Mass Starvation
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Started by wglassfo - June 9, 2020, 12:18 p.m.

I have posted about locust eating crops. Some estimate a single swarm can eat aa much food aas 1000's of humans would in a single day. [I forget how many 1000 humans equal one swarm]. 

The swarms have decimatd eastern Africa, and moved into India and Pakistan. Arial spraying has been taking place, but the swarms are so numerous, that spraying has little effect

This is on the otheer side of the world and thus e simply aren't doing much of anything, although we have ample grain supplies, somebody has to pay for the grain

The U.N is saying that starvation is already happening, but do we really care, as in enough to supply enough food. 

As I said this is on the other side of the world and we want to be paid for our grain supplies

Here at home several house holds are rationing available food as money and food banks are not sufficient. Once again who will pay for the food. Obviously some do not have enough money to buy food

Do we really care or do we point to the severely over weight person and say a tad less food would be better. Are all hungry people in the USA a tad over weight and food rationing is a good idea

Funny thing. I don't remember one over weight person on the street in china. You would think they must have some but if so, not very many and not where I could find them. Mind you they walk and bicycle a lot.

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By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:03 a.m.
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By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:19 a.m.
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Rolling emergency’ of locust swarms decimating Africa, Asia and Middle East

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jun/08/rolling-emergency-of-locust-swarms-decimating-africa-asia-and-middle-east



“Despite the successes of the control measures and the stroke of luck of where desert locusts have or have not entered due to environmental reasons, we do expect the impacts of desert locusts to contribute to the food-insecure population in parts of Ethiopia, parts of Somalia and parts of south-east South Sudan,” she said.

 Fews Net predicted locusts could damage enough crops to feed 280,000 people for six months in Somalia.

The current locust outbreak originated in Yemen, where breeding conditions created by unseasonable rains combined with ongoing conflict had allowed an almost unchecked outbreak.

Cressman said Yemen had “become a reservoir” that could continue to stoke the crisis because it was still unable to monitor and control locusts. As well as the fighting, heavy rains that were once unusual have become an almost monthly occurrence.





By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:23 a.m.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_locust_infestation


The 2019-20 locust infestation in Africa, the Arabian Peninsula and South Asia is an outbreak of desert locusts which is threatening the food supply across the region. The outbreak is the worst in 70 years in Kenya and the worst in 25 years in Ethiopia, Somalia and India.[2] The plague began in June 2019 and has continued through 2020. 

The current outbreak began with heavy rains in 2018 in the Rub' al Khali of the Arabian Peninsula[3]; in Spring 2019, swarms spread from these areas, and by June 2019, the locusts spread north to Iran, Pakistan, and India and south to East Africa, particularly the Horn of Africa.[3] By the end of 2019, there were swarms in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Oman, Iran, India, and Pakistan.[4] 

By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:34 a.m.
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You could say that this is part of the current climate optimum the last 40 years that has featured the best weather/climate on this greening planet in at least the past 1,000 years.

It's been wonderful for almost all life...............good and bad, including locusts from the additional rains.

If you really want to hurt life or have a REAL climate crisis............have another Ice Age and watch it die.

Historically, widespread droughts and deserts in these areas mean that locusts don't have much food and don't breed to these massive numbers.


Deserts 'greening' from rising CO2

https://phys.org/news/2013-07-greening-co2.html


                            

                    

Satellite data shows the per cent amount that foliage cover has changed around the world from 1982 to 2010. Click for a full-sized and detailed image.

 Increased levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) have helped boost green foliage across the world’s arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called CO2 fertilisation, according to CSIRO research.

In findings based on satellite observations, CSIRO, in collaboration with the Australian National University (ANU), found that this CO2 fertilisation correlated with an 11 per cent increase in foliage cover from 1982-2010 across parts of the arid areas studied in Australia, North America, the Middle East and Africa, according to CSIRO research scientist, Dr Randall Donohue.

                                    


                

By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:36 a.m.
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This is just part of the entire planet greening up from the climate optimum and increase in CO2:

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds

                   https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

      

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

globe of Earth from North Pole perspectiveThis image shows the change in leaf area across the globe from 1982-2015.



By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:39 a.m.
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Green leaves use energy from sunlight through photosynthesis to chemically combine carbon dioxide drawn in from the air with water and nutrients tapped from the ground to produce sugars, which are the main source of food, fiber and fuel for life on Earth. Studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth.


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/47705/

The scientists have now established the planet is greener than it has been in the early 1980s. Forecast up until the year 2100 show the planet will likely become even greener.

Global warming: Greening forecast until 2100

Global warming: Greening is expected to carry on until the end of the century (Image: SHILONG P et al.)


By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:46 a.m.
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The only way to have our cake and eat it too here is for humans to adapt by managing the locust outbreaks using chemical warfare.

Despite the locusts  populating to massive numbers and eating alot of food because of the additional rains,  food production from climate change and the increase in CO2 far, far exceeds the damage from the locusts.


https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Field_Crops/soyyld.php


Soybeans: Yield by Year, US


Global cereal supplies are adequate amid COVID-19 shocks to economic growth and energy markets 

http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/













Not only are people NOT starving/dying from climate change, if we went back to the old climate from 100 years ago(drop temp by 1 Deg. C and drop CO2 back to 300PPM) over a billion people would starve to death within 3 years and food prices would triple!!!

We are having a climate optimum.

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Edit: If you go to the link above, the revised update is calling for a new record for stocks. Things keep getting better and better....even as they tell us for 35 years straight .........that things will get worse. How can they be so wrong for so long and still people believe in the climate crisis fairy tale?

OK, I copied the update for 2020/2021 below:

Global cereal production, utilization, stocks and trade all set to rise to new records in 2020/21

 http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/


By wglassfo - June 10, 2020, 4:55 a.m.
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The planet as a whole may be greener but it is the same problem

Distrribution of resources from have to have not

Wealth, food you name it

Greener does not benefit everybody when natural disasters wipe out a yrs worth of food

Wealth is a bit of an issue if you are unemployed and you ar slightly hungry

Locust destroying a yrs worth of food is quit another problem

Many did not participate in greening of the planet if your food is gone, but my farm has plenty of food

So should we be happy that fewer people have no food

Should the UN be responsible to feed the world when food is unavailable

IMO nobody really cares enough to provide enough food

It isn't as if we don't have enough food

We don't have enough people who care to pay for distribution of food

A problem as old as the world I suspect

Who much would it cost everybody with more money thn basic income to contribute a small sum in txes to feed the starving

I would get paid for my grain, I would pay slightly more in taxes and everybody should be happy

Except those that pay a small amount in taxes would grumble about the tax and not care how many people starve.

Obviously a problem bigger thn non profit charity can handle

Bill Gates solution is genocide [sterilization] to reduce the world population

By metmike - June 10, 2020, 12:17 p.m.
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Wayne,

I totally get the point that crops are being destroyed in this large area and it doesn't matter to them, what the rest of the world is doing.

The local supplies are being decimated and can't be replaced easily.  Additionally, income generated by raising crops vanishes for those people.


But the rest of the world is huge and continues to benefit from the increasing atmospheric fertilizer, beneficial gas, CO2, along with the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years. 

That is the BIG picture. 

This assures us, for now at least that the world is NOT going to have a problem providing MOST of the people with food because of climate change caused supply disruptions that we have been told is the major threat.

The inability to transport the abundant food where its needed is another issue which has been getting better.

I often hear  that the advancements in technology are responsible for all the increases in crop yields/food production. Some of them, maybe 75%, yes.

But the planet massively greening up the past 40 years has nothing to do with technological advances. It includes areas where human are hardly present.

CO2 is well mixed in the global atmosphere.............it goes everywhere. This, and favorable weather(which humans can't control) is greening up the planet and adding an additional 25% to world food production. 

Go back to the old climate without this, in a world that now has many times more people then when the old climate was feeding the world...........and a billion people would not have enough food. 

Global supplies of cereal grains, soybeans and other crops would not meet demand. 

Stocks would drop to precariously low levels. 

The limited supplies would cause food prices to triple as we ration the limited supplies with higher prices. 

But climate change is preventing that because we are having a climate optimum by every standard in science and agriculture.

The only place where a climate crisis exists is in  politics based on computer simulations of a future world that have been wrong about the important things for 40 years.

The locusts know a climate optimum when they see one and are taking advantage of part of it.  The additional rains in these areas that normally suffer from drought and not enough rain..........could be seen as beneficial............if not for the locusts.

Very saddening to see these poor people that, even in the best of times are challenged to have enough food and fresh water and of course they never have much of the technology and conveniences that we take for granted in the Western World. 

Interesting point.

The climate part of the Climate Accord is fraudulent. However, the global socialism platform that defines it and what its really about............would help poor people and poor countries like this. 

I'm all for that but PLEASE, don't hijack my profession, atmospheric science and brainwash people with propoganda and lies to accomplish your altruistic objectives.

Just tell the truth. If people won't support the truth(to help the poor) than do we trick them by telling lies for the benefit of poor people in other countries?

There is something called FREEDOM. This also includes being entitled to authentic information to allow us to make our own decisions based on trustworthy sources and the FREEDOM to choose what to do with our money/resources and who to vote for and what policies to vote for based on AUTHENTIC information.

Tricking us with lies about needing to save the planet from a fake climate crisis just doesn't cut it. 

I would be very strongly in favor of actually doing some of the things that the fake climate crisis wants to do...........if it wasn't based on huge lies.


By wglassfo - June 11, 2020, 10:20 a.m.
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Hi Mike

You asked me to please stop telling lies

I don't think I told any lies but if I did please tell me what I said. That accusation bothers me a lot, but if I did, I will correct my post

my point was essentially re-distribution of resources, to those affected with no food, which is as old as the world I suspect

Now back to increasing planet greening up

I agree your maps tell a powerful story

but on our farm we have increased yields by 20-30-40 bu/acre over past approx. 40 yr.  and that is the max gradual increase

Some is climate, [our growing season is longer]

Some is variety. I know because things that used to rob yield are no longer a factor

We are mag deficient in our area, but variety has solved most of that problem, plus we do a better job soil testing and variable fert application, which I suppose is advances in technology. Our planter even has variable population and fert variable rate. We do a much better job of plant emergence, which is better technology and yrs of trial and error, with fert useage with different mixtures, timing of application and a better planter

Just telling you what has happened on our farm with advanced technology. Yes climate has helped but not 100%

I have no way to measure climate to yield on our farm, but I would guess we would still grow a surplus in NA. The rest of the world may depend more on climate as their technology may not be as advanced but some places are even more advanced in technology than NA. The EU is an example of advanced grain production technology superior to NA

I can say with out a  word of a lie that our farm and many others have increased yield which is not 100% due to climate. Could we feed the world?/ Don't know as distribution of food equally to those in need has never been done, from the start of time as we know it.

If I lied tell me where because that was not my intention

By metmike - June 11, 2020, 11:18 a.m.
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"You asked me to please stop telling lies

I don't think I told any lies but if I did please tell me what I said. That accusation bothers me a lot, but if I did, I will correct my post"


Wayne,

You misunderstood me!  I was referring to the description of the fake climate crisis by some that use it for a political agenda, not you. 

I'm very sorry for not making that clear..........but you know now that is not my view.

Even if somebody does/did lie, to personally accuse them of being a liar is disrespectful because you can never know what exactly is going on in the other persons head.


Wayne,

I copied the part that you must have thought was directed at you below.  This was 0% directed at you or anything that you stated but was about the Climate Accord.


"The climate part of the Climate Accord is fraudulent. However, the global socialism platform that defines it and what its really about............would help poor people and poor countries like this.

I'm all for that but PLEASE, don't hijack my profession, atmospheric science and brainwash people with propoganda and lies to accomplish your altruistic objectives.

Just tell the truth. If people won't support the truth(to help the poor) than do we trick them by telling lies for the benefit of poor people in other countries?

There is something called FREEDOM. This also includes being entitled to authentic information to allow us to make our own decisions based on trustworthy sources and the FREEDOM to choose what to do with our money/resources and who to vote for and what policies to vote for based on AUTHENTIC information.

Tricking us with lies about needing to save the planet from a fake climate crisis just doesn't cut it. 

I would be very strongly in favor of actually doing some of the things that the fake climate crisis wants to do...........if it wasn't based on huge lies."


By wglassfo - June 11, 2020, 11:44 a.m.
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Tks Mike

I did not think I understood properly

By metmike - June 17, 2020, 1:10 p.m.
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Wayne,

How about eating those locusts?

Could entomophagy end U.S. and African protein shortages?


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/06/16/could-entomophagy-end-u-s-and-african-protein-shortages/

Enormous nets strung between two trucks or airplanes could harvest millions of locusts at a time. Thousands could be employed constructing and operating food processing facilities, hauling insects to them, running them through roasting ovens and freeze drying machines, packing and shipping the finished delicacies to hungry families around Africa and North America, and teaching people to savor them.


You should start eating bugs. Here’s how.

https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/insect-bug-eating-guide/