odd isn't it...up until about 20 minutes ago nationalism was a very good thing. we must not the left change the definitions of once proud words. we need to say "just stop it...enough and shut up"

The last world leader that tried to claim nationalism as a good thing was Hitler.

So no it wasn't  something  that  happened 20 min ago.  

There are many  who  think trump and  Hitler  have many of the same attributes so that may be what  threw  you for a loop

frey,

the Founding Fathers of the US most certainly were "nationalists"

You cannot assume that every person who loves his country wants to be a dictator and start a genocide.

The comment Macron made sounds like sheer idiocy. Patriotism and Nationalism can not be opposites.

oh boy what a surprise, another  anti Trump post with no legitimate point or logic with historical fact...might as well add the usual "racists" "bigot" homophobe" crap too there frey and then it would all make sense for you

The problem isn't that Trump is asking for NATO nations to pay their fair share.  The problem is that those $$ are a drop in the bucket compared to the risk of destroying the alliance that has given us security and prosperity for 70+ years.  The issue is Trump being petty.  And Mattis is against him on this.  So was McMaster and Tillerson. He's fired everybody else who disagreed with him and hired lackey's.  He can't fire Mattis so easily.

If we were talking about 100s of billions owed that would be something else (as in China on trade).  

For some odd reason Trump has an urge to insult our allies and kiss up to the dictators.  It baffles me.

Alas, petty is just who Trump is.  Hopefully the adults of the western alliance won't be as petty.  

How much would you say European nations have added to our security for the last 70 years?  Or,  if you prefer more current, the last 10?

IMO.  short of their allowing us to build bases in their countries, which BTW, add lots of money to their economies,  I'd say very little.

So you also think General McMaster, General Mattis and Secretary of State Tillerson were wrong and Trump (the guy who gets his ideas from watching Fox News for hours on end) is right.  hmmm...

SO you prefer not to answer my question while claiming all of Trump's info comes from Fox?  Hmmmm

Europe is used to "robbing" America's piggy bank.  It has been going on so long that it is now an entitlement.  And, this might be ok if there really was money in the piggy bank, but we just keep on creating more and more money, and the world just keeps on accepting it and demanding more.

An interesting read from this morning:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/interest-rates/the-coming-monetary-crisis/