Ukraine’s president will be lobbying Trump to provide Tomahawk missiles to help in the war against Russia
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Trump has been all over the place on this issue. Almost every assessment, prediction and promise so far this year has been almost exactly wrong on this topic. His boasting, bloviating and publicity stunts to elevate Donald Trump are crystal clearly his top priority. This makes him an extremely low credibility source on this, his ruinous No rhyme or reason/impulsive tariffs and everything else, despite being, unfortunately the most powerful person in the world.
Flipping a coin would have, at least been correct 50% of the time. Believing in the opposite of what Trump states on the Ukraine war would have yielded the best results this past year!
The war WILL end at some point and if it's in the next 3+ years, while Trump is in office, regardless of the circumstances, Trump will claim he did it.
Remember that I voted for Trump last November because he promised to end the Ukraine war fast. Nobody really believed he could do it in 24 hours as promised.
He has been an extreme disappointment to me in almost every of the numerous realms that he has abused his power in. He is not only delusional but has increasingly worsening dementia which now makes him more dangerous than before because the R congress has given him all of their power and the conservative Supreme Court is not doing their job to challenge him.
He is truly ruling as an authoritarian that professes his hatred for over half of the Americans that disprove of him. Instead of representing them, as their president too, he is obsessed with PUNISHING THEM for not supporting him.
This is an extremely pathological political situation that violates the objectives of our Constitution and does not represent a true democracy.
This is the ONLY WAY to stop this extremely dysfunctional form of government and get it back to working the way our Constitution and democracy was designed.
I am far less concerned with what is happening in Ukraine, in a war that was a LONG TIME AGO, won by Russia (and a president that wants to use it to make himself look good) than I am in what's happening in our own country!!!
25th Amendment
Started by metmike - Oct. 4, 2025, 8:47 p.m.
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Started by mcfarm - Aug. 15, 2025, 7:32 p.m.
It Takes a Land Force to Defeat a Land Force
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Zelensky, Biden and NATO got Ukraine's land force of brave soldiers killed off, sending them on suicide missions against Russia's MUCH BIGGER army that Putin sent on suicide missions.
More Russians have been killed by far but when an army starts with a much bigger numbers advantage in a war of attrition.......guess who wins almost every time? It's sad to think that Putin would sacrifice his much bigger army, the lives of countless human beings knowing this to win but they are just his pawns not human beings.
It was even dumber for Biden/Zelensky/NATO to sacrifice the Ukraine army's soldiers TO LOSE the war that they wanted instead of negotiating with Putin in 2021/22.
NATO/European/Zelensky/Western propaganda doesn't win wars and this war was lost a long time ago. Ukraine doesn't have much of an army left, so Putin is exploiting his advantage to capture more and more land, with Ukraine/NATO's completely delusional position in negotiating being that of a country that won the war, demanding all the land back that the real winner captured, in addition to what Putin/NATO fought this war over (NATO in Ukraine).
Putin is NEVER giving all the land back and will NEVER, NEVER agree to NATO in Ukraine.
The longer Ukraine/NATO insist otherwise with a non serious, delusional negotiating position, the longer Putin will take advantage of his superior position and capture more and more land.
The West can celebrate all they want over how many causalities Russia is suffering (those are human beings too) and what the cost has been to Russia and pretend that this means Russia is actually losing the most, which must mean Ukraine is actually really winning by losing less.
But the fact remains, Ukraine did lose and loses more land every week as well as other loses that a country fighting a war IN THEIR COUNTRY, loses.
Sadly, our morally bankrupt, bought and paid for politicians are controlled by the diabolical military-industrial complex which gets rich from wars, especially this one. The biased news media is controlled by political activists and ratings/sales which includes appreciating wars that increase their profits.
They are so obsessed with hating Putin that they can't conceive of acknowledging he actually won the war a long time ago............so they continually pass on the propaganda and to continue fighting for the lost cause while making it worse and worse for Ukraine.
Look at the map below which has the latest, updated information on the Ukraine war.
Blue(other than the water) represents Ukraine advancing or claiming to advance.
There isn't any blue! That's because Russia already won this war and is taking more land as both sides are suffering more casualties.
The propaganda wants us to think that Russia's bigger casualties mean that Ukraine is winning.......so Ukraine should continue to fight to get all their land back.
The complete OPPOSITE is happening. Look at the map!
One of NATO's core objectives is to surround and destroy Russia. It is NOT just a defensive pact.
Putin knows this and its why we are having this war. Devious NATO was willing to sacrifice all of Ukraine's army(when there was no chance to win) because it considers the damage happening to Russia as a victory for NATO.
It was the latest swing in Trump’s position on the war that often shifts following contact with Putin, who has shown skill in influencing the U.S. president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/10/18/russia-putin-trump-ukraine-phone/
I believe(speculate) that Trump's 180 degree flip a month+ ago to suddenly, unexpectedly, strongly supporting the NATO/Ukraine position, even stating that Ukraine can get their land back in contrast to everything he had been saying, was purely a strategic move designed (in his mind) to get the attention of the Nobel Peace Prize, Norwegian committee that votes. Historically they have been joined at the hip with NATO and the UN.
He was also talking about giving Ukraine long range missiles to attack, deeply inside of Russia.
After he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize that he's convinced that he deserves.............he immediately went back to his previous position on Ukraine/Russia.
So now he doesn't have to suck up to the 5 people on the committee that votes for the Nobel Peace Prize anymore.
Not only is this another example of Trump's actions and agenda mostly designed to do things that are best to make Donald Trump look good(based on what Donald Trump thinks that is) but it shows again, how unstable, fickle, unpredictable and impulsive he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Nobel_Committee
The Norwegian Nobel Committee (Norwegian: Den norske Nobelkomité) selects the recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize each year on behalf of Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel's estate, based on instructions of Nobel's will.
Five members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament. In his will, Alfred Nobel tasked the parliament of Norway with selecting the winners of the Nobel Peace Prize. At the time, Norway and Sweden were in a loose personal union. Despite its members being appointed by Parliament, the committee is a private body tasked with awarding a private prize. In recent decades, most committee members were retired politicians.
Trumps complete reversal, all the way back to his position he had before is pretty indicative that his temporary position, supporting Ukraine/Zelensky/NATO in their impossibly absurd position (to get all their land back and get into NATO) was just a Trump marketing scheme to get the Nobel Peace Prize votes.
It didn't work, so now he's back to the only position that makes sense.
Zelenskyy put on a brave face, telling NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” in an interview recorded Friday after the meeting with Trump, that “we are not losing this war, and Putin is not winning.”
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Sure thing, Zelensky, we can tell that Putin is not winning/or Ukraine losing by looking at this map again
Red = Russia winning = ~100%
Blue = Ukraine winning= ~0%
As unpredictable and unstable as Trump is, the current position of his, similar to the one before he made the play to get the Noble Peace Prize is THE ONLY ONE that has a chance to obtain peace and stop Ukraine's losses where they are.
Ideally, Biden/NATO and puppet man/Zelensky would have been smart enough to realize that in 2021/early 22 and Ukraine would not have lost anything. NATO would have lost their objective to get Ukraine but Ukraine would have lost nothing.
Instead, Biden and NATO decided to have a war with Russia to fight over NATO getting Ukraine and called Putin's bluff. But Putin was not bluffing.
Ukraine got decimated and lost the war by every reasonable standard over a year ago. They have no military left to defend, so Russia is slowly taking more and more territory as Zelensky, NATO/Europe/the MSM keep declaring that we can defeat Russia but all we need is X, Y and Z.
Well NATO/Ukraine/Biden just used up A thru W in their military alphabet and they turned out to be the absolute worse war strategists in the history of wars.
Sending hundreds of thousands of brave Ukrainians on suicide missions and completely flushing hundreds of billions of US tax payer war funding down the toilet (that made Ukraine even more corrupt).
And after all this, they still insist on fighting on instead of negotiating for peace that REQUIRES they acknowledge the truth. THEY LOST THE WAR! All the Western/NATO/MSM lies and propaganda in the world can't change that.
The map above is the indisputable, objective, authentic truth.
Zelensky and NATO: Please do what Trump advises and stop using Ukrainians to fight NATO's war. NATO doesn't care about Ukrainians. It wants to destroy Russia and has been USING Ukrainians. Zelensky has offered up his brave soldiers on a silver platter to NATO to fight their NATO war to get his Western World celebrity status as a great warrior, fighting the evil Putin/Russia.
Worst military leader in the history of the world and you can tell that here in October 20, 2025 by just reading his words again:
“we are not losing this war, and Putin is not winning.”
A man that doesn't even know the battle field, in fact convinces himself and his mostly killed off army (from his CATASTROPHICALLY BAD decisions) that its the complete opposite of reality and makes military decisions based on a fake reality that is just killing off the rest of his army is not qualified to lead them.
And Trump does another flip!
https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/22/politics/bessent-sanctions-russia
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy urges more missiles for Ukraine, wider sanctions on Russia at meeting with European leaders in London.
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I totally get that Putin is the most powerful, diabolical man on the planet (with Netanyahu giving him a run for his money).
It's a REALLY good thing to fight and stop people like this.
However, it's really, REALLY dumb to fight when there is no chance at all to win instead of negotiating.
In 2021/22 Biden/NATO and their puppet(that they used for their agenda) decided to fight an impossible war to win against Putin instead of giving up their quest for NATO to expand into Ukraine.
Yes, Putin was and is very diabolical but only really dumb military leaders would get into a battle that never had a chance of succeeding as in NEVER! Sacrificing the lives of most of Ukraine's brave soldiers, hundreds of billions in support from our tax payers flushed down the toilet so that the military-industrial-political-media complex could make out like bandits.......to lose a war they could never win.
And they keep bombarding us with the fairy tale propaganda that Russia is losing and Ukraine can get all their land back if we just keep enriching the morally bankrupt military-industrial-political complex, that along with the media are the propaganda message gatekeepers.
There is something called risk/reward.
What reasonable person would risk losing the lives of all their loved ones in their family to get something that had no chance of happening?
That's exactly what NATO/Biden and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex did to the Ukrainian soldiers. Turned them all into casualties in a not winnable war and have the audacity to keep insisting that we are doing it to...........SUPPORT THEM!!!
Seriously, sending these brave soldiers on suicide missions for 3+ years in a war they never had a chance to win is "SUPPORTING THEM"????
Zelensky is the worse one. Sacrificing his soldiers. FORCING THEM TO FIGHT NATO's war with Putin. NATO couldn't have done it without puppet Zelensky, who they elevated to a great warrior and military leader in the Western World.
The puppet man, who's previous experience was being an actor and comedian with tremendous charisma. No military background. They used his charisma to travel him to all the NATO countries as a hero compelling the citizens in those countries to give their hard earned tax dollars to the military industrial complex and support to NATO to fight their impossible to win war against the diabolical Putin.
With the worst military leadership in the history of the human race, including the unqualified Zelensky. What brilliant general would lead his army intentionally into battle after battle after losing battle with no chance to win any of them and sacrifice his entire army, while losing badly to gain nothing and keep claiming that he was winning?
Brilliant military leaders KNOW THE BATTLEFIELD!!!! They don't sacrifice their entire army to lose everything and gain nothing when every metric tells them they don't have a snowball in hell's chance. Even the least qualified military leaders would never do this.
The military leaders(NATO/Biden/Zelensky) fighting Putin did that EXACTLY! That's why they are the worst in history.
What made it so especially bad is that they had other WINNING OPTIONS to start off with when negotiating in 2021/2022. All they had to give up was NATO's obsession with expanding into Ukraine. That was it. No war. No 1 million+ causalities! No half a trillion is wasted capital by our side(to enrich the military-industrial complex) . No 1 trillion+ in damages to Ukraine.
Instead, they opted to fight the unwinnable war because they want to destroy Russia and get NATO into Ukraine. Distorting all the facts to sell the war to us with absurd propaganda and as was always inevitable, so they gave all that up........TO GET NOTHING!
And these same sources in October 2025 insist that Ukraine should get everything back and that Ukraine isn't really losing the war because Russia is losing even worse. Brave Russian soldiers being killed because they have no choice but to die fighting on the wrong side are no longer human beings. They are now how we keep score to determine who is winning the war!!!
Ukraine has almost no army left. They couldn't win at 100% strength/numbers and hundreds of billions in weapons coming in.
Makes no sense to prolong this with the expectation of Ukraine getting back all their land, when every week that passes, just increases their losses.
Since the NATO objective includes killing as many Russians as possible, they see this as a win(defined by dead Russians and a weaker Russia) at the expense of Ukraine, of course.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/10/1166189
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There is no question that Putin is a diabolical murderer and deserves the death penalty X10 for all his war crimes.
But this narrative that "we can't let him win" or "we have to fight against evil" no matter what is complete nonsense in this situation.
Like the late Pope Francis profoundly stated, Ukraine need to have the courage of the white flag.
In other words, fighting for a lost cause makes no sense if your tremendous losses will greatly exceed any potential benefits.
Sadly, on our side only the military-industrial-political complex is reaping massive benefits.
The PEOPLE, the BRAVE SOLDIERS, UKRAINE, THE WEST and THE TAX PAYERS have all suffered huge losses with 0 gains applying this strategy the past 3.5+ years.
Our military leaders and message gatekeepers, that entire time, made decisions and fed us propaganda to justify continuing to fight and when negotiating, insisting that Russia give all the land back that it already won in the war(and demand that Ukraine get into NATO-which Putin will never allow-is the biggest reason he started this war).
After being wrong for 3.5 years, they continue with the same strategy but now, after killing off the majority of Ukraine's army there is no hope. Putin knows this which is why he continues to take more land.
He might be the most diabolical man on the planet but he out thought and out strategized our sides blundering military leaders with Zelensky being the worst one in history. Just look at the battlefield people!
This is much more than just good vs evil.
It's common sense against ignorance.
It's preserving human life against sending brave soldiers on suicide missions with nothing but losses to show for it.
It's about saving hundreds of billions against flushing it all down the toilet TO KILL PEOPLE with no benefits.
It's about saving land and infrastructure worth trillions in Ukraine against letting Putin take more and more.
It's smart military leaders/decisions against nothing but dumb decisions on our side.
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With regards to common sense:
After you lose a war really bad by every reasonable standard(and lose more every week), you don't pretend that you didn't lose then demand everything back when negotiating.
In what venue does the person that finished in last place demand that they shoud get the rewards of the person that finished in first place???
That's what the propaganda fed to us has us convinced is achievable. Then, when Putin continually rejects that, we pretend that our position was reasonable and Putin just doesn't want to negotiate.
Putin would likely negotiate if our side ever got serious and made reasonable offers. Not offers that represent what we WISH would happen. Not offers that were on the table from Putin BEFORE we decided to have a war with him and lost by every standard. Reasonable offers based on the current battlefield and dynamics that acknowledge that Putin WON THE WAR and is only adding to that, the longer we stay delusional.
If instead, the objective is actually to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, hurt the Russian economy and to enrich the military-industrial-political complex...........then we are kicking arse and should continue.
However, if we want to REALLY help the innocent people being used as pawns in a war they didn't start but are forced to give their lives up for............it's long past the time to recognize the loss when negotiating and dial that in with reasonable offers to Putin.
https://understandingwar.org/newsroom/dont-believe-putins-lies-russia-is-not-winning-in-ukraine/
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There they go again with more propaganda about who is winning the war.
It's clearly a war of attrition by design from Putin. This person wants us to think that since Russia is losing more troops that they are actually NOT winning and we should continue to fight.........NEVER MIND all the losses that are decimating Ukraine.
If this guy's own son's were destined to die on the Ukraine battlefield, giving up their lives in suicide missions for a lost cause.......would he still have this position?
Stop pretending that we have been supporting Ukraine by getting their army killed off and country decimated for almost 4 years, when the real objective is to hurt Russia by USING THESE BRAVE SOLDIERS for their political agenda.
This is the latest battlefield assessment: Unless you don't have eyes and an objective brain that thinks critically, you can see what Putin sees too.
Who is winning(won) and who is losing(lost)????
I don't like it one bit either but accepting the truth, while acknowledging the battlefield reality is a key component in being a good military leader.
No smart general would send his brave soldiers on suicide missions for almost 4 years if they knew this would be the outcome.
They would need to gain something for giving up their lives!!!!!
The objective would not be to lose extremely badly by every measure.
However while dying killing 3 times as many Russians while doing it when an alternative of negotiating is offered, giving up MUCH less than you gave up in the losing battle and NOBODY DIES!!!
The military leadership of NATO is delusional with their objective to destroy Russia and their puppet, Zelensky sacrificed his brave soldiers and country for them.
I am strongly on the side of UKRAINIANS. The people and brave soldiers which is why I have this position. Look what WE DID to them because WE(and Zelensky) were convinced that they had to die in order to stop evil Putin.
And it didn't stop Putin and never was going to stop Putin from square 1. We wasted their lives!!!
Putin killed them but we wasted their lives in a battle of attrition that could never be won for our side.........instead of negotiating.
Now that Putin has won, we can't demand that he give back what WE FOUGHT HIM FOR AND LOST. As much as we wish it weren’t true, unfortunately, evil DID win.
Time to do damage control and stop living with ignorance is bliss. Stop the war and cut off the blockbuster profits and benefits of our military, industrial, political, media complex that serve as gatekeepers of the fork tongue propaganda messages intended to keep their profits gushing in.
American leader Donald Trump once again declared that he had successfully ended 8 wars. Moreover, he added that "significant progress" had been made in ending Russia's war against Ukraine.
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What Trump says and what the truth is are almost never the same for most realms. In the case of the Ukraine war, Trump has gone from 1 extreme to the other extreme, back and forth several times now.
We will always be hopeful for an end to the Ukraine war because the fact still remains that Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the world.
Trump does seem to be trying, despite his incompetence, lack of credibility and constant lies(or being completely delusional and passing that on). The most powerful man in the world has the best chance to end this compared to anybody else.
Ukraine continues to get completely decimated by Russia in this 1 sided war as the propaganda from NATO/The West/Military-Industrial-Political-Media Complex continues to cover that up and blatantly lie to us.
Absurdly pretending that its reasonable to insist that Russia give everything back that they won in the war which Biden/NATO/Puppet Zelensky decided to fight with Russia instead of negotiate when all they had to give up was NATO getting Ukraine.
https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment/
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0l0k4389g2o
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Russia is crushing Ukraine, almost everywhere. Zelensky and NATO have the absurd negotiating position NOT Russia!
Offering up more brave Ukrainian soldiers on losing, suicide missions is NOT supporting Ukraine. It's killing brave Ukrainian soldiers and creating more losses for their families FOR NATO(who's victory metric is the number of dead Russians) and FOR the Industrial Military Political Media complex(which is having block buster profits and ratings tied to the war).
This is the opposite of supporting Ukraine. Use your heads, people. It's indisputable that Putin is an evil man and cold blooded killer but engaging in a LOSING BATTLE with him using the worst military leadership in human history is blatant ignorance and lacks compassion for the REAL human beings in Ukraine being sacrificed as pawns who have no choice.
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https://menafn.com/1110315934/Report-Shows-Over-21600-Soldiers-Deserted-Ukraine-in-October
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RT.com
08 Nov 2025, 20:46 GMT+10
https://www.irishsun.com/news/278682014/ukraine-hits-desertion-record-bbc
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The small eastern city has been a focus of Moscow's grinding Donbas offensive.
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Russia having more casualties is NOT Ukraine winning!
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Actually, it's the exact opposite. Russia is not isolated. It's mainly NATO countries, including the United States that are trying to sell this absurdity to support the war.
This position makes more sense but NATO sending troops is WW3:
The propaganda wants us to believe that most of the world is on the side of NATO and against Russia.
Actually, it's mostly NATO countries that support NATO. All our news in the United States is NATO-centric.............and almost all of it is PROPAGANDA!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/t2yx77/world_map_of_countries_that_support_ukraine_or/
Military Watch Magazine Editorial Staff
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainain-army-40000-desertions-month
metmike: This is an unsolvable, catastrophic statistic that our fork tongue sources continually lie to us about.
It's insanely cruel to do this to these poor Ukrainian soldiers. Forcing them to go on suicide missions for NATO and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex and then call it "supporting Ukrainians".
Diabolical NATO and the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex uses Russian deaths as the metric to measure success. They collude on the lies and propaganda to steal our intelligence and twist the catastrophic, already lost war facts into fairy tale stories about brave Ukrainian soldiers fighting a war they believe in to fight for democracy and defeat Russia.
That is complete bs.
We are giving them death sentences to fight NATO's war so that the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex can reap massive benefits.
Puppet Zelensky, the WORST military leader in the history of the human race knows dang well that he is doing this to his people.
NATO captured his brain and massive ego for THEIR cause and turned this charismatic, professional actor into a great war hero/celebrity that travels on numerous visits to NATO countries to SELL THE NATO WAR!
Please read the article below, this is the truth that our despicable, morally bankrupt message gatekeepers are blatantly lying to us about!!!! Please stop letting them steal your intelligence!
This has been going on for a very long time and its getting worse.
Zelensky is an egocentric, narcissist, sociopath killing off his army for fame in NATO countries.
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https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-recruitment-army/
“Busification” is a well-understood term in Ukraine and refers to the process in which young men are detained against their will, often involving a violent struggle, and bundled into a vehicle — often a minibus — for onward transit to an army recruitment center.
Look online and you’ll find a trove of thousands of incidents, with most of them filmed this year alone. You can find videos of a recruitment officer chasing a man and shooting at him, a man being choked to death on the street with a recruiter’s knee on his neck. Many include family members or friends fighting desperately to prevent their loved one being taken against his will.
If videos of this nature, on this systemic scale, were shared in the United States or the United Kingdom, I believe that members of the public would express serious concerns. Yet the Western media remains largely silent, and I find it difficult to understand why.
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More of the same. Russia, long ago has defeated Ukraine(that barely has an army left) and is in 99.9% control.......but the MSM and NATO report the headlines news like Ukraine is holding its own and still has a chance to win
It's like a football game, where 1 side already lost 70-3 in 4 quarters and its over. But the losing side won't concede the loss or agree to end the game and give the winner what they played the game for(No NATO and the land that was won).
Instead they stay on the field and demand the game continue into a 5th, 6th, 7th quarter with the score going to 77-3, 84-4, 91-3, 98-3, 105-3........140-3. More and more lopsided. With the losers side reporting that they haven't lost yet even though their/our side doesn't even have 11 players left to play a legit game of football.
Then, the losers get another field goal and it's 140-6 and the headlines distort that to mean the battle is not over and they can still win.
It's been over for a long time but NATO wants to fight TO THE LAST DROP OF BRAVE UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS BLOOD and traitor Zelensky is sending his brave soldiers on suicide missions for his PERSONAL AGENDA as puppet for NATO.
Here in the West/United States, the diabolical military-industrial-political-media complex continues to benefit from the war and to serve as message gatekeepers with people who are morally bankrupt, feeding us lies and propaganda to keep the war and their profits going as long as possible.
The complicit and enabling media, unable to use their brains to apply objective, critical thinking act as cheerleaders that have decided that this is a good vs evil fight and to interpret everything so that it always means evil didn't win and can't win, no matter the facts.
Putin and Russia won already! Throwing away more lives and resources to give him a bigger win so that NATO can kill more Russians and the military-industrial-political-media complex can have more block buster gains IS NOT SUPPORTING UKRAINIANS BEING USED AS PAWNS.
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This is not about justice for Putin(which will never happen), who is killing off his own brave soldiers that are living and dying in a hell hole. NO THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING! It's about what Pope Francis called "having the courage to use the white flag" to do what's right/best for the people that matter the most. Those fighting the war.
The plan includes items that could be painful for Ukraine to accept
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CNN just broke the news of the details, which are also published at this link above. Their guest expert called it a complete joke and that we should wait for Donald Trump to change his mind again because he's being controlled by Russia again.
1. I strongly approve of this peace plan and am hopeful that both countries approve it. It's extremely reasonable based on the REALITIES.
2. Unfortunately, Donald Trump has flipped back and forth on his position so much that he's wrecked his credibility. He started the year with this position. Then he flipped to supporting NATO and Ukraine's absurd position, which appeared to be motivated by his desire to get the Nobel Peace Prize since their committee is tied at the hip to NATO.
3. I'm sure most Americans and people in NATO countries will not like this position because they've been completely brainwashed by propaganda and lies that I showed a zillion times here.
4. If Ukraine refuses these terms and Russia agrees, then Ukraine will keep losing more and more and more land.
As expected, the MSM, NATO and Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex is outraged at Trumps peace plan between Ukraine and Russia.
I could post 20 articles written today and have 20 pages showing what they have wrong and elaborating but would just be repeating all the same points above.
Without a better strategy, the U.S. could see defeat of democracy in the heart of Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/11/21/ukraine-trump-putin/
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This is one of the countless delusional propaganda opinion articles. Returning to a failed policy as the current one is working so great???? Ukraine is teetering, as if the outcome of the war is still in doubt and Ukraine can still win and we must continue the current strategy which features Ukraine already lost, most of its army gone from casualties and desertions and losing more every singe day.....that policy???
But never mind all that. This is a fight of good vs evil (even though the good side has been obliterated and has nothing left) and fight for democracy.............even as most of Ukraine will remain Ukraine and the part they give up to Russia was lost long ago with 0% hope of getting back.
Not acknowledging that and pretending that some fairy tale world exists, one where Russia, despite completely crushing Ukraine permanently is going to suddenly give back everything that NATO intentionally fought this war with them over(and Russia won).
Regardless of who is evil and who is good, NATO(which is actually evil) decided to use Ukraine and Ukrainians, recruiting Zelensky as their puppet to sacrifice all his people to fight NATO's war, they made a choice to fight the war and winner take all. They lost! They lost badly!!!!
When you lose a war badly, you don't get everything that both sides were fighting over and the winner gives it all back.
I really like Trump's' plan here a great deal. It gives the losers much more than the loser of most wars get. If they reject it, then they will lose even more with certainty.
They could have lost nothing by just agreeing to Putin's demands 4 years ago that insisted no NATO in Ukraine. Instead, NATO's response was to insist they WOULD get Ukraine and would fight a war with Russia to decide who get's Ukraine.
A year later, when the damage was stating to mount..........same response by NATO. A refusal to negotiate for peace with Russia...........so Putin just kept winning more and more.
And it never stopped, including the, now galactically absurd position by the losing side that they want everything back.
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When a football team loses 70-3, they don't get a win.
When a student flunks every test in a class, the teacher doesn't give them an A for the final grade.
When a trader has a position that wipes out most of the money in their account, the market doesn't give them all their money back.
There are consequences to most important decisions we make. NATO intentionally fought this war with Russia to get Ukraine and to try to destroy Russia. NATO has been dishonest from the get go in cahoots with our Military-Industrial-Polititical-Media message gatekeepers that have been repeating robust benefits at the expense of Ukrainians and absurdly, selling this as us supporting Ukrainians.
NO, NO, NO!!! Sending them on suicide missions for NATO with no hope from the get go of every winning and rejecting negotiations was never supporting Ukraine.
NO NO NO!
NATO and Biden's decision to fight this war over NATO getting Ukraine is what this is mostly about. Yes, Putin was absolutely the aggressor by invading Ukraine but NATO decided in late 2021/2022 to NOT negotiate with Biden insisting to Zelensky that, with the assistance of the United States, he would defeat Russia and get Ukraine into NATo.
They lost really, really bad because of that decision. They could have just agreed to no NATO in Ukraine but instead, they intentionally chose to have a war with Putin, using brave Ukrainian soldiers (that had no choice, going on suicide missions for NATO).
After losing, you can't blame it all on the winners WHEN YOU AGREED TO FIGHT THE WAR!
The deal wasn't that they get everything back when they lose. That's complete nonsense. If they won, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Russia being the aggressor? Of course they were. NATO KNEW THAT WAS THE CONDITIONS OF THEM FIGHTING THIS WAR FOR UKRAINE but THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT INSTEAD OF JUST AGREEING with Russia for NATO to stay out of Ukraine.
Every day they refuse to negotiate and acknowledge who won a long time ago is just another day they lose even more. If the object is to kill as many Russians (NATO's objective) and weaken Russia, this is winning. If you are Ukraine or Ukrainians fighting the war, every single day increases the already massive losses.
If you are part of US Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex you're experiencing block buster profits, bribe/lobby money and ratings and this war has been wonderful for business and not 1 American or family member had to diie as they treat the human beings actually fighting the war like they are just UNITS or PAWNS to manipulate for their agenda. Whether its politics, power or financial.
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Trump has it exactly right here!
Here's a good analogy to the situation in Ukraine that relates to trading.
Every good trader knows that the most important principle for success is to cut and minimize your losses.
Failing to do so and failing to admit you were wrong ASAP is what always leads to catastrophic losses eventually.
In Ukraine, NATO took the dumbest trade in the world when they decided to fight a war with Russia instead of negotiating in 2021/22.
Instead of cutting their losses at points along the way, they maintain this delusional, unrealistic hope that they can get all their losses back if they just keep fighting.
Even while the 100% opposite happens. Their losses go higher every day, with a 0% chance of getting back what they lost from refusing to cut their losses at every point.
NATO will never have Ukraine. Ukraine will NEVER get all their land back and the hundreds of thousands of brave soldiers they sacrificed FOR NATO's war will never come back to life. Those soldiers families will suffer those losses forever.
Yet, insanely we are fed constant, complete bs about this reality by message gatekeepers with self serving interests that don't respect Ukrainians and their families. Using fork tongue words that tell us this is supporting Ukraine.
They have been wrong about almost everything for almost 4 years now. We could have agreed with Putin about not letting NATO have Ukraine and none of this would have happened. We have been led by the worst military leaders in human history, especially Zelensky that has killed off most of his army(including hundreds of thousands of desertions). Sending them on suicide missions, while NATO countries have elevated this sad sack, NATO puppet to a great hero with pure propaganda.
Its all blatant lies meant to bamboozle us to not cover the losing trade. Instead, we kept the losing position on for 4 years. Never covering and accepting the losses, we bankrupted the account but even that wasn't enough.
We are adding to the position and sending more and more money for the margin calls and to replace the mounting losses that keep growing, with almost no days of getting any of the money back. Just catastrophically mounting losses that we accept and absurdly................don't change the strategy 1 bit. Instead we double and triple down on it by using complete lies about the realities and sell them because the ones selling the lies, are making out like bandits!!!! War is profitable for them. Dead Russians are the objective. Hate for Putin is a driving force.
Doing what's best for Ukraine and Ukrainians is absolutely, positively not their number 1 priority. They are blatantly lying to us when they state that. Repeating that lie over and over until we accept it as the truth.
US Military Industrial complex is profiting for the war in Ukraine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/07/29/ukraine-is-still-too-corrupt-to-join-the-west/
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When the US was gushing billions into Ukraine, we made their corruption problem much worse. It was inevitable. When you have one of the worlds most corrupt countries, elect a president that was a professional actor that had his brain captured by corrupt Joe Biden and NATO, who saw the opportunity of using this naive man. They turned him into a salesman for the NATO war which required him to be a traitor to his people as he sacrificed their lives and future for the NATO devil that rewarded him with fame and fortune. Initially with the promise that they would support him to defeat Russia that he believed. When it became crystal clear that Ukraine had lost the war by every standard, his commitment to NATO took priority and he abandoned his commitment to the Ukrainian people. He has been acting only to obey his master, NATO. Forcing his brave soldiers to die for NATO.
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Military Watch Magazine Editorial Staff
November-6th-2025
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukrainain-army-40000-desertions-month
"A recent British assessment has estimated that 650,000 Ukrainian men of fighting age have fled Ukraine, while the number of deserters, according to Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod, has reached almost 400,000."
"the armed forces may now be over 200,000 personnel short of the minimum needed to hold the line against Russian advances. The paper cited multiple current and former Ukrainian officers lamenting that frontline units are now operating at between half and one third third of their required strength. This corroborates with prior statements by both Russian and Ukrainain sources regarding an extreme personnel crisis."
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These are extremely credible sources. This is the truth! The lies and propaganda we get from message gatekeepers that are benefiting from the war or completely misinformed are destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by helping to push the never ending war that was already lost, with a near 0% chance of winning.
PLEASE, STOP DOING THIS TO THESE HUMAN BEINGS!
There are only 2 choices.
1. Acknowledge the truth. The realities of having lost a very long time ago with a 0% chance of coming back and finally negotiate for peace based on the real world, not the manufactured one we read about. This will stop the losses of life. Stop the additional losses of land. This is Trump's deal.
2. OR, keep fighting to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldiers blood(which is running out fast) in order to kill more Russians and hurt Russia while losing more and more and more the entire time. More Ukrainian land lost More Ukrainian lives lost.
3. There is no other option. Take Trump's deal! It's clearly the best deal for all the ones that really matter!
Ukraine has lost most of its army. Putin knows this! ZELENSKY the NATO puppet and Ukraine traitor knows this more than anybody but still forces his brave soldiers to go on suicide missions to fight FOR NATO (his evil master) which is using dead Russians as the measure of success.
The objective right now is to kill as many Russians as they can before they get killed for NATO. There are not enough soldiers left to defend Ukraine. All they can do is slow Russia down and kill a bunch of them while doing it.
The ones who know this and tell us a completely manufactured story about what's happening to keep the war going for their self serving interests are morally bankrupt and evil.
Those that pass on the lies and propaganda instead off the stone cold, authentic truth because they don't know the authentic truth are ignorant and irresponsible.
The most baffling question for me is:
Why did Trump take so long to unveil this great peace plan?
As mentioned here dozens of times, the only reason I voted in November 2024 was to vote Trump because I was certain that he was the only person in the world who could end the Ukraine war and he promised to do it in 24 hours(which we knew would never happen but it was an indication that he understood how to do it).
He seemed to be on the right track in the beginning but I'm guessing that him wanting the Nobel Peace Prize messed his mind up and he genuflected to NATO and took their absurd position that Ukraine can still win the war and they should never stop fighting until they get back everything that they lost and get into NATO.
Funny thing is that the West celebrated that complete nonsense and suddenly welcomed him to OUR side, which is the completely delusional side using OUR propaganda and lies to steal the intelligence of people that read OUR manufactured reality.
Now that Trump is back in the REAL world, OUR side is again accusing him of being RUSSIA-centric and representing Russia and Putin's best interests but not Ukraine's best interest.
I wish we could go back 4 years and have Trump as president and not Biden. The war would never have started. Putin, in late 2021 declared that he would never let NATO have Ukraine and would invade Ukraine unless they agreed to that with a negotiated promise of no NATO in Ukraine.
Biden, who was the major spokesperson for our side told Putin to go fly a kite. Go ahead and invade because NATO was going to get Ukraine and the US would help Ukraine to defeat Russia if they invade. Zelensky met with BIden here and he told Zelensky the same thing. Biden assured Zelensky that AFTER Russia invaded, the United States had their back and they would defeat Russia and get Ukraine into NATO.
There was never a chance of that happening and our side, with the worst military leaders in the history of mankind, made blunder after blunder. Zelensky, who came in the office as a professional actor was just a NATO/BIden puppet and woefully unqualified to be making any decisions related to this.
He served, mainly as a salesman, using his professional acting skills as a charismatic NATO selling, war selling anti Russia for democracy celebrity traveling to NATO countries to sell the war against Russia to NATO countries. Sacrificing his entire army of brave soldiers for the losing cause with the dumbest military leaders in history refusing to negotiate because they were blinded with hatred for Putin/Russia and counting a victory in the form of dead Russians and weakening Putin........AT THE EXPENSE OF DEAD UKRAINIANS AND LOST UKRAINE.
This is what I've been saying for over 3 years in hundreds of posts. The dynamics were clear from the get go if you looked at all the authentic facts and ignored the lies and propaganda.
Even Pope Francis saw this and called for Ukraine to "have the courage of the white flag" to do what was best for Ukraine. But we've been bombarded with lies from evil people on our side, who still have the same position that got us into this and are dominating the messaging here about rejecting Trump's peace plan.
How galactic-ally absurd they are. After 4 years of being the worst military leaders and decision makers in history. Getting most of Ukraine's army killed off and the war lost 2 years ago by every legit standard and really, never having a chance. And losing more land every day.............they want Ukraine to keep fighting to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldier's blood?
0% chance of winning now but we can't let Putin win????
It's a fight for democracy? Never mind the fight is completely over! Our side lost. We lost really, REALLY bad and are losing more every day...........but we have to keep fighting for democracy because...........well, the message gatekeepers tell us we do!!!
And they make it headline news when drones fly into Russia and do damage or a bunch of Russians get killed. See everybody! This is proof that Ukraine can win. Fight on, Ukraine you still have more brave soldiers left ( something like 25% of the original army) that can sacrifice their lives to kill Russians for NATO for months to come!!!
Never mind the battlefield that has been showing almost 100% Russian gains and near 0% Ukraine. Fight, fight, fight mindlessly until ALL the Ukrainian soldiers are dead and even more of Ukraine has been captured because that will result in the most dead Russians and maximize the time for NATO to weaken Putin, using Ukrainians lives and land to do it.
That's what this is all about for NATO, the ones strongly rejecting Trump's peace plan.
Putin proved what a diabolical man that he is but to me, NATO is just as bad.
Putin made it clear that NATO would never get Ukraine (the Motherland) and he is actually right that NATO's objective is to destroy Russia. It's much more than a defensive pact.
Instead of just agreeing to give up on getting Ukraine and that being the end of this, NATO, led by Biden made an intentional decision to fight a war with Russia/Putin over NATO getting Ukraine. This after provoking Russia for numerous years.
Making up such complete nonsense, that Putin was coming for the rest of Europe if we don't stop him here.
NATO captured the brain of Zelensky and thanks to him, they sacrificed Ukraines army and their country because NATO wants Ukraine and to destroy Russia. more than it cares about the human beings dying for NATOs cause.
If that wasn't so, and NATO actually cared about Ukrainians, they could have simply said" OK, we will agree with Putin to not make Ukraine part of NATO. But they did this instead and still won't capitulate because they don't have a problem with forcing Ukrainians to die for THEIR war with Russia.
Yes, NATO is very evil. What's interesting is their actions the past 4 years completely validates exactly what Putin has been saying about them. It doesn't justify this war, of course but in shows why Putin considers this as a war defending against his enemy, NATO. NATO is Russia's enemy for certain. However, NATO totally provoked this war, then was thrilled to fight it once they provoked it. And they still don't know when to quit after losing badly by every reasonable standard.
Trump does know when and how to quit. His peace plan is very reasonable. As a starting point for negotiations, at least.
Trump should have started the year this way and maybe we would have peace right now. One concern, in addition to NATO rejecting this is that the unpredictable, impulsive and dementia suffering Trump will have one of his pathological outbursts and suddenly mess it all up by turning it into another Trump circus instead of serious negotiations.
lets be hopeful. If this had succeeded early in the year, I would have been for Trump to win the Nobel peace prize.
“There is a fantasy that if we just give more money, more weapons, or more sanctions, victory is at hand,” the vice president posted on X on Saturday. “Peace won’t be made by failed diplomats or politicians living in a fantasy land. It might be made by smart people living in the real world.”
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That quote nails the most important point!
Ukraine could have gotten the deal they want now............4 years ago but Biden and NATO(and their puppet) completely rejected that one and very intentionally chose to fight an ALL OR NOTHING, winner get's all, loser get's nothing war.
NATO, Biden and Zelensky made their clear choice in late 2021/2022 and they doubled, tripled, quadrupled down with the worst military leadership in the history of the world.
It's year past time to dump their catastrophically ruinous strategies and leadership.
Trump's plan is the best there is IN THE REAL WORLD.
Pretending that Ukraine can still win or pretending they/we didn't do what we did and why we did it is NOT the real word.
Just look what they did to Ukraine with their choice of NOT negotiating in late 2021 and THEIR choice to fight this war instead. so that NATO could get Ukraine and NATO could weaken Russia.
We need to stop blaming only Russia.
They provoked Russia for years and Russia tried to negotiate. They refused to negotiate and Russia threatened a war because Putin was threatened by NATO's clear intentions to destroy Russia. They still refused and intentionally chose war over negotiations. NATO lost, Putin won.
That doesn't make Putin less evil or not responsible for his crimes but it does dump a huge pile of responsibility on NATO and us and the accountability for our/NATO/Bidens/puppets decisions which eventually will have to be reckoned with.
Now is reckoning time!
Like a losing trade that has bankrupted your trading account that you refused to liquidate for 4 years and now you have no money left.
Will the market/brokerage firm give you all your money back?
It was your continuous dumb decisions to not cover the trade! The real world is often brutal and doesn't always play political favorites or who the better people are. It usually rewards winners that make winning decisions and punishes losers that make catastrophically losing positions.
By NOT negotiating a settlement here, Ukraine will almost assuredly lose even more. Russia will lose more soldiers and capital but they will GAIN more land and in the end GET MORE LAND. That's the real world.
The most important decision in a trade and real world is often WHAT YOU DID LAST compared to what your options were at that time.
NATO has made the exact wrong decision on what they did last for 4 years. This can change that.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/23/politics/us-senators-rounds-rubio-ukraine-peace-plan
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Dugh!
It's what happens when one side WINS the war decidely and the other side is completely decimated in losing the war and the losing side refused to negotiate from the get go and instead, chose to have the war to decide on winner take all stakes.
What would have been the point of the war if the winner was expected to give everything back?
GET REAL!
Orrrrrr, don't get real and keep making it worse and worse for Ukraine out of denial, dishonestly and ignorance! Russia is in a position to keep doing that, of course, especially since Ukraine has lost most of its army from casualties and DESERTIONS because they know its NATO's war sending them on suicide missions.
And Puppet man sacrificed his people as the worst military leader in history and what is happening right now is exactly what makes it the worst. Zelensky is willing to kill off his army to the last drop of brave Ukrainian soldiers blood to serve his NATO master. No chance as in 0% to win or gain anything but just keep fighting AND DYING and insisting they should get everything back. MAKING his people fight and DIE in this losing, endless war.
Zelensky might not be the one that pulled the trigger on the guns or the bombs but make no mistake, Zelensky sent them on suicide missions for 4 years with no chance of winning. Insanely, after all this, our side, which includes a ton of people that were enriched by this war...........don't want to acknowledge the really bad loss or the REAL WORLD consequences.
I mentioned earlier that I was baffled why Trump, who insisted that he would end the war in 24 hours would not have had this plan from the get go?
He had many months to formulate it and insisted that he had the plan to do it quickly. Then he fell flat with no such plan. Then he went back and forth between a realistic plan recognizing Russia won the war, to suddenly flipping to claiming that Ukraine could win and get all their land back, then back to this.
I've studied this plan closely and like it. I've also been studying President Trump, his dementia and the way that he expresses himself and his continual lack of being able to comprehend so many basic things (like how tariffs damaging both sides-almost every economist agrees-its no brainer).
There is no way that this plan was President Trump's. NO WAY! He lacks the comprehension and ability to formulate coherent thoughts with such insight as those communicated in the plan. In every single realm he displays none of the same characteristics that suggest he authored this plan.
For sure somebody did it for him. Possibly it was almost all from Russia. Possibly somebody like Vance made contributions. Vance does have the cognitive ability to do complicated thinking and planning.
Years ago, I might have thought Trump could do this. Maybe.
But his rapidly advancing dementia is crippling his ability to use high level thinking. Crippling his ability to communicate. He's resorted to repeating himself constantly and saying completely insane, unhinged things.........even below the bar set previously by Donald Trump's rock bottom standards.
I still strongly support this peace agreement. Trump gives us 0 indication that he is the one that authored it. I don't hold out much hope for him personally to be a mediator between Russia and NATO(and their puppet).
The last time he made an attempt to get the 2 parties together he just looked completely clueless the entire time.
I still think that he's the only person that can end the war, even if its somebody else's viable peace plan he's using.
I really don't care if that person(s) are from Russia or from the Twilight Zone or the United States. Ukraine lost baldly and the only way for them to not KEEP losing MUCH MORE is to agree to a version of this plan. I am happy if Trump get's 100% credit for it because only the most powerful man in the world has any hope to sell this plan, even though he wrecked his credibility here by his erratic, contradictory flip flopping on this issue.
I'm still all for him getting the Nobel Peace Prize if he convinces the NATO puppet man to break free from NATO and for once, do something thats in the best interest of Ukrainians dying in this war, only to lose more and more because they keep getting forced to fight by Zelensky.
Putin said Friday that the U.S. proposal could serve as the basis of a negotiated resolution to what his government has refused to acknowledge as a war, but he warned that if Ukraine turned down the plan, Russian forces would remain on the attack, seizing yet more ground.
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And that's exactly what will happen. NATO and their puppet will then be causing even more deaths and losing even more land. When you get completely decimated in a war and are losing very badly, you don't get rewarded for what you intentionally fought the war over. You don't magically have things go back to before the war, after you refused to negotiate then and instead, made clear decisions to fight the war over.
Those are just words by me. I haven't show the facts for awhile and since most people have been bombarded by NATO's propaganda and lies for 4+ years, they probably don't know the facts:
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This sounds extremely promising
We could be on the verge of the Ukraine war ending and Donald Trump gets credit for it.
It's not a done deal yet.
Could be some problems???
The media, crystal clearly does NOT want peace in Ukraine(nor do most politicians and nobody in the arms business that controls them), especially if Donald Trump would get credit for it.
The past day+ there have been dozens of articles about how Ukraine accepted the peace plan without many changes. This was actually shocking to me considering previous stories and comments that emphatically stated things like "Russia should not be rewarded for their aggression"
Their statements were that now its all up to Russia because Ukraine has approved Russia's plan.
Then, last night on CNN they reported that Ukraine only accepted 19 o the 28 points in the peace plan.
OH, OH! That's a completely different story and I can see what's happening.
They want us to think that Ukraine approved the plan (WHEN THEY DIDN'T) and when Russia objects to the numerous things Ukraine DID NOT APPROVE, all media and political stories will be how Ukraine wants peace but Russia does not.
Hopefully this does not happen and we can finally get peace.
However, when Puppet man is getting so much backing from NATO/Europle and non Trump sources to keep fighting until he has completely killed off all his brave Ukrainian soldiers (some that are pretty scared, actually and have been forced to fight by Zelensky) his NATO-centric position is hard to change. Continuing to sacrifice his country and people for his NATO master.
A Stunning Leak Sheds Light on the Trump Admin’s Cozy Ties With Russia
It confirms that the 28-point Ukraine peace plan was largely a Kremlin product.
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As mentioned previously after analyzing the entire plan. No way this came from Donald Trump. He completely lacks the comprehension and analytical skills to come up with a detailed plan like this.
But that's probably why its such a great plan!
Did it come from Russia? Sure it did.
It shows that Russia WANTS PEACE!
Russia also had the peace plan in 2021 and 2022 BEFORE they invaded and what would have avoided this war and in retrospect, man does everybody wish that Biden/NATO and puppet had just agreed that NATO would not get Ukraine. .......which Russia insisted would NEVER happen.
Ukraine was on an inevitable track to join NATO. Putin said that will NEVER happen. No exceptions. Those idiots, completely rejected that 4 years ago after Russia had been provoked for decades and have pretending ever since that NATO and Biden couldn't have stopped it. I proved above that it could have been stopped with the authentic facts surrounding that relationship time frame.
Anyways, every year they refuse to Russia's terms, the worse it will get for Ukraine. The better it will be for the Military-Industrial-Political-Media complex and NATOs objective of weakening Russia but the WORSE it will be to the soldiers on both sides and the country of Ukraine.
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The media coverage on this is very sad propaganda. Now its even become worse because Trump has turned the media into his enemy, so they're intentionally painting a completely distorted picture to make Trump look bad and to try to sabotage peace. Clearly they don't want peace, other than if Russia agreed to give anything back which is delusional denial of the stone cold realities.
It's amazing how you can repeat really dumb things and collude with other gatekeepers that lie about the facts and convince most of a population to believe blatant nonsense. Even smart people!
February 12, 2025
https://apnews.com/article/nato-ukraine-us-hegseth-trump-russia-a3ca747b102cae6737436596444a32d0
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The defense secretary’s instructions, which were given before President Trump’s blowup with the Ukrainian president, are apparently part of an effort to draw Russia into talks on the war.
Mar 2, 2025
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/02/us/politics/hegseth-cyber-russia-trump-putin.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkaV6bD8rz0
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Daniel Driscoll has met with Ukrainian and Russian officials during a whirlwind of trips as the Trump administration pushes its latest proposal.
Asked why Mr. Driscoll, and not Mr. Hegseth or General Caine, was handling the negotiations, a Pentagon spokesman, Sean Parnell, said in an email that “the secretary has built an all-star team at the Department of War, and we are proud of our many accomplishments.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/26/us/politics/ukraine-russia-peace-talks-daniel-driscoll.html
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pete-hegseth-no-show-ukraine-190539698.html
One key figure is missing from the pack of top national security officials crisscrossing the globe to achieve a Ukraine peace deal: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.
But that sits fine with the White House, which is happy with his culture war attacks, made-for-TV images rallying the troops and online trolling of MAGA enemies.
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The Russian president spoke during a visit to Krygystan.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp84nl57v0lo
"If they don't withdraw, we'll achieve this by force of arms," he said.
Putin also dismissed warnings by European leaders that Russia could attack the European continent within the next decades. "That sounds laughable to us, really," he said.
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NATO: (my interpretation) Go ahead and kill EVERY Ukrainian! WE DON'T CARE! That's been crystal clear the past 4 years. As long as we have control of their puppet, Zelensky we we WILL FIGHT TO THE LAST DROP OF UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS BLOOD. We will do whatever kills the most Russians NOT what saves the most Ukrainians.
We should all be relieved that Trump completely flipped again, from his confrontational position 2 months ago, when he suddenly declared that Ukraine could win the war.
That position for a person with his completely unstable temperament (death penalty for Ds that tell soldiers they don't have to violate illegal laws from a truly deranged president), suffering from progressive dementia was the recipe for a nuclear war with Russia.
Trump is not likely to finish his term but he could leave 1 great achievement to offset all the negatives that tarnish his legacy.
Ending the war in Ukraine. I highly doubt Kamala could have done it, especially with that administration's fairy tale version of the battle field after Biden INTENTIONALLY got us into this war refusing to negotiate with Putin in 2021/22. Maybe not anybody else in the world could end this war.
The home of Andriy Yermak was searched Friday by investigators probing an alleged $100 million kickback scheme.
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Ukraine continues to be one of the most corrupt countries in the world with one of the most corrupt governments ini the world and the United States made it worse.
One of Joe Biden's jobs as VP was to fight this widespread corruption in Ukraine but instead, he became an OPPORTUNIST.
He sent his son, Hunter over there to exploit the corruption. Hunter. acted as an illegal foreign lobbyist that bribed officials and sold the influence of the corrupt Biden family to the tune of multi million dollars.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/111321/#111645
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When Trump blames Biden for the Ukraine war, people think its just another example of his delusional lies.
The fact is, the 3 people most responsible for the war are, in the correct order.
1. Putin
2. Biden
3. Zelensky
Biden had many months of opportunities to accept Putin's peace proposal in 2021 and 2022 BEFORE the war.
Putin: NO NATO and NO WAR.
Biden: NO DEAL. Ukraine is getting into NATO and we'll defeat you on the battlefield.
Zelensky: I will provide all the soldiers for NATO's war. Joe Biden has assured me that we will win with the assistance of the United States and their Military-Industrial Complex.
NATO: We will turn Zelensky into a celebrity, using his charisma as a professional actor and send him around to NATO countries to sell our war. He will be a famous war hero, fighting for freedom and democracy!
. Ukraine's military: But what about all his corruption? Why do we have do die for NATO???? .........................................................................
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............................Silence because the vast majority are casualties or desertions!
NATO: Ukraine still has some soldiers left to kill Russians! The war must continue until the last drop of Ukrainian soldiers blood has been extracted.
US Military-Industrial-political-media complex: Keep this war going longer. Profits, ratings and lobby bribes have been going thru the roof!
PUTIN: You chose to fight the NATO war to get Ukraine and got completely decimated. Time to pay the price. I’m not giving anything back! Just like the past 4 years with your horrible military leaders. The longer you refuse to face reality, the more Ukraine loses!