Teenagers and Native American
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Started by metmike - Jan. 20, 2019, 6:52 p.m.

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         Rather than delete this thread because of the completely unacceptable title(because of the hate and curse word directed at this young man), I've retitled it, so that it can stay.       

       

                Started by frey_1999 - Jan. 20, 2019, 5:07 p.m.            

                                        

Decide they have the right push their wants on to peaceful March.

 

Trump version of Making America Great Again 


Like I said before Its no longer enough to be conservative, You know have to be angry in order to be part of trumps Republican party.


 https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/01/20/native-american-nathan-phillips-maga-teens-video-sot-nr-vpx.cnn


https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/01/19/maga-video-teens-native-american-unfiltered-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/


So this is the future of the Republican Party  #SoSad

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                By TimNew - Jan. 20, 2019, 6:43 p.m.            

            

                            

You're not familiar with the situation at all, are you?


Some kids were counter protesting and supporting the wall chanting "Build the wall".  Some black muslims started chanting verses from the Koran.  The Native American inserted himself between the two groups and the kids continued chanting "Build the wall"..   Nothing on the scale of the Nazi like antics of ANTIFA..  But of course,  you see free speech with which you disagree as much worse.


#sofreekinstupid.

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By frey_1999 - Jan. 20, 2019, 7:40 p.m.
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Some need to watch the video and ask themselves if that's how you raised your kids or how your parents raised you.


Sadly for some the answer will be yes on both 


The ask yourself who fits your # 

By TimNew - Jan. 20, 2019, 7:46 p.m.
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Watch the very end of the story and draw conclusions...  Or watch the whole story, and be informed.  



By metmike - Jan. 20, 2019, 7:58 p.m.
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Covington Catholic apologizes over students mocking Native American, threatens expulsions          

https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/article224806590.html

What is the most disturbing to me, is not that a teenager did something dumb(standing in the face of the Native American with a mocking smile on his face to show off to his friends-this WAS disrespectful) but that the mainstream media, decided to make it top news because the kid was wearing a MEGA hat.

CNN took the extraordinary measure of having the Indigenous American come in for a live interview the next day(after their producers saw the great opportunity to extend the sensationalizing) on this major news story.

I've coached and taught thousands of  kids/young adults over the past 25 years and seen some really dumb stuff from some great kids.

For the media to sensationalize this and put it up there ahead of thousands of other stories that are out there because the kid has a MEGA hat is just more powerful evidence, to go with last weeks widespread coverage and sensationalizing of the Buzzfeed, fake news story............that our news media is blatantly biased, getting worse and in fact, appears to be fighting back with revenge after their huge embarrassment from last week's devastating blow to their, already poor credibility.

These kids won't even be able to vote for numerous years. The story above tells us how their voting parents reacted. Did any of them make excuses? Did they justify the kids behavior?

Again, what the kid did was wrong and I'm not defending the action but all we know about him is that he smurked in the face of this old man(very disrespectful) for a minute.

There were over 800,000 arrests of juveniles for serious crimes in the US in 2017, to put this into perspective.

This kid because of his silly prank has actually become the VICTIM of the media, being used to hurt Trump, because he was wearing a Trump hat.

And of course, we have evidence here too, that sensationalizing stories like this is a very effective way to manipulate the way that  some Americans think.




By frey_1999 - Jan. 20, 2019, 8:11 p.m.
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I guess the 30 or so other kids that were circled around the vet need prodding this punk on need to be ignored that is the story.

Could only imagine what the Trumpets would be screaming if it were 30 minorities around a 75 year old man wearing a MAGA hat .

#onewaystreetIguess

By metmike - Jan. 20, 2019, 8:26 p.m.
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"Could only imagine what the Trumpets would be screaming if it were 30 minorities around a 75 year old man wearing a MAGA hat ."


Outstanding point frey.

Since the mainstream media would not have made this their top story, I guess we'll never know...........other than the fact that they would not have given such a thing the same coverage.

                PBS NEWSHOUR

PORTLAND, OREGON

               

For Trump supporters in Portland, the left is the face of intolerance

           


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/trump-supporters-portland/


"When Brown came out as transgender, only two friends stopped speaking to her.

When she came out as Republican, she remembered being blocked by roughly 100 people, mostly from the LGBTQ community."


Again, for me, this incident is another quinnessential example of our tabloid mainstream news media going after Trump and how it intentionally effects the thinking of many of those on the receiving end of the biased reporting............at the expense of some teenagers doing something dumb/disrespectfui(nobody ever physically threatened this old man). 

By frey_1999 - Jan. 20, 2019, 9:43 p.m.
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Sure Fox news would have done 5 segments on it ,Rush,anne,and Sean would have all put them on their shows..


But more importantly your basing  media bias on some women's claim that friends left her when she announced she was a trump supporter. This is a person you know nothing about , maybe she became obnoxious in her support of trump and her friends told her that they didn't want to discuss politics with her but she just kept telling everybody that the only reason they were bothered by trumps constant lying was because they have DTS 

By metmike - Jan. 20, 2019, 10:07 p.m.
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"your basing  media bias on some women's claim that friends left her when she announced she was a trump supporter."

Right frey,


From the last story and in response to your previous suggestion of 2 sided coverage and similar reactions from both sides. 

"After Trump was elected in November, protests erupted around the country. But in Portland those demonstrations escalated into a riot, as protesters smashed store windows and set fires, leading to 26 arrests and more than a million dollars in property damage."

You're mis-characterizations of facts and stories sure can cause an abrupt ending to discussions but again, that was not my original point, which has been made clearly enough already, several times. 

By frey_1999 - Jan. 20, 2019, 10:49 p.m.
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Do you think the reaction in PORTLAND  was better or worse than the reaction in chartletsville .


I'm sure you will think that is a misrepresentation of the story or post or whatever.

By metmike - Jan. 20, 2019, 11:05 p.m.
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Again, I made my points several times now and am happy that your original, unacceptably worded title

was able to be re-titled in order for you to make yours.


By wglassfo - Jan. 21, 2019, 1:29 a.m.
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Hi Frey

I have to admit I just about did a boo boo

I missed typing the 3rd letter to your handle

I am sure that would not have been good

Good thing I checked before hitting the button. I don't know how to make a change after the post is gone

I don't know if you would have had a chuckle or been really angry with me

Any how: True story:

I was at a bar, sitting by myself when this slightly intoxicated gentleman came over to my table and sat down. I was sitting alone and he was older and much bigger and stronger. I was about the same age as that kid in the photo and just as skinny. Seems my visitor was all bent out of shape because I asked for a culvert to be taken out and lowered as per the engineer request on an open ditch running through my farm. He thought it was a waste of time, as he was doing the work on a bid contract, and wanted to shave a few dollars [I think} He thought the silt would fill up to the original level. You being a land owner will under stand all of this. So he was poed off with me and keep running his mouth.. All I could do was stand my ground [or sit] at my table and keep this silly grin on my face. About exactly like that picture of the kid in the photo. So you can THINK all you want about other people, and their kids, but if you weren't there, keep yer dang trap shut. 

You ever attended college??

By TimNew - Jan. 21, 2019, 8:09 a.m.
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Those kids were even more innocent than I stated above.  Some radical blacks and the native Americans instigated the whole incident and the media ran with the liberal lies with no fact checking whatsoever. MAGA hats were all they needed to convict these kids. Anyone who rushed to judgment over these kids, with no facts,  should be ashamed of themselves.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-students-full-video-shows-viral-protest-new-light/2635085002/


"The longer version of the incident is more complex, and now that it has surfaced, the rush to judge the teenagers is coming under attack."

By mojo - Jan. 21, 2019, 9:17 a.m.
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It was a big mistake for those punks to wear the MAGA hats. Anybody wearing a MAGA hat is automatically assumed to be a bigot, an enemy of the people, & probably are & just asking for trouble. Next time leave the MAGA hats at home in the closet where they belong. Stupid punks for sure.

By TimNew - Jan. 21, 2019, 9:21 a.m.
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I fully expected a response like this from you MOJO.  Sadly, I know you are not making it up and actually believe what you said.

By metmike - Jan. 21, 2019, 11:35 a.m.
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WOW!

Thanks for helping us get to the truth Tim. These students, in particular this one student were the victims. Their space was being invaded by the American Indians, who opposed their view,  banging on their drum and chanting and the victimized  smiling individual, in contrast to being aggressive, confrontational and disrespectful  as described by numerous media sources with his smirk, was actually, just peacefully standing his ground a teenager against the adults invading his space...........responding with a big smile. 


And this is a sample of what makes mainstream media headlines:

Stormy Daniels calls out 'disgusting punks' from Covington Catholic

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/01/19/covington-catholic-indigenous-peoples-march-called-out-by-stormy-daniels/2628767002/

"I'm suddenly in favor of building a wall...around Covington Catholic High in KY," wrote Daniels, legally known as Stephanie Clifford, on Twitter. "And let's electrify it to keep those disgusting punks from getting loose and creating more vileness in society."

So..............let's all unite behind the porn star against these young people/children who are  courageously  standing up for unborn babies...........they must all be diabolical because they were wearing MEGA hats.


WOW!

A group of wonderful young adults travels to Washington to support a great cause that they believe in.........protecting unborn children and do absolutely nothing wrong(even when others, including adults try to intimidate them-they stand their ground) and are  trashed/victimized with totally fake news for exercising their rights to be part of a rally that supports a cause that the media HATES and because they were wearing Make American Great Again hats, supporting a president that the media and others HATE.

And we have some here that swallowed the fake news hook line and sinker........in fact, so badly that I had to retitle the original thread because it was calling the brave young man in the video names, including using a curse word..........showing  intense HATRED for a young person he knew nothing about........just because he had a Trump hat on.


I'll have a new thread addressing this later today.

By metmike - Jan. 21, 2019, 12:14 p.m.
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Student releases statement on Washington D.C. protest

https://www.kxly.com/news/student-releases-statement-on-washington-dc-protest/983720654

                                                     

Page 1 of statement below:

 


WOW!

I hope that other brave, peaceful, tolerant, respectful and ethical young people use this profound example of how to behave and respond under similar circumstances!!!!!!!!!

By TimNew - Jan. 21, 2019, 1:07 p.m.
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Not quite as depicted Huh?


But for some,  merely wearing an MAGA hat is enough of an offense to warrant retaliation, leftists being the tolerant and accepting group they are,

By GunterK - Jan. 21, 2019, 1:11 p.m.
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I read about this incident on DailyMail and felt quite negatively about these youngsters. I am sure, millions of readers felt the same way.

Now, it turns out to be another example of how the MSM takes a picture/movie clip and puts their own spin on it. Unfortunately, many people only read and see what's dished up to them by the MSM. No wonder, the country is getting more and more divided.

When Trump called the MSM the "enemy of the people", it sounded a bit far-fetched....but then....they sure make an effort to sow anger and hate,


By metmike - Jan. 21, 2019, 3:58 p.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 21, 2019, 4:17 p.m.
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More of the real story and facts that occurred at this event:


The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran

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Journalists who uncritically accepted Nathan Phillips' story got this completely wrong.

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-video

From the story at the link. A description of events from viewing the entire footage by the author:

"Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.

Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.

One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a "hate factory" and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist, and member of the Ku Klux Klan. I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him, not the other way around.

And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.

You can judge for yourself. Here is video footage of the full incident, from the perspective of the black nationalists. Phillips enters the picture around the 1:12 mark, but if you skip to that part, you miss an hour of the Black Hebrew Israelites hurling obscenities at the students. They call them crackers, faggots, and pedophiles. At the 1:20 mark (which comes after the Phillips incident) they call one of the few black students the n-word and tell him that his friends are going to murder him and steal his organs. At the 1:25 mark, they complain that "you give faggots rights," which prompted booing from the students. Throughout the video they threaten the kids with violence, and attempt to goad them into attacking first. The students resisted these taunts admirably: They laughed at the hecklers, and they perform a few of their school's sports cheers.

It was at this moment that Phillips, who had attended a nearby peace protest led by indigenous peoples, decided to intervene. He would later tell The Detroit Free Press that the teenagers "were in the process of attacking these four black individuals" and he decided to attempt to de-escalate the situation. He seems profoundly mistaken: The video footage taken by the black nationalists shows no evidence the white teenagers had any intention of attacking. Nevertheless, Phillips characterized the kids as "beasts" and the hate-group members as "their prey":

"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."

Again, all the evidence suggests that Phillips got it backward.

He also claimed that he heard chants of "build the wall." While I cannot rule out the possibility that some of the kids indeed chanted this—those who were wearing MAGA hats are presumably Trump supporters—I did not hear a single utterance of the phrase in the nearly two hours of video footage I watched. Admittedly, the kids do a lot of chanting and it's not always possible to tell what they are saying. Their stated explanation is that they engaged in a series of school sports chants: That's what one student told a local news reporter. His account largely tracks with the video.

"there's shockingly little evidence of wrongdoing, unless donning a Trump hat and standing in a group of other people doing the same is now an act of harassment or violence. Phillips' account, meanwhile, is at best flawed, and arguably deliberately misleading."

"The boys are undoubtedly owed an apology from the numerous people who joined this social media pile-on. This is shaping up to be one of the biggest major media misfires in quite some time."

By GunterK - Jan. 21, 2019, 6:11 p.m.
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and now another twist to this story....

the Indian vet".... was not some hapless native American.."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-21/native-american-harassed-maga-kids-exposed-outrage-culture-grifter


By metmike - Jan. 21, 2019, 7:44 p.m.
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Thanks Gunter!

Here's more:

ABC Nightly News just had this as one of their top stories and they still couldn't tell the truth. Although they stated that "there may be another side to the story" appearing to sound objective..... they never stated the other side well or honestly and still made the boys look guilty and still had to make the point(as if it was significant to their actions) that the boys were wearing Make America Great Again hats. The link below is what ABC had on this morning even after the facts were in completely vindicating these wonderful young men who were victimized. They still tell us that school officials were promising swift backlash condemning their actions and possible expulsion for those who participated. Instead of telling the truth and apologizing to these kids, they state at the end that it was "more complicated than it appears". No, the truth was actually blatantly clear. The distortion and spin is what intentionally made it appear to be complicated.  Even when busted making fake news, most of the mainstream media  pretends to tell us both sides and act as if this kid was not framed.......BY THEM!  In what universe is an Indigenous American beating on a drum facing a smiling teenager a top news story on all the mainstream news media sources??? Only the one where the teenager is wearing a MEGA hat. The authentic, profound story is actually about how the kid got framed and victimized by the mainstream media for wearing the hat, so they could make President Trump supporters look bad.  https://abcnews.go.com/.../viral-video-catholic.../story...

Viral video of teens taunting Native Americans draws widespread condemnation

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Viral video of teens taunting Native Americans draws widespread…

Viral video of teens taunting Native Americans draws widespread condemnation