I've always seen both sides on this issue. What do you think?
The most amazing thing for me today was listening to the extreme, emotional reactions. Many people just spouting nonsense.
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson called the court's decision outlawing affirmative action a 'tragedy' with 'ostrich-like' logic
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/thomas-blasts-jacksons-race-infused-world-view
The Queen of Nonsense gives her opinion:
Michelle Obama that knows better gives us her nonsense:
“My heart breaks for any young person out there who’s wondering what their future holds,” the former first lady wrote.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/29/michelle-obama-affirmative-action-00104211
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Again, I see both sides and have not been opposed to Affirmative Action but why aren't all these sources/hypocrites, getting bent out of shape by this decision, pushing the K-12 education opportunities and helping to improve the environments of young black people, instead of blaming racist cops for the 6 times higher violent crime rates committed by young black men. Blaming the Supreme Court. Blaming Rs. Blaming racism.
How about taking responsibility and holding the ones causing the real problems accountable.
Better trained cops are a good thing but they won't cause 1 violent criminal to stop their crimes or give them a better education or a better family life. It's a good thing to enroll more blacks in college. I'm not against that. But using that as a fix for the REAL problem.......society, especially the D mentality we got all day today that gives blacks things by lowering the standards is far inferior than to work on motivating young black people. Making changes to their environment that yields positive changes so they earn success.
I was strongly for Affirmative Action in its early stages as a TEMPORARY way to assist blacks who's families did not have the same college tradition and opportunities to push their children to go to college.
50 years worth of affirmative action is 2 generations of blacks living with that advantage, along with massive changes to laws and society that have created much more equality.
If that hasn't been long enough, then OTHER realms are the ones that need fixing EVEM MORE.
Of the ones bitching the most here, (and pulling out the race card again) I didn't hear 1 of them looking outside of Affirmative Action as a solution or having constructive ideas.
These have been some of my ideas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53752/#53753
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53282/#53284
Affirmative action should not be the permanent fix. It's time to wake up and make REAL changes in the communities that feature the at risk blacks(and poor) when they are growing up. Making their lives easier instead of challenging them and holding them accountable to the same rules/laws as non minorities will result in them being weaker, less motivated, less successful. Less responsive.
The more you give somebody that didn't earn it, the less they appreciate it. The less successful they are.
The harder you work to earn something, the greater the reward.
One of the black ladies on The View with Whoppi, said that her dad told her that she had to work twice as hard to get half as far as a white person.
Seriously? Racist rhetoric! Political rhetoric!
The main problem is blacks not working AS hard and committing 6 times more violent crime. Teaching all people to work hard and follow the same rules/laws as everybody else is what we need, not COUNTERproductive bs about being victims in a society of systemic racists trying to keep blacks from succeeding.
I'VE NEVER APPROVED OF THAT & I'M HAPPY IT'S FINALLY ENDED
Hey Mike,
Good post. Whereas I can appreciate different views on this and am open-minded, the gist of what you said makes pretty good sense to me.
HOW MANY ATHLETES GET IN????????????? ARE THEY SMART 'NUFF?
finally the common sense portion of the SC came forward. One of them made the point that this over turned decision was 40 years in the making. Damn just read what our founders put forward, they covered this. That Jackson is a piece of work.
Instead of just making this a post in this thread, I elevated it to be read by everybody that comes here, hopefully.
News story of the week-CNN
Started by metmike - June 30, 2023, 5:33 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96889/
I was very touched watching this just now on CNN.
Florida police officer makes a difference in kids' lives
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This is the solution!
Recruit cops (and others) that are suited (background checks to keep the predators out).
Train them and Pay them to make extra money. There is no more important job than providing positive role models and mentoring our at risk youth.
Instead of lowering standards for them, raise them up to the standards we want for all Americans to meet!
If we spent just $10,000 on each at risk kid in a program like this (starting at a very young age) we could touch 1 million lives in a profound way with just $10 billion.
$50 billion would touch 5 million lives......ALL OF THEM!
That's less than half the money sent to Ukraine.
That's 10% of the money going to crony capitalism and counter productive energy policies with the fake climate crisis/inflation reduction act.
We can solve this problem but our politicians and leaders are too self absorbed in enriching themselves and their agenda to keep power.
Here's the best thing about that $50 billion.
We would get it back X 10 because it would be an investment in our youth.
Saving money by reducing the massive cost of crime. The cost of housing criminals in prison. Massively increasing the productivity of our least productive people.
National Institute of Justice
Victim Costs and Consequences:
A New Look
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/victcost.pdf
These tangible losses do not account for the
full impact of crime on victims, however, because they ig-
nore pain, suffering, and lost quality of life. Including pain,
suffering, and the reduced quality of life increases the cost
of crime to victims to an estimated $450 billion annually.
Violent crime (including drunk driving and arson) accounts
for $426 billion of this total, property crime $24 billion.
These estimates exclude several crimes that were not in-
cluded in this study but that also have large impacts, nota-
bly many forms of white collar crime (including personal
fraud) and drug crimes.
Below are some yardsticks that put the costs into context.
n Violent crime causes 3 percent of U.S. medical spending
and 14 percent of injury-related medical spending.
n Violent crime results in wage losses equivalent to 1
percent of American earnings.
n Violent crime is a significant factor in mental health care
usage. As much as 10 to 20 percent of mental health care
expenditures in the United States may be attributable to
crime, primarily for victims treated as a result of their vic-
timization. About half of these expenditures are for child
abuse victims who are receiving treatment for abuse experi-
enced years earlier. These estimates do not include any
treatment for perpetrators of violence.
n Personal crime reduces the average American’s quality of
life by 1.8 percent. Violence alone causes a 1.7 percent
loss. These estimates are conservative. They include only
costs to victimized households, ignoring the broader
impact of crime-induced fear on our society
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The key is to not just GIVE money away to poor families in need/welfare like we do now. Make it mandatory that poor children at risk participate to get a penny.
Have the program available for others not on government assistance. It can be done thru the schools. Ideally with 1 parent but don't require the parent to participate or you may lose the kid. A rigorous program designed to have life changing impacts which breaks the vicious cycle their family may be caught in.
Make parenting classes mandatory in high school. Being a parent is the most important job anybody will ever have.
https://www.nccp.org/publication/young-children-at-risk/
I used to be against affirmative action. Then I learned that I've been living in a culture of white affirmative action.
My synagogue partnered with a high school with a predominantly minority population. They invited our members to come and speak to the seniors on what they called career day. The only stipulation was that in addition to sharing our professional experience, we also had to have a job interview opportunity for a single summer job for one kid. Not a guaranteed job, just an opportunity to interview for it. And what students would be allowed this interview? ONLY those students with high academic achievement and no incidents of misbehavior. In other words, the cream of the crop. The idea was to spur passion for a positive direction in life.
I excitedly volunteered and set about to find a summer job opportunity on the CME trading floor. I remember from my clerking days that people took vacations in the summer and there were numerous summer job openings to pick up the slack. I knew 2 different floor managers and approached them about getting a smart, upstanding kid a job interview. They both said that the jobs had been promised to the boss's nephew coming home from college for the summer or "my friend's kid".
The talented upstanding minority student never even got the interview. In fact, he/she never learned that the door had closed on that opportunity. And what were the qualifications of those kids who did get it? They knew somebody. And what was their race? Take a wild guess.
So yeah, I'm against affirmative action. How are we going to end white affirmative action? When you come up with a solution that keeps the doors for opportunity open, then, and only then, will I be in agreement with the Supreme Court's decision.
Great points.
I just sent a response that was lost from service issues at home and will try back later.