insistence that there's no difference in men and women if you take away the testosterone.
We know with absolute scientific and empirical data driven certainty that they are WRONG with that position.
So then, we have to look for the reason to ignore science/data/genetics and critical thinking.
https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/who-we-are/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Sports_Foundation
The Women's Sports Foundation (WSF) is a 501(c)(3) educational nonprofit charity focused on female involvement in sports. Founded in 1974 by tennis player Billie Jean King and initially supported by Olympic athletes Donna de Varona and Suzy Chaffee, its stated mission statement is "To advance the lives of girls and women through sports and physical activity.
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Without additional information, we just have to assume this is very political for the WSF and they're blinded by their politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_in_Women%27s_Sports_Act
The Fairness In Women's Sports Act is a common title for legislation passed in Idaho, Florida, and Arkansas that restricts participation in interscholastic, intercollegiate, intramural, club athletic teams, and any sports sponsored by a public school or university based on the biological sex of the individual. The legislation was introduced in response to concerns that allowing transgender females to compete in women's sports would create an unfair advantage due to their physiological differences. Legislation of this nature has been introduced in several states across the US and is part of a national debate over whether transgender athletes should be allowed to compete in sports teams based on their gender identity. Supporters of the laws argue that it is necessary to maintain fair competition and protect the integrity of women's sports, while opponents argue that they are discriminatory and unjust. Much of the current legislation is facing legal challenges and criticism from advocates for transgender rights, who argue that they perpetuate harmful stereotypes and ignore the diversity of gender identities.
ABOVE: Map of state laws which ban transgender athletes from participating in the sport of their gender identity, as of September 2022:
RED: Law enacted which bans trans athletes from participating in sports based on their gender identity; enforces gender classifications in sports based on registered biological sex.
ORANGE: Law preventing trans athletes from participating in sport in their gender identity enacted, but currently blocked from enforcement via court order
metmike: Note how this map above, also lines up closely with political ideologies in those states as shown from the voting in the 2020 presidential election below:
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https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/notes-on-the-state-of-politics-march-1-2023/
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Let's repeat the science from the article at the top:
Alison Heather, a Professor of Physiology at the University of Otago in New Zealand studied the physiological differences between biological women and biological men and how gender-affirming hormone therapy affects those differences. She asserts there are immutable differences between the sexes in the brain, skeletal structure, and cardiorespiratory system and differences in muscle mass, strength, and aerobic capacity which can be modified through hormone therapy. Heather attributes these cardiorespiratory differences to the levels of testosterone exposure in the first years of life. While accounting for sex variation, cisgender women have a 10-12% smaller lung capacity than cisgender men and a shorter diaphragm. Similarly, a cis woman’s heart is 85% the size of a cis man’s heart. Additionally, Heather found biological males have an advantage in spatial ability, visual memory tasks, and perception. When compared with trans women after a year of estrogen therapy, there was no decrease in these cognitive advantages. Prolonged estrogen therapy can diminish some of these advantages but hormone therapy does not transform and trans woman’s brain into that of a cis woman’s brain. Heather also found that estrogen therapy cannot alter skeletal structure, but it does diminish muscle mass
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Crystal clearly, the red states are following the AUTHENTIC science and the blue(gray) states are following POLITICS AND JUNK science.