Another embarrassing show at the Ohio plant, it honestly was embarrassing to read it.
I know next to nothing about political infighting, the reasons for it and the benefits of it. I don’t care for it, I don’t treat it like a sport or sideshow.
I know there are some folks who support Mr Trump for some very well intended reasons, reasons I may respectfully disagree with but I have no doubt their reasons are thoughtfully considered.
My question is, don’t displays like this make you cringe a little ? The article I read said the crowd was pretty quiet when Mr Trump was deepest into his condemnation of McCain. Doesn’t his handlers know this is going over ? Why keep going back to it ?
It almost seems he’s mad at McCain for dying.
Thoughts on a beautiful Saturday ?
Trump is a nauseatingly disgusting human being who is extremely divisive. A simple explanation may be Trump is psychotic. What’s more inexplicable to me is why so many of his supporters give him a pass for his awful behavior. I’m genuinely concerned about the future of the US based on this support. Remember when he said he could shoot an innocent person and still have heavy support? He may not be far from the truth! And why does he have so much evangelical support? That makes no sense.
Although a proud right of center independent who used to vote overwhelmingly GOP and whose favorite POTUS during lifetime by far has been Reagan, I’m very disappointed with the GOP and this being like never before. Then again the Dem platform of borderline socialism and identity based policy has views that are largely far from mine and are getting further from what I’d prefer. So, I’m prouder than ever of being independent.
I sure wish someone like Kasich or Rubio would challenge Trump and that Biden wins the Dem nomination.
We should meet for a beer sometime, we could solve all the problems by the second pint.
Hey, you’re not some man bun wearing, vodka drinkin’ Yuppie are you ?
There's a special place in h377 for those who would keep spitting on a dead man's grave.
Hi mcfarmer,
I don't approve of trump acting this way but you asked, so I will respond.
It's because of even more compelling evidence to the point of indisputable now of MCcains role of the fraudulence of starting the current investigation of trump based on his colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 election.
McCain was a traitor to his constituents on Obama care because he used it to hurt Trump.
MCCain campaigned for re election based on repealing Obama care. He spent tons of money and ads telling his constituents that he would fight to repeal Obama Care.
Trump also did the same thing on the same issue to help him get elected. Then, when trumps legislation to repeal Obama care came up for a vote, both parties voted along party lines and there would only be enough votes to repeal it if MCCain voted with the republicans and the way that he promised...........prior to his feud with trump taking priority.
He voted to not repeal it and gave the insane reasoning of the repeal replacement did not go far enough, so we should keep Obama care like, the reasoning of a man dying of starvation, should not get any food because we aren't providing him with a full meal type logic.
He did this because his hatred of trump was more important than honoring his promises and being true to his constituents. This also why the democrats knew that they could count on his active role as the "Judas" of the Republican Party in the fraudulent compilation of evidence to start the investigation of trump.
I'll show you more later but one can understand why trump feels this way. However, his loose cannon, say what's on his mind with no control self, often revealing how flawed he is when it comes to emotions and personality traits..... is just providing the MSM with more ammo to blast at him with.
The MSM hated McCain in 2008. He was the Hitler type guy then. One reason that I voted for Obama then was because I agreed.
When he and trump got into the feud, the MSM turned McCain into a great hero and person.....for essentially becoming Judas to try to take out trump.
Please don't take this as me defending trump. I'm just telling you WHY he is doing it.
He knows that MCCain messed him over, there is no disputing that. He messed him over like nobody else could in that position as I already described.
However, trump is extraordinarily vindictive. He wants everybody to know what happened. He knows that the MSM have turned M into a hero and will never tell his side, so as always, he feels that only he can tell his side and that's exactly what he is doing.
Problem is the way that he tells his side is like somebody in the bar after getting loaded spews out all their pent up hatred or anger........and he is like that while intentionally communicating to the biggest audience possible.......while sober!
Mike, what role do you think the method of repeal played in McCain’s vote ?
From what I have read, and I haven’t read a lot about McCain, order was his hallmark.
He protested the manner in which the bill came to a vote, no discussion, no committees, no amendments etc. Some contend he felt it was not the way the senate should work.
I was all ready to vote for McCain until he picked Palin. He hammered Obama for lack of experience then picked a person with substantially less experience for his number two.
I've read a couple of very silly justifications for why McCain did not vote the way that he promised he would for years. None of them make sense.
The only thing that changed was that his hatred for Trump got the best of him in the end and resulted in him giving that priority over the Americans that he was representing, based on who they thought that he was and what he promised to them.
McCain was an extremely passionate guy and Trump brings out extreme passion in everybody. It's no stretch, watching America and the MSM caught up in the passionate hate for him(the MSM has discarded objectivity in their mission to destroy him) that one of the most passionate senators in our lifetime, would try to destroy the most easy to hate politician in our lifetime when that easy to hate politician from his own party claims that he's not a hero and they get into a major feud.
Sad ending to a lifetime of devoted service to his county acting with honor and integrity most of the time.
As you know, I am very anti foreign military interventions, including the Iraq War and our current presence in the Middle East. The last 60+ years have done many times more damage than an small benefits and killed thousands of our brave soldiers.
In 2008, I was a never McCain guy because he was "we stay in Iraq until the job is done"
Based on the past, with guys like him, the job is never done. If you look at the realities over there........it's impossible for the job to ever be done.
Will those people ever convert to democracies and leaders and agendas/policies that line up with the our industrial, military's objectives?
After the constant interventions for decades and decades, name the country that fits that description because of our positive influence that led them to that.
We hear that Iraq fell apart because we left too soon. Too soon, in the minds of those that wanted us there indefinately, was any time frame.
Despite my disagreement with McCain's military position, I greatly respected him until he took the real low road to hurt his American enemy in the end.
And just to repeat. Trump is being his own worst enemy right now...........again.
There is nothing to gain in doing this. However, in Trump's mind, he knows that McCain did some stuff to mess him over, some of it that was unscrupulous by most standards..........and got away with it.
He was buried as a hero and everybody said nothing but great things about McCain and nobody said much about what actually defined his behavior at the end with Trump.
Trump is still paying a price now, with the legislation defeat because of McCain and the investigation dragging on for 2 years that McCain played a role in. This absolutely does NOT justify bringing it back up.......its over and sometimes, you lose big battles...........Trump lost these and McCain won, then he went and died a hero before Trump could get him back.............otherwise known as revenge.
Trump just can't help himself because of not accepting the losses and can't put it completely behind him so he is compelled to use his unique method of communicating OVER the MSM, to his loyal flock that will understand and cheer for him and in his delusional mind, others that will hear HIS facts and have no choice but to see HIS views.
He assumes that this will never be on the MSN but that's not who is addresses with these type of rants.
However, the MSN is there to record his rants and use it as powerful ammo to discredit him even more. When he does stuff like this, even if he has the facts on McCain accurate, to continue a feud with a recently buried hero is beyond having any class. This is the sort of thing that is going to make it almost impossible to get re elected.
They are currently building up Bidens character........with stories like him emptying his pockets for the homeless person, while Trump, single handedly continues to destroy his own character.
The MSN have been actively campaigning against Trump in 2020 for 2+ years now. I'm thinking that no matter how good the economy and any of his other policies, his personality flaws,. demonstrated with this incident make it almost impossible to get re elected.
We elect presidents that we like. Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, B.Clinton, Obama and reject those we don't like Gore H.Clinton and now the Trump as he is acting today and the MSN has been dwelling on, while ignoring all of his accomplishments.
... just one more of the "SWAMP" dead or in jail or NOT seeking re-election....... McCain was the posterchild of term limits.... plus that pesky little unwarranted, F.I.S.A. warrant....
The MSM didn't make McCain a hero. Staying with his men in Hanoi did. PERIOD!!
the way these things usually happen is some troll in the msm will ask Trump a leading question and 'Trump being "Trump jumps right in. But atleast he gives an honest answer and not the usual pol bull crap "my good friend"...so he cannot win, should he be honest or lie like a pol?
McCain was pardoned by Richard Nixon for his war crimes. He was a war time traitor, not a hero. Widely reported that he was killed, or took his life for his relationship, leadership with ISIS
Kermit wrote: “McCain was pardoned by Richard Nixon for his war crimes. He was a war time traitor, not a hero.”
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The above written by Kermit is 100% false. It is BS. And the video he linked to is garbage. He is being smeared! Disgusting!
Here’s the truth:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-war-crimes/
I hope metmike and others comment about this garbage and support me on my refuting these lies. I won’t shut up about this until these lies are put to bed.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/20/trump-opens-mccains-treasonous-can-of-worms/
So is the Colonel lying?
33 POWs faced execution for treason after Vietnam until Nixon pardoned all POWs. McCain was on the list of the 33, in fact at the head of it.
Here are the facts as we know them:
These 4 accusations are the only real and supportable accusations against McCain. The evidence for these acts exists and is substantial.
don't know about McCain being treasonous but do know we can talk about the man honestly...and what he did with that fake dossier is a major problem and should be investigated fully. He did that for one reason, hatred of Trump, which shows a major character flaw
Larry is correct and has busted this false statement.
Along the same vein, cliff has decided to use this as an opportunity to suggest that Trump is neglecting his 13 year old son.
This is just another example how people today are so polarized and only see things from one side, that instead of looking at facts objectively(which I'm convinced a large portion of our world is incapable of doing), they believe only things that line up with their belief system and worse, spend much of their time searching for things on the internet that line up with their belief system to confirm it and then, to share it with others..........who amazingly they think will believe it is evidence, even when it's hogwash that can be easily busted by just looking quickly at the facts from the other side's point of view.
With regards to the details of what happened to McCain over there, there may be a lot that we don't know and I only read a couple of things. He acknowledes providing a confession while being tortured and maybe that led to this misinformation about him being a traitor.............and was his own worst critic on this admission.
If anybody here thinks that they could do better than he did, I'd like to hear why you think that. I actually can imagine what it was like over there for him. The amount of pain and suffering he went thru for all those years............because he was serving his country in a cause he believed passionately in............which defined him to the end.
He deserved and continues to deserve in a big way, to be recognized as a hero. Most hero's went thru far less than he did serving their country.
Try to imagine what it was like over there for him and use that to feel compassion for another human being vs seeing what he did in the end as the Judas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
He is clearly a hero.
That doesn't mean that hero's are perfect human beings the rest of their lives. What he did at the end, because of his feud with Trump(and because of a personality flaw (being vindictive) that caused him to abandon his promises to his constituents and party in order to win PERSONAL battles with his enemy........Trump) was still a hero acting in despicable fashion later in his life.
kermit’s credibility regarding McCain has been shot. He/she posted absolute lies as I showed above. I recommend folks not fall for anything kermit posts about McCain.
Edit: Thanks, Mike, for clearing up the falsehoods posted by kermit.
"kermit’s credibility regarding McCain has been shot"
No need to take it into a personal realm Larry.
Here is the way that I look at it. When people post stuff that I can bust on climate change........I look forward to the opportunity to bust them with contradicting information..........which I can do every time. This is not only powerful vindication but an opportunty to educate others with facts/evidence that conclusively show I am right and they are wrong.
It's counterproductive afterwards, to have another post that rubs it in to tell everybody that their credibility is shot.......in other words, "don't ever believe anything they say on this matter" after it's been resolved with the facts.
If the other party wants to continue, with more bogus stuff, I am actually thrilled because there are so many just like this that are convinced of something and it provides for wonderful opportunities to educate people in a field that few understand...........which is the objective.
Or, its possible that the other party will make a relevant point on the matter in their next poiint. How can you/we know they will not?
We proved that Nixon pardoning McCain was bogus. McCain was a hero. Maybe kermit has other points about McCain that neither of us have thought about, that might be true.
This was an opportunity to educate people on McCain's service to his country early in life that resulted in him being a hero.
kermit wrote:
“A bad slip of the tongue on CNN. How did that happen?”
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kermit is full of BS about McCain. He already posted lies above and metmike confirmed they were lies. Now he/she is suggesting McCain was executed instead of dieing of brain cancer? I can’t believe this person is posting this crap.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/themikerothschild.com/2018/09/11/mccain-executed-qanon/amp/
“I can’t believe this person is posting this crap.”
Since the age of the Internet I have been continually amazed by the folks I share this Earth with.
“don't know about McCain being treasonous but do know we can talk about the man honestly...and what he did with that fake dossier is a major problem and should be investigated fully. He did that for one reason, hatred of Trump, which shows a major character flaw”
Right, if a document like that comes to you the best thing to have done would have been to go to Trump and have it buried.
"Right, if a document like that comes to you the best thing to have done would have been to go to Trump and have it buried."
You are overlooking the fact that they knew who to send it to because they knew who hated Trump (from Trumps party) enough to pass it on...........to get Trump and be part of the plot to destroy him.
Portraying McCain as some objective guy that just happened to come across authtic evidence that he felt should be used because it was the right thing to do.....................is complete bs(not by you but by those who know better that are justifying his actions)
“You are overlooking the fact that they knew who to send it to because they knew who hated Trump (from Trumps party) enough to pass it on...........to get Trump and be part of the plot to destroy him. ”
So then honestly, what should he have done ?
Verified the information as legit I suppose.
I'm getting ready to take 5 teams to the Scholastic Chess of Indiana championships tomorrow and don't have time to look more into this subject, which is not my area of expertise to begin with and actually, what really does it matter?
Personally, I don't really care what the dead man did a few years ago on this because its going to be 100% subject to speculation.
With regards to his vote on Obama Care appeal.
We know the facts.
He campaigned on fighting and voting to repeal it as well as long being against it.
He voted the complete opposite.
Trump is convinced of number 1, which is why he's trying to drag McCains name in the mud was my original point.
On number 2.............its not just Trump convinced of it........he did it.
Again, Trump's actions are completely counterproductive here for everybody, especially him.
really cliff, why pretend you did not see McCain's low blows?
“really cliff, why pretend you did not see McCain's low blows?”
What are those exactly ?